Confirmed - No Thieves guild and DB until 1 full year after launch.

dodgehopper_ESO

It doesn't bother me. Dawnguard didn't come out immediately for Skyrim either. That didn't bother me. Dawnguard was one of the best things about that game, and so was Dragonborn. I agree more functionality is interesting, but it doesn't bother me that it will take them some time to implement, and frankly I'd much rather see this Spellcrafting and Champion system come out first, before Thieves and Dark Brotherhood. I'd also like to see them flesh out Undaunted and Fighters Guild more, for those heroic warriors among us.

I realize that Thieves Guild and Assassins Guilds were major parts in the last Three TES games, but that doesn't mean they need to be here immediately in an mmo. Give it time. I for one am just happy they're working on it, and the multitude of other projects they have going. I realize that playing in these guilds is a big part of what a lot of players want, so please don't misunderstand. I just think that Champion/Spellcrafting systems will by far be better for the populace as a whole by making gameplay a lot more like the TES games we knew and loved before.

Tyr

lordrichter wrote: »

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Varicite wrote: »

There has been absolutely no source stating that Thieves Guild / DB will have to wait until after the Justice system is introduced. It stands to reason that the Justice system would probably be introduced alongside the Thieves Guild, as that would make the most sense.

Paul Sage has speculated that they will come out separately. Emphasis is mine.

"My prediction is we’ll probably get the Justice System in before we get the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood in, just because we want that system to be fully fleshed out and players used to the system before they have to use it."

ign.com/articles/2014/05/22/the-elder-scrolls-online-should-still-hit-consoles-this-year

Despite the fact that this thread is titled with the word "confirmed" and the OP has insisted that all of this is not speculation, both factually incorrect, he is probably close to the truth.

Come on guys, really?
I already posted this before.
Gina confirmed it here:
http://ds.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/2fabxf/i_talked_to_some_of_the_devs_at_pax/

In fact this was the final piece where i can state confirmed with confidence on this.
Paul's Prediction and Gina's confirmation makes this solid.
NO Thieves guild/DB until Spring or beyond. Those are the facts.

Stx

Apparently the number of employees they have working on stuff is very small.

Which is weird, because this game has a sub fee and it is supposed to be "AAA".

Tyr

Stx wrote: »

Apparently the number of employees they have working on stuff is very small.

Which is weird, because this game has a sub fee and it is supposed to be "AAA".

It's not that small. It's bigger than bethesda but not as big as bioware.
They were over 500 at launch and layed off over 150 CS employees in europe plus some more recently to put them back at the 150-200 core devs they had before the ramp up to launch.

They probably have about 100 devs with the rest in customer service, administration, customer service, management, etc...

morvegil

So NB's will be gimped until then.

pantaro30

from many years of experience playing mmos,if I'm paying a sub I'm all for them taking their time and doing things right the first time.I have no problem waiting long as they do ESO and Elder scrolls as a whole justice!

We have enough mmo's with half assed content,rushing content is not gonna do eso any favors

daneyulebub17_ESO

Tyr wrote: »

Come on guys, really?
I already posted this before.
Gina confirmed it here:
http://ds.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/2fabxf/i_talked_to_some_of_the_devs_at_pax/

In fact this was the final piece where i can state confirmed with confidence on this.
Paul's Prediction and Gina's confirmation makes this solid.
NO Thieves guild/DB until Spring or beyond. Those are the facts.

Come on guys????

You post something and wait until the 2nd page to put any citation in showing what you're basing your comment on, and we're the ones that should "come on"?

And "I already posted this before"? Really? I'm sorry--do you have subscribers or something???? Or do you expect everyone to just search for your wisdom among the hundreds of posts here?

How about this pro trick: Try putting attribution info in the initial post when you make an assertion of something being "confirmed" instead of making people have to ask.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO

sean.plackerb14_ESO wrote: »

There has been new content. Lower Craglorn, Veteran Crypt of Hearts dungeon, Upper Craglorn, Veteran City of ash dungeon, and Dragonstar arena.

Not to bad for 4 updates.

All targeted at the small minority of 'raiders' (or as near as this game gets) .. for the 'rest of us' there has been no new world content at all.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

sean.plackerb14_ESO wrote: »

There has been new content. Lower Craglorn, Veteran Crypt of Hearts dungeon, Upper Craglorn, Veteran City of ash dungeon, and Dragonstar arena.

Not to bad for 4 updates.

new pve content, in a game where endgame is supposed to be pvp and many of us started playing because of that.

Zorrashi

I would be quite disappointed if we got the thieves' guild and dark brotherhood at day one. It would be better if they left something for us to stick around for than release it early and have us all moan about how buggy/faulty it is in addition to various other botched aspects of the game (i.e class balance, lag in cyrodil).

If they do the skill lines right, the quest lines passable and the overall representation worthy of praise, then I will be fine. No matter how long the wait.

c0rp

I would much prefer the current game to be FIXED before the addition of these game changing systems. I have no problem waiting for them.

liquid_wolf

The timeline makes sense... Oct/Nov/Dec and no word on the Justice System... which has to be implemented before Thieves and Dark Brotherhood.

And after an update or two of testing/implementation... then they would implement the next two guilds.

But nothing in the post says confirmed. Where is the confirmed?

lathbury

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sean.plackerb14_ESO wrote: »

There has been new content. Lower Craglorn, Veteran Crypt of Hearts dungeon, Upper Craglorn, Veteran City of ash dungeon, and Dragonstar arena.

Not to bad for 4 updates.

new pve content, in a game where endgame is supposed to be pvp and many of us started playing because of that.

Says who? I'm pretty sure they intend there to be endgame for both groups. The fact they are developing content for pve and pvp supports this.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

Can someone confirm we are getting IC in 1.5? That is what I have heard.

Lag

I'm more interested to see if a community holds. Sure you'll have people still playing but I'm curious to see how many subs will drop between now and when the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood launch.

Badea

sean.plackerb14_ESO wrote: »

I know it sucks that these things are further out. I'm extremely excited about the justice system my self. But keep in mind different people/teams work on different things. Just because work is being done on say the new FaceFX system, doesn't mean its taking away from people working on justice system or the other features you mentioned.

This comes out in EVERY discussion of this sort and it's the biggest fallacy out there. Yes, there are different teams working different requirement/systems, but the company decides what resources go against what programs. And, the current distribution of resources need not be what they are. They could prioritize the promised systems (by adding additional resources) over something else, so in effect, yes they are taking away from the justice system.

theroyalestpythonnub18_ESO

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Can someone confirm we are getting IC in 1.5? That is what I have heard.

I think we're getting IC in update 6. Update 5 should be facefx and CoA.

Enaijo

Here, official and confirmed: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/comment/1275463/#Comment_1275463

Imperial City, Championsystem, Justicesystem and Spellweaving, it's all coming 2014 and this is f****** awesome! And it leaves much room for thieves guild and dark brotherhood before the 1 year anniversary.

xaraan

January isn't that bad IMO. October we have City of Ash 1.5 update, that leaves only Nov/Dec for another one or two updates. With everything we saw at the presentation they did last month I'm looking forward to all the various content (most actually more than the justice system and thieves guild personally). I wouldn't be surprised if they had one of the new zones on the fast track since they will be solo zones and they haven't put out much new solo content since launch. I think that is what is most sorely needed in the near future. I'd also think people are just as excited for Imp City as TG/DB, so that might be soon as well.

Kego

Tyr wrote: »

Except they have come out to say what is coming in 1.5

My assumption:

1.5 in October is:
- City of Ash Vet. Dungeon
- Stamina balancing
- FaceFx

1.6 in November is:
- Imperial City
- Champ System Phase 2 (VP to XP)

1.7 in January is:
- Champion System

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

new pve content, in a game where endgame is supposed to be pvp and many of us started playing because of that.

As Pvp Player I don't need much of new content. The Imperial City is a nice addition for the reason to hold keeps. But else? No, thanks. I came here for Cyrodiil and I hope, there will never ever be any kind of Instanced Shooter PvP Maps.

BloodStorm

They are releasing dark brotherhood with Ps4, which means console version will be coming out around June probably. Hopefully sooner. On the bright side I can save for a 80 inch 3000$ TV. Haha.

Tyr

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Tyr wrote: »

Except they have come out to say what is coming in 1.5

My assumption:

1.5 in October is:
- City of Ash Vet. Dungeon
- Stamina balancing
- FaceFx

1.6 in November is:
- Imperial City
- Champ System Phase 2 (VP to XP)

1.7 in January is:
- Champion System

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smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

new pve content, in a game where endgame is supposed to be pvp and many of us started playing because of that.

As Pvp Player I don't need much of new content. The Imperial City is a nice addition for the reason to hold keeps. But else? No, thanks. I came here for Cyrodiil and I hope, there will never ever be any kind of Instanced Shooter PvP Maps.

Justice system is also scheduled to come out with Champ system in 1.7.

So Imperial City will actually be PvE content added inside of cyrodiil. So there is always the PvP element but you will probably be able to do PvE without much inerruption if you do it when your faction owns access to the city. you can think about it just like the towns that have the daily quest hubs in cyrodiil only this is a city-sized version of that.

I think it's gonna be lots of fun for PvE players too(like myself) as long as you don't get upset by gankers.

Tyr

DagothMacellarius wrote: »

They are releasing dark brotherhood with Ps4, which means console version will be coming out around June probably. Hopefully sooner. On the bright side I can save for a 80 inch 3000$ TV. Haha.

We have new info about console release? got source? link please

Sindala

Tyr wrote: »

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DagothMacellarius wrote: »

They are releasing dark brotherhood with Ps4, which means console version will be coming out around June probably. Hopefully sooner. On the bright side I can save for a 80 inch 3000$ TV. Haha.

We have new info about console release? got source? link please

Nope, same as the rest of this thread. Pure speculation and guesswork.

Elsonso

Tyr wrote: »

Justice system is also scheduled to come out with Champ system in 1.7.

Interesting.

How do you reconcile the conflict between your schedule for ESO and this statement that was made Wednesday:

ZOS_KaiSchober wrote: »

Alle Punkte sollen noch dieses Jahr ins Spiel kommen. Die exakten Zeitpunkte oder Versionsnummern können wir aber noch nicht sagen.

I am thinking that only one of you can be right since you said earlier that 1.7 was in January.

Edit: Update to the quoted comment.

ZOS_KaiSchober wrote: »

Dies sind Punkte, die wir bis zum Ende des Jahres und darüber hinaus angehen wollen. Die exakten Zeitpunkte oder Versionsnummern können wir aber noch nicht sagen.


/edit: Ich musste mich selbst verbessern.

rophez_ESO

lordrichter wrote: »

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Tyr wrote: »

Justice system is also scheduled to come out with Champ system in 1.7.

Interesting.

How do you reconcile the conflict between your schedule for ESO and this statement that was made Wednesday:

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ZOS_KaiSchober wrote: »

Alle Punkte sollen noch dieses Jahr ins Spiel kommen. Die exakten Zeitpunkte oder Versionsnummern können wir aber noch nicht sagen.

I am thinking that only one of you can be right since you said earlier that 1.7 was in January.

Yes, I would guess that Kai Schober knows better than random forum guy. I hope Kai is right and we get all/most of those updates in the next 3 months.

LunaRae

All I got from this is champion system and spellcrafting before the guilds... honestly that makes me hyped. ESO makes my hyped.

Tyr

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lordrichter wrote: »

Tyr wrote: »

Justice system is also scheduled to come out with Champ system in 1.7.

Interesting.

How do you reconcile the conflict between your schedule for ESO and this statement that was made Wednesday:

ZOS_KaiSchober wrote: »

Alle Punkte sollen noch dieses Jahr ins Spiel kommen. Die exakten Zeitpunkte oder Versionsnummern können wir aber noch nicht sagen.

I am thinking that only one of you can be right since you said earlier that 1.7 was in January.

Yes, I would guess that Kai Schober knows better than random forum guy. I hope Kai is right and we get all/most of those updates in the next 3 months.

Nope. All of us, paul Sage, kai, and I, excluding you are correct.
you just have reading comprehension problems.

Even if I hadn't linked the order of release from Paul Sage in the Road Ahead article and quotes stating that Imperial city wouldn't be in 1.5(pushing it to December or later), in the updated quote from Kai he says "...this year and BEYOND...: which is exactly what Paul sage said.

Tyr

LunaRae wrote: »

All I got from this is champion system and spellcrafting before the guilds... honestly that makes me hyped. ESO makes my hyped.

Well yeah those are great of course

Tyr

rophez_ESO wrote: »

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lordrichter wrote: »

Tyr wrote: »

Justice system is also scheduled to come out with Champ system in 1.7.

Interesting.

How do you reconcile the conflict between your schedule for ESO and this statement that was made Wednesday:

ZOS_KaiSchober wrote: »

Alle Punkte sollen noch dieses Jahr ins Spiel kommen. Die exakten Zeitpunkte oder Versionsnummern können wir aber noch nicht sagen.

I am thinking that only one of you can be right since you said earlier that 1.7 was in January.

Yes, I would guess that Kai Schober knows better than random forum guy. I hope Kai is right and we get all/most of those updates in the next 3 months.

If kai is right, we will get some of these features beyond this year.