Scorpion grind... please hotfix this

Gilvoth

Natjur wrote: »

Once everyone sees its also one of the fast gold per hour as it is also the fastest exp per hour I wonder how long before groups of 12 V14 player camp it for just the gold and fights break out.

how they going to "fights break out" when craglorn is a non-pvp area?

daydreamer01

the vet progression route is horribly designed, you can't expect ppl to do hundreds of quests just to get to v10 , not to mention it also spoils the fun for alts,so grinding is a legitimate need,why does it matter that some of these grinding spots give much more exp?And i don't see how questing through a dozen more zones makes someone a better player,we already got enough practice leveling a character from 1-50, bad players will stay bad players, it's more about personality than skills and experience

NadiusMaximus

You guys are probably the ones that ground wolves in Crowwood. If people can do this, or resort to doing it, it's bad game design. That's it.

Gillysan

Personally this doesn't affect me one tiny bit. ZOS on the other hand they will likely have bored players cancel their subscriptions sooner than later because they beat the game. Design an easy game, and yes that does include investing time to meet goals, and bored people will leave for greener pastures.

Only frustrated people stick around because humans are that wierd.

Syntse

Gillysan wrote: »

Personally this doesn't affect me one tiny bit. ZOS on the other hand they will likely have bored players cancel their subscriptions sooner than later because they beat the game. Design an easy game, and yes that does include investing time to meet goals, and bored people will leave for greener pastures.

Only frustrated people stick around because humans are that wierd.

Personally, if someone likes to grind then grind away. However these people who race to the max level and then get bored can just look at themselves. No matter what ZOS adds these guys will be bored anyway unless it's no lvl max and good grind spots for them to grind lvls endlessly.

Like said they will be bored anyway. ZOS made game with beautiful graphics and much lore and story and quests. What did these guys do? Skip everything and grinded their way to the max.

Murmeltier

polar wrote: »

I am happy to see a way for folks to quickly get some XP. Does not hurt me one bit... as a matter of fact, it may help me having more people that can group at my level.

Yes, this People reaches faster the Vet14 Rank and the VET14 Players have more People to group up.

But the other People who wants to play the normal Way through Questing because they like the Game how it was intended to play, have less Players for the Quests and Dungeons to Group.

I think everyone knows how hard it is to find People for some Craglorn Dungeons. If less Players would exploit there Way up, so more Players would look for a Group.

Rylana

hiyde wrote: »

The issue isn't the grind.

The issue is not killing the adds and then jumping on the rock to reset them, causing the boss to respawn every 10 seconds and drop loot every 10 seconds.

The boss spawns every 5 minutes after being killed. It's nearly 40,000 xp with the adds every 5 minutes and an entire field of scorpions to kill between mobs.

But they don't drop boss loot every 10 seconds. And, you know, that would require actually moving your character and not pressing 1 button for hours and hours, racking up millions of XP and TONS of boss loot.

Best way to help until it's fixed? Show up and help kill everything that spawns, as was intended. That's, unquestionably, a fair grind.

And be prepared for a lot of abuse if you do, lol.

i like how youre a medium armor/bow nightblade trying to use impale for DPS.

its rather amusing, youre so terrible.

The obvious fix for you and people like you would be to pull the grind group off the rock when the big scorp spawns and watch it slaughter you, then clean up and continue as normal.

Id laugh.

timidobserver

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

To respond to the, "How does it affect your game" crowd:

It affects my game in a number of ways.

1. Cheating or exploiting is bad. I think we can all agree on that. When one cheats or exploits bugs in the game, they are contributing to a negative behavior.
2. As pointed out, I have to play with these people. If they aren't used to actually doing their job in groups, I suffer directly.
3. One might as well ask, "How does it affect you if Jenny McCarthy gets paid to talk about vaccines while people with years of medical training are ignored?" It affects us all quite a bit, even though we can all ignore what she says.

And by the way, killing the smaller scorpions as is clearly intended by the designers isn't messing with anyone. It's playing the game. It's like when people would whine about actual questing going on in the Thief area. You don't get to whine when someone makes a mob respawn correctly.

I don't really care what people do because I only do trials with my guild or friends. That means I won't have to play with these people. Sure, I'd be fine with it being hotfixed, but I am not going to waste my time trolling them by sitting there all day killing it and trying to explain that it wasn't actually trolling but some kind of vigilantism.

Murmeltier

For the first People, it is an Exploit. You can call it Cheat, the wrong Way or whatever. These are only Words, the Idea behind it is the same, you betray.

I know that hits hard, because you Exploiters want to stay at VR14 and get the real *cheer* from the crowd, but your Character wears a little Sign, *I am a Exploiter, i cant/want do this like others do, so i exploit*.

No Fame, no Honour because you cant withstand the false Way, and try to say:* Hey Man, i am cool and smart because i found a Way that is faster and the others are *****, or Zenimax forces us to do this, or if you dont want to go this Way, why you dont let the People do their own Way of "Leveling"*?

I really want that Players who grind their Way up, wear a Sign like a Priceshield with Words: *->Exploit Grinder<-*, i am sure all the "tough" & "smart" Ones (You know what this Sign means ->"<- ?) arent "brave" enough to show that they have exploited their Way up.

Why? Because, you Exploit . You try to speak this cool but it is an easy Way to earn something that others work "hard" for. You want the Fame, the Respect then respect the Way that the most of us go, the true one that this Game really offers.

Through Questing and if you want to grind then do Anomalies or whatever except resetting Mobs through using Spots they cant reach for an Example.

*But why you are so negative Mr Murmeltier, why you cant let do the Exploiters (I know you dont like it, that i call it so Mr Pseudohero ) do there own Thing, it dont hurts anyone?*

Why? Oh only one good Example (I have other good ones too ). If you look into the Gaming-Chat you see often LFG HIRCINDES GRIND GROUP, *****K EXP IN A HOUR, or LFG FOR SHADOW GRIND GROUP etc etc. You can see this under Level 50 too.

All this People who dont Level up through Questing are not available for the Dungeons, the hard Places. Not every Players plays a profi Build that he has from the I-Net Sites (Not created self, no Sir, because he has no Ideas, thats the new I-Net Generation), some try to play own Ideas from Builds and cant do all alone.

These Players search a Group but it cost definitley more Time to find some People, because more and more Players choose the easy Exploits.

This Example only, is clearly enough to sweep away all of this, *Oh my dear, it dont hurt anyone Thing*. I could give others but i am bored now, no really Competion in the Arguements for the + of Exploits, the Thematic for a legal Scene of Exploiting Members, is completley destroyed with only one Arguement.

So go to the Entrance to the real Kingdom of real virtual Heroes and ask for your Priceshield, the one with the Exploiter Words.

I am not really angry, more motivated to write this, to respect the real Players and i feel really really good now , thank you for the reading. I dont answer any Arguements against this, sure you can offer your Line of Sight but if i dont answer, it hasnt enough Skill or Realism for me, in it.

You want to be respected in the Game, you want to be a virtual Hero and a Part of the Soul of the real Game-Community of The Elder Scrolls Online, than accept the Rules and respect the Players which play the right Way, to Support the Game and Community.

R1ckyDaMan

I have killed said scorpion before, along with the adds, never knew it was possible to bug the spawn.

From what I could see it was not part of any quest step though...

After completing cadwells silver/gold on one character it is fully understandable why people look for other ways to level alts.

Spectrasoul

ITT: Many butthurt elitists.

Let me make one thing absolutely clear: In no way does grinding a few vet levels somehow make you a total novice at your class.

Judging by OP's sig, he's already got his own band of elitist pr*cks to do the group content with so why he's making out like he would ever join a PUG is beyond me.. If people make mistakes or are doing something wrong, you can offer them advice and it's up to them if they take it or not. Whining about someone being "terribad" just makes you sound like an absolute ass and would get you kicked from any group I'm in much faster than someone who makes a mistake.

Mistakes are human, so is finding ways to complete a task in the easiest way. It's called ingenuity. I did most of Cadwel's Gold before the Vet zone nerf, did I cry about it? No, I didn't even think about it. It made little as no difference to me whatsoever.

To OP and his cronies: Get your fat heads out of your fat asses (if your ego will fit) grow the hell up and stop acting like the spoiled brats you are.

Asgari

If a player beats all of cadwells quests on one char. Why shouldn't you be allowed to grind the other chars. You surely can't expect everyone to want to do the same quests over and over.

I see nothing wrong with this besides the loot aspect. Xp wise it's fine by me.

WraithAzraiel

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

Natjur wrote: »

Once everyone sees its also one of the fast gold per hour as it is also the fastest exp per hour I wonder how long before groups of 12 V14 player camp it for just the gold and fights break out.

how they going to "fights break out" when craglorn is a non-pvp area?

Haterade will be spilt by the gallon.

Kego

It needs a Hotfix ASAP.
@Zos_abigailt

tengri

Ppl running around acting holier than the pope telling others how they need to stop grinding/playing their preferred way need a hotfix A LOT MORE...

PBpsy

Murmeltier wrote: »

For the first People, it is an Exploit. You can call it Cheat, the wrong Way or whatever. These are only Words, the Idea behind it is the same, you betray.

I know that hits hard, because you Exploiters want to stay at VR14 and get the real *cheer* from the crowd, but your Character wears a little Sign, *I am a Exploiter, i cant/want do this like others do, so i exploit*.

No Fame, no Honour because you cant withstand the false Way, and try to say:* Hey Man, i am cool and smart because i found a Way that is faster and the others are *****, or Zenimax forces us to do this, or if you dont want to go this Way, why you dont let the People do their own Way of "Leveling"*?

I really want that Players who grind their Way up, wear a Sign like a Priceshield with Words: *->Exploit Grinder<-*, i am sure all the "tough" & "smart" Ones (You know what this Sign means ->"<- ?) arent "brave" enough to show that they have exploited their Way up.

Why? Because, you Exploit . You try to speak this cool but it is an easy Way to earn something that others work "hard" for. You want the Fame, the Respect then respect the Way that the most of us go, the true one that this Game really offers.

Through Questing and if you want to grind then do Anomalies or whatever except resetting Mobs through using Spots they cant reach for an Example.

*But why you are so negative Mr Murmeltier, why you cant let do the Exploiters (I know you dont like it, that i call it so Mr Pseudohero ) do there own Thing, it dont hurts anyone?*

Why? Oh only one good Example (I have other good ones too ). If you look into the Gaming-Chat you see often LFG HIRCINDES GRIND GROUP, *****K EXP IN A HOUR, or LFG FOR SHADOW GRIND GROUP etc etc. You can see this under Level 50 too.

All this People who dont Level up through Questing are not available for the Dungeons, the hard Places. Not every Players plays a profi Build that he has from the I-Net Sites (Not created self, no Sir, because he has no Ideas, thats the new I-Net Generation), some try to play own Ideas from Builds and cant do all alone.

These Players search a Group but it cost definitley more Time to find some People, because more and more Players choose the easy Exploits.

This Example only, is clearly enough to sweep away all of this, *Oh my dear, it dont hurt anyone Thing*. I could give others but i am bored now, no really Competion in the Arguements for the + of Exploits, the Thematic for a legal Scene of Exploiting Members, is completley destroyed with only one Arguement.

So go to the Entrance to the real Kingdom of real virtual Heroes and ask for your Priceshield, the one with the Exploiter Words.

I am not really angry, more motivated to write this, to respect the real Players and i feel really really good now , thank you for the reading. I dont answer any Arguements against this, sure you can offer your Line of Sight but if i dont answer, it hasnt enough Skill or Realism for me, in it.

You want to be respected in the Game, you want to be a virtual Hero and a Part of the Soul of the real Game-Community of The Elder Scrolls Online, than accept the Rules and respect the Players which play the right Way, to Support the Game and Community.

Fame ......? Honor......? Respect......? Real Virtual Heroes.....? Derp...........?

Yes man we all play this game exactly for that, fame ,honor and the respect in of other players.

WraithAzraiel

Also the random capitalizing of the first letter of random words is OUTSTANDINGLY distracting.

So much so that I instantly started piecing those letters together to see if they spelled some sort of secret code.

Tenret

Lets say one thing
in his day before discovering the anomalies, with my stamina, medium armor,bow, nb at VR9 I was ready to leave the game

probably without hircine I will not had lvl up the toon to VR14 because Im not interested in PVE at all

So the way I see it grind must be an option given the fact that XP in PVP is just pathetic

but the scorpion...this is fun...there must be people accumulating millions of XP for the championship system...a sucess, no doubt...

kewl

zbtiqua wrote: »

But the other People who wants to play the normal Way.

LOL!

kewl

Kego wrote: »

It needs a Hotfix ASAP.

<sarcasm>
THIS is what needs immediate hoxfixing! Not the XP bug or Shadow Cloak or any number of other game breaking issues, THIS takes priority!
</sarcasm>

Rune_Relic

heyguyslol wrote: »

zbtiqua wrote: »

It is so out of control... see SS

And how is this hurting your gaming experience in eso?

polar wrote: »

Yea, I see no problem with this. So people want a way to get to VR14 without doing step by step through Cadwell's Silver and Gold. ..who cares? Pick your battles. If anything, I am a twinge jealous.. I wish I had such a smooth grind to get VR14.. but alas, I am already there.

I am happy to see a way for folks to quickly get some XP. Does not hurt me one bit... as a matter of fact, it may help me having more people that can group at my level.

I appreciate the point people need to progress...but really.
If this is OK..lets not mess around anymore... just give me a VR14 button on my screen...thanks zos.

R1ckyDaMan

You still need to spend time doing it, its not an instant vr 14.

They pay a sub too, but I guess your sub means more huh?

But to be constructive:

Maybe they have hours upon hours in pvp on that char, maybe pvp is all they are interested in.

In no way are they going to have any negative effect on you and your trials, I grinded an alt to vr7 so far (not using this though) purely for pvp purposes.

I would not touch a trial if you paid me to do it.

Kego

They are exploiting the game mechanics. If I would be ZOS, every one using it would get a 2 week ban and a perma ban if used ever again.

hiyde

R1ckyDaMan wrote: »

You still need to spend time doing it, its not an instant vr 14.

They pay a sub too, but I guess your sub means more huh?

Yeah @Rune_Relic‌, you're being silly. There is tons of time and effort being put into standing on that rock pressing one button and resetting adds to force insta-respawn of the boss.

At 4 kills a minute, that's a measly 8.8 Million XP per hour. (granted a big group can kill faster). That might be high, though. If you are leaving to empty your full bags every 10 or 15 minutes you'll definitely progress a tad slower. Maybe only 6 Million XP/hour.

david271749

hiyde wrote: »

R1ckyDaMan wrote: »

You still need to spend time doing it, its not an instant vr 14.

They pay a sub too, but I guess your sub means more huh?

Yeah @Rune_Relic‌, you're being silly. There is tons of time and effort being put into standing on that rock pressing one button and resetting adds to force insta-respawn of the boss.

At 4 kills a minute, that's a measly 8.8 Million XP per hour. (granted a big group can kill faster). That might be high, though. If you are leaving to empty your full bags every 10 or 15 minutes you'll definitely progress a tad slower. Maybe only 6 Million XP/hour.

Anyone pressing just one button isn't really helping the grind. Shows how skilled you are. By the way, it was hilarious watching you die six times before you finally took out the adds the other day. I thought being VR 14 without grinding would make you a skilled player, but apparently not. Maybe there's a reason you think other people have it easier than you. They actually do, because they have half a brain cell to know to use more than one button. Also, it seems you've done some botting and exploiting in the past. Pot, meet kettle.

hiyde

david271749 wrote: »

hiyde wrote: »

R1ckyDaMan wrote: »

You still need to spend time doing it, its not an instant vr 14.

They pay a sub too, but I guess your sub means more huh?

Yeah @Rune_Relic‌, you're being silly. There is tons of time and effort being put into standing on that rock pressing one button and resetting adds to force insta-respawn of the boss.

At 4 kills a minute, that's a measly 8.8 Million XP per hour. (granted a big group can kill faster). That might be high, though. If you are leaving to empty your full bags every 10 or 15 minutes you'll definitely progress a tad slower. Maybe only 6 Million XP/hour.

Anyone pressing just one button isn't really helping the grind. Shows how skilled you are. By the way, it was hilarious watching you die six times before you finally took out the adds the other day. I thought being VR 14 without grinding would make you a skilled player, but apparently not. Maybe there's a reason you think other people have it easier than you. They actually do, because they have half a brain cell to know to use more than one button. Also, it seems you've done some botting and exploiting in the past. Pot, meet kettle.

Aww, that's cute. But you have me confused with someone else. I rarely die despite the best efforts of others to try to make that happen (those people actually die quite a bit though).

And no, I've never exploited in the past. Or botted. Care to back that up?

Amazing how cranky people get when one refuses to exploit, though.

grimsfield

Mods need to respond to this. This is clearly an exploit. The fact that it hasn't been patched already is ridiculous. And the fact that the Mods haven't said anything shows pretty clear neglect.

david271749

hiyde wrote: »

david271749 wrote: »

hiyde wrote: »

R1ckyDaMan wrote: »

You still need to spend time doing it, its not an instant vr 14.

They pay a sub too, but I guess your sub means more huh?

Yeah @Rune_Relic‌, you're being silly. There is tons of time and effort being put into standing on that rock pressing one button and resetting adds to force insta-respawn of the boss.

At 4 kills a minute, that's a measly 8.8 Million XP per hour. (granted a big group can kill faster). That might be high, though. If you are leaving to empty your full bags every 10 or 15 minutes you'll definitely progress a tad slower. Maybe only 6 Million XP/hour.

Anyone pressing just one button isn't really helping the grind. Shows how skilled you are. By the way, it was hilarious watching you die six times before you finally took out the adds the other day. I thought being VR 14 without grinding would make you a skilled player, but apparently not. Maybe there's a reason you think other people have it easier than you. They actually do, because they have half a brain cell to know to use more than one button. Also, it seems you've done some botting and exploiting in the past. Pot, meet kettle.

Aww, that's cute. But you have me confused with someone else. I rarely die despite the best efforts of others to try to make that happen (those people actually die quite a bit though).

And no, I've never exploited in the past. Or botted. Care to back that up?

Amazing how cranky people get when one refuses to exploit, though.

Just look at you pleading to be unbanned after botting in your discussions. I'm not confused about how terribly skilled you are though. I see a few people in this thread noticed as well. How are you any better than a pug dungeon troll who ruins a 4 man run? Let people play the way they want, and you go play your way. On a side note, what's up with all your guilds using an acronym of BBC? Is there something you're not telling us?

Syntse

grimsfield wrote: »

Mods need to respond to this. This is clearly an exploit. The fact that it hasn't been patched already is ridiculous. And the fact that the Mods haven't said anything shows pretty clear neglect.

Because the lovely moderator ladies of this forums are the ones to fix exploits. How many of you in this thread have actually reported this exploit through the proper means?

Hint: Forum is not proper way of reporting bugs, cheaters, exploits.

david271749

grimsfield wrote: »

Mods need to respond to this. This is clearly an exploit. The fact that it hasn't been patched already is ridiculous. And the fact that the Mods haven't said anything shows pretty clear neglect.

No scheduled maintenance at all this week, despite all the whine threads, tells me this is working as intended.