PvP without vamps

Kypho

Can you turn this vampire wars online into elder scrolls online? Didnt you say vampirism and WW wont give advantage over normal characters (OK ok ww doesnt give any advantage... nice ballance)? You failed with that too ZoS. Could you fix now? it would be time to normalize the OP vampires. FG skills you gave us are crap [snip].
This is ESO, not VWO, or you missleaded the ppl and its [snip] wars online?

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Agrippa_Invisus

If negate wasn't such a powerful tool, if Magma Armor hadn't taken a nerf to the face, then my DK would be running something other than Devouring Swarm.

Magma Armor offered a similar ability, but with limited damage received instead of healing and better group synergy.

Negate is extremely prevalent throughout organized PVP right now and Banners, Novas, Veils, etc frequently get wiped off the floor. Swarm, OTOH, stays up for it's full duration.

Bramir

Most of the really nasty exploits have involved the vampire skill line. We've even got a new one going on right now that ZOS is trying to ignore.

I've thoroughly experimented with the only fighters guild skills that really had a chances of countering most of the problematic vampires, and they help a little, but fail in the end to provide an effective counter. Now, if you about double the area of turn undead, double the damage and defenses bonuses, and make it move with the player, you might have an effective counter. I'm not exaggerating either...double everything about turn undead and it still might need a buff...but it would be a start.

madangrypally

Vampires and Werewolves should not gain any Fighter Guild Passives.

Thus a player can only gain benefit from either:
Vampire or Werewolf or Fighter guild.

TheBull

It was the raising of the caps. They threw everything off. 1.3 has been a bad patch for Cyrodiil. The population shows. It's upsetting.

Gigglesnort

They probably will once they turn light armour\staff wars online to elder scrolls online.

Armitas

I they think they need a reason to not be a vampire. By that I don't mean that they need to nerf vampires, but give an exclusive non vampire buff. Vampire provides a tactical advantage and people choose it not because they actually care to be a vampire but because they feel they NEED too to be on par with everyone else in PvP.

There should be a choice. "I will be a vampire and receive this tactical advantage", or "I will be X and receive this tactical advantage". Then people will "choose" to be a vampire rather than become a vampire because they are "compelled" beyond their own wishes to be a vampire due to it's advantages.

Kypho

Armitas wrote: »

I they think they need a reason to not be a vampire. By that I don't mean they need nerf vampires, but give an exclusive non vampire buff. Vampire provides a tactical advantage and people choose it not because they actually care to be a vampire but because they feel they NEED too to be on par with everyone else in PvP.

There should be a choice. "I will be a vampire and receive this tactical advantage", or "I will be X and receive this tactical advantage". Then people will "choose" to be a vampire rather than become a vampire because they are "compelled" beyond their own wishes to be a vampire due to it's advantages.

Pure ppl need advantage, what is on pair with lolvampirism. Or make vamp garbage like WW. We know zos can make garbage.

KleanZlate

Finally!! Finally a thread on vampires and PvP

demonlkojipub19_ESO

Vampire and Werewolf haters unite in yet another anger thread. Point your anger towards the light armor/stick. They make the most powerful vampires, and pretty much the only ones you actually need to worry about. But then its not the vampire, its the gear.

But I know the finger pointing will continue to be on the vampire. Carry on.

Kypho

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

Vampire and Werewolf haters unite in yet another anger thread. Point your anger towards the light armor/stick. They make the most powerful vampires, and pretty much the only ones you actually need to worry about. But then its not the vampire, its the gear.

But I know the finger pointing will continue to be on the vampire. Carry on.

not completly true.

demonlkojipub19_ESO

Kypho wrote: »

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

Vampire and Werewolf haters unite in yet another anger thread. Point your anger towards the light armor/stick. They make the most powerful vampires, and pretty much the only ones you actually need to worry about. But then its not the vampire, its the gear.

But I know the finger pointing will continue to be on the vampire. Carry on.

not completly true.

Its the bigger part of the problem.

I go out in my heavy armor and melee weapons and die quite fast. only 1h/sh saves me prevents immediate death, whenever I use it. Vampire isn't what saves me. Ive had better times rolling without bat swarm, and drain essence is unworthy in pvp setting.

Nala_

people who complain about vamps are inexperienced pvpers, sad but true

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO

Currently the meta is "Team Edward" or [snip]

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WraithAzraiel

Actually, the meta is currently "Be a Sorc or DK, wear a dress, wave a stick and occasionally rock a sword and shield" or [snip]

Vampire has only ever been the easiest way to apply these broken-@ss builds. When you can generate ultimate as easily as you can take a breath, why the heck not take something that gives you an AOE health drain that does decent damage?

Cuz then you can wade into crowds of enemies and cast Streak a few times, or toss out a few talons while blocking with green dragon blood running and then BOOM pop Devouring Swarm and watch everyone panic and melt.


Vampire has never been the problem, unbalanced classes with stacking Ultimate Cost Reduction and Ultimate Regen have always been the driving factor but no one sees that. All they see and hear is bats squeaking as they die very quickly.
Hence the attach the problem to what kills them, not to the broke@ss system that allows it to happen.

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WraithAzraiel

Nala_ wrote: »

people who complain about vamps are inexperienced pvpers, sad but true

I bet if they put a big@ss red circle on the ground whenever somebody pop'd Devouring Swarm or the other morph. People die less and whine less.

But because they get so hyperfocus on "RAAAAAAAAAAAMUSTMURDERFACENUBS??!?!?!!!123" they die to standing in the stupid. Then they rage, then they put on their internet tough-guy pants and come to the forums to "be heard".

Nala_

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

Actually, the meta is currently "Be a Sorc or DK, wear a dress, wave a stick and occasionally rock a sword and shield" or [snip]

you forgot the templars, you know the ones that are absolutely required for their direct heals.

so with that addition, you have to be a dk or temp or sorc and either wear a staff or sword and shield. so then lets further improvise that veils are going to be a deciding factor in the group fights, even if theres 1/2 well placed ones (and snb nbs use heavy armor).

there you go, now i turned your error-filled post into an accurate statement.

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WraithAzraiel

Oh, it was error filled because I left out a class that has only recently become a Flavor of the Month? Please forgive me.

For the record, I was agreeing with your quoted statement, not combating it.

Nala_

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

Oh, it was error filled because I left out a class that has only recently become a Flavor of the Month? Please forgive me.

For the record, I was agreeing with your quoted statement, not combating it.

healing templars have been flavor of the month since beta. no one is talking about blazing shield spam

yelloweyedemon

Dropped my sub about the vamp joke on this game. Sorry but this ain't an Elder Scrolls game.

BTW when they said that vamps won't have advantages over "living" characters, were they joking? Or did they believe that the 50% fire debuff makes it up for all the vampire passive AND active skills?

yelloweyedemon

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

Dropped my sub about the vamp joke on this game. Sorry but this ain't an Elder Scrolls game.

BTW when they said that vamps won't have advantages over "living" characters, were they joking? Or did they believe that the 50% fire debuff makes it up for all the vampire passive AND active skills?

Edit: Oh- and what about glass cannon characters? What reason do they have NOT to be vampires?

Good job ZoS!

Dudis

I don't have a problem with vamps and I don't personally run it anymore on my main (templar).
Invisible batswarm is a bit annoying but honestly not a big threat imo.

madangrypally wrote: »

Vampires and Werewolves should not gain any Fighter Guild Passives.

Thus a player can only gain benefit from either:
Vampire or Werewolf or Fighter guild.

Never thought about that. That'd actually make sense :P

Marru

I think that ZOS should do what non vampire community ask for. An ability to hide in a bubble and cry when vampire appears.

Domander

Maybe so many people are vampires because they enjoy it, anyone who goes vampire because they think they have to to compete is just ignorant. There are a lot of great pvpers who are not vampires, probably because they don't like the downside.

Those of you think you lost at any time in pvp because you were fighting a vampire... lol, you would of lost either way.

Zadian

[quote="Dudis;1256222"…
Invisible batswarm is a bit annoying but honestly not a big threat imo.
…[/quote]

It's very annoying if you don't see the 3 bat swarms that kill you in almost an instant, but that's just a bug.

The bat-swarm morph that turns the player "unattackable" while he deals damage with bat-swarm and is able to use other skills - that's not a very sensible game mechanic choice (I would have used other words, but they would probably be against some forum rule against using certain words). Making that ultimate cheap is just the icing on the cake.


[snip]
There are to many "[snip] did the developers think while adding this to the game" moments in ESO for my taste.

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demonlkojipub19_ESO

Dudis wrote: »

I don't have a problem with vamps and I don't personally run it anymore on my main (templar).
Invisible batswarm is a bit annoying but honestly not a big threat imo.

madangrypally wrote: »

Vampires and Werewolves should not gain any Fighter Guild Passives.

Thus a player can only gain benefit from either:
Vampire or Werewolf or Fighter guild.

Never thought about that. That'd actually make sense :P

It would make better sense if the fighters guild wasn't focused on anti-abomination but rather, fighters.

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

Dropped my sub about the vamp joke on this game. Sorry but this ain't an Elder Scrolls game.

BTW when they said that vamps won't have advantages over "living" characters, were they joking? Or did they believe that the 50% fire debuff makes it up for all the vampire passive AND active skills?

And 9% extra damage taken on top of that from every attack thanks to the slayer trait.

ZoM_Head

Keep the vamp, but punish them for going undead hard.

Look back at other ESO games, no regen at all during the daytime (make it so even sets do not offer the regen), stage 4 they receive 100% damage from fire, resist frost and disease etc, nerf that fire resist ring for vamps only, make them glass canons during the day and bring back their survivability during the night. I mean i never saw a vampire run into a mob of enemies and kill them all in 6 seconds.

But when zenimax nerfed the DK so inhale can only absorb 90 health from 3 enemies, and give devouring swarm the ability to absorb 200+ health from all enemies for 6 second.....i mean who was smoking grass on the job when that was approved?

ZoM_Head

Marru wrote: »

I think that ZOS should do what non vampire community ask for. An ability to hide in a bubble and cry when vampire appears.

Nice supportive comment you got there, we need less people like you.

bertenburnyb16_ESO

the whole vamp thing is a mess, from day one, they tried to fix it, but failed, it keeps popping up, it disgusts me, I never became a vamp because A it just doesn't fit with my chars, and B I thought it would be nerfed/balanced out, but sadly IT STILL HASN'T BEEN FIXED, so as a non vamp, I keep getting the short end of the stick...

BloodStorm

I knew ESO would become VSO eventually. I feel like a Vampire NPC in a way who created way to many bloodfiends after quiting months ago. I was joint leader of the first Vampire guild on Eso in early access and we had/ have the only PUREBLOOD achievement. I should get gargoyle form and be able to eliminate all the halfbreeds that now run all across ESO, haha. c'mon ZoS you know you want to turn me into a raid boss and if I die all vampires lose vampirism and then the cycle to get it starts over.

Kypho

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

Nala_ wrote: »

people who complain about vamps are inexperienced pvpers, sad but true

I bet if they put a big@ss red circle on the ground whenever somebody pop'd Devouring Swarm or the other morph. People die less and whine less.

But because they get so hyperfocus on "RAAAAAAAAAAAMUSTMURDERFACENUBS??!?!?!!!123" they die to standing in the stupid. Then they rage, then they put on their internet tough-guy pants and come to the forums to "be heard".

Lolvamp.... both swarm is OP in many ways. go away from it? you cant its following you, while spamming other abilities. mostly running it with heavy armor skill, maybe even speedpot, and over 300 dmg per tick.
Vamps are only noobs who failing to play fair and searched sites for the new fotm craps, like blazing shield, f.gpirism, etc... only. They have nothing unique, just copy the builds of other ppl, because they cant figure out themself. Like you. You are nothing, who doesnt care about ballance, you are happy to use fotm crap what others found out for you, you are who will rage, unsub, when fotm will be fixed, and you cant admit, that only those fotm builds helped you to be better.