Low pop score bonus making PVP participation irrelevant?

dcincali

Luvsfuzzybunnies wrote: »

dcincali wrote: »

Thechemicals wrote: »

Thechemicals wrote: »

I think Ep is winning. Dc is just getting a bonus so that they arent completely shut out during off hours. Anyone else with a brain see this?

nice wall of text but this is it in a nutshell

When zone talk is about "Hey lets go back to Chill to keep the low pop bonus" There is a problem. Kinda like the healing springs disconnects.. But it's just happening and we don't know why right?? Right??

I've never seen this chat in zone on Thornblade but if you wanna say so.

I've never seen it talked about either.

bitaken

DC 2 bars - AD and EP Pop locked. All night tonight. I had a blast - won some good fights - lost some good fights.

It's a fun game when you play for fun and with friends.

I never saw that quote in zone chat - and would scoff at the person who said it.

I just enjoy the fact that there is so much Whinging going on about it

Luvsfuzzybunnies

dcincali wrote: »

Luvsfuzzybunnies wrote: »

dcincali wrote: »

Thechemicals wrote: »

Thechemicals wrote: »

I think Ep is winning. Dc is just getting a bonus so that they arent completely shut out during off hours. Anyone else with a brain see this?

nice wall of text but this is it in a nutshell

When zone talk is about "Hey lets go back to Chill to keep the low pop bonus" There is a problem. Kinda like the healing springs disconnects.. But it's just happening and we don't know why right?? Right??

I've never seen this chat in zone on Thornblade but if you wanna say so.

I've never seen it talked about either.

You got me the one idiot who said it and I wasn't there for it or was actually fighting instead of talking in zone which I've been known to do on occasion. Some people, like the guy in your ss, don't like to pvp obviously. All they can do is pvdoor or have a zerg fest. I enjoy being the underdog and don't mind if we don't win the campaign personally. If I did I would try to coordinate keep takes which I've also been known to do but I'd rather gank and disrupt enemy keep takes by cutting off reinforcements and hunting forward camps with the 3 other guys I run a gank group with. We've had a lot of fun busting up red and yellow zergs recently. 3-4 v 8-infinite is way more fun for me than 900v1like a lot of people seem to like around here.

Luvsfuzzybunnies

Malveria wrote: »

KellanKell wrote: »

Malveria wrote: »

Can we address this please?

I feel there is some hypocrisy here considering you are using the "local campaign" scoreboard instead of your home campaign. Please tell us which "buff" server you are using? I mean you could always retake it showing home campaign on the top corner but that would cost you three days of buffs!

What kind of a bull, ad hominem argument is this? What does it matter what campaign the poster is homed on when they're addressing a broken system? And don't say 'Oh you didn't say so it's clearly Haderus', because that's still ad hominem, and still pointless. It shouldn't matter what my home is to anyone who is taking this issue seriously. And if you are still hyucking over your oh so intelligent post, I'm homed on Chillrend.

Luvsfuzzybunnies wrote: »

The issue is we just don't have the numbers you guys do. We do log in and pvp quite often were sorry you picked the fullest faction but we can't make you play dc. If you do not like it help spread the population but please no bads.

You have huge population on Chillrend, and it's not a coincidence that DC population on Thorn goes from locked to medium/high right when DC on Chillrend goes from medium to locked population. This is rewarding people who move to other, dead servers, because when their points get high enough on Thornblade, they just flood back in from Chillrend and hold a lead that they did not earn.

Thechemicals wrote: »

I think Ep is winning. Dc is just getting a bonus so that they arent completely shut out during off hours. Anyone else with a brain see this?

DC is winning in points because of their low population. No faction should beat other factions in point gain because of their low population. The game should not punish factions that do maintain population, and are able to stay on one server, whilst another faction is locked on a dead server.

So you're saying they should remove dc as a faction and only have 2 factions to fight essentially? I mean why would low pop faction ever pvp if there was no bonus or incentive to. If you want actual RvR then there has to be some kind of bonus for the underdog to walk into a fight where a hugely saturated zergy alliance has all the bonuses and rofl stomps all small group play with a pop locked style zerg.

Edit: do you remember auriels bow back in the day? It was fun then ad went pop lock vs 1 bar of each other color each day and killed a server cause there was no reason to fight it just like it seems chill is now. The big difference is that on the largely unbalanced population servers dc isn't just laying down and taking their beating. They are holding on and clawing to keep what they have and have taken.

Malveria

Luvsfuzzybunnies wrote: »

So you're saying they should remove dc as a faction and only have 2 factions to fight essentially? I mean why would low pop faction ever pvp if there was no bonus or incentive to. If you want actual RvR then there has to be some kind of bonus for the underdog to walk into a fight where a hugely saturated zergy alliance has all the bonuses and rofl stomps all small group play with a pop locked style zerg.

That's not what I'm saying at all.

You have a significant population on other servers. Get them to move. You have the pop. Don't expect to be hand-held because they hang out on another server.

Luvsfuzzybunnies

Malveria wrote: »

Luvsfuzzybunnies wrote: »

So you're saying they should remove dc as a faction and only have 2 factions to fight essentially? I mean why would low pop faction ever pvp if there was no bonus or incentive to. If you want actual RvR then there has to be some kind of bonus for the underdog to walk into a fight where a hugely saturated zergy alliance has all the bonuses and rofl stomps all small group play with a pop locked style zerg.

That's not what I'm saying at all.

You have a significant population on other servers. Get them to move. You have the pop. Don't expect to be hand-held because they hang out on another server.

Except we don't have population to lock all servers like ad does. So Moving People from their home campaigns causes imbalances on other campaigns. You don't seem to want a healthy pvp experience you wanna just come in with your pop lock and annihilate everyone by attrition. Or you would.realize that making everyone go to one server degrades your pvp experience or would since there are limits to the number of people who can join each campaign. So now all blue fights on 1 server and you're left to pvdoor or wait in a 4 hour queue to get on a competitive server. I guess then you would still be winning 3 of the 5 campaigns and be happy again though.

Rune_Relic

So as the population bonus update is so slow/lagged....why cant my faction.

1. Keep the pop low until max bonus is achieved
2. Throw all the population onto that server until bonus is diminished.
3. Pull the plug on the population again to max the bonus again.
4. Repeat ad nauseum jumping servers.

In other word...whats stopping me farming bonus points ? Not pointing fingers at anyone of course.

Or is everyone doing it...so the bonus is worthless anyway.

Talcyndl

The thing is that people are going to metagame

Rune_Relic wrote: »

So as the population bonus update is so slow/lagged....why cant my faction.

1. Keep the pop low until max bonus is achieved
2. Throw all the population onto that server until bonus is diminished.
3. Pull the plug on the population again to max the bonus again.
4. Repeat ad nauseum jumping servers.

In other word...whats stopping me farming bonus points ? Not pointing fingers at anyone of course.

Or is everyone doing it...so the bonus is worthless anyway.

Unfortunately, factions will (already are?) doing this. It's the metagaming aspect of this type of system.

Tintinabula

Those welfare wins though!!11oone one one.

dcincali

Tintinabula wrote: »

Those welfare wins though!!11oone one one.

Yea!! Dem welfare wins! MURICA!