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WANT to move FAST ????
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Tootall2186✭✭✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »You guys realize perma sprint on horses is a feature, right?
I just want bolt escape nerfed now. I kept my mouth shut because whatever, I deal with the imbalances and suck it up. But other people don't want to let me have my fun with things that aren't imbalanced. So anything that does what that did but is even more powerful needs to go.
So is set and passive stacking. Yet it's a "bug" in this case? But it was said that it was working as intended directly by ZOS...
Remove horses from pvp. Remove sprinting from pvp. Remove stealth from pvp. Make everyone has to jog around with no movement enhancing abilities. Remove bolt escape from pvp.
No one has anything to *** about aside from actualy fighting.
Also, balance pve and pvp differently. Disable certain things in pvp. If I'm a vampire running around in pve... I want to not HAVE to use my horse. I'm a damn vampire, I don't need a freaking horse to get around... I want blood, gold, and some big nord booty!!!!2 -
ExiledKhallisi✭✭✭✭✭How to move even faster:
Be a Stamina based Orc Sorcerer with speed passive from orc and Medium armor passives + Boundless Storm.
>>>>>>>>(DC)Guild Master of Biestas 250+ Active Members<<<<<<<<||||||Vr14 Sorc: Darkened Soul vr14 Templar: Tiffaney||||||“Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
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AshySamurai✭✭✭✭✭
✭Bolt escape and cabbages for everyone!
TBH don't know why all moaning about this? If you ask me, it's ridiculous that you sneak faster than sprint.Make sweetrolls, not nerfs!2 -
ExiledKhallisi✭✭✭✭✭AshySamurai wrote: »Bolt escape and cabbages for everyone!
TBH don't know why all moaning about this? If you ask me, it's ridiculous that you sneak faster than sprint.
Who cares. They sacrifice damage and crit to run fast.>>>>>>>>(DC)Guild Master of Biestas 250+ Active Members<<<<<<<<||||||Vr14 Sorc: Darkened Soul vr14 Templar: Tiffaney||||||“Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War2 -
dsalter✭✭✭✭✭
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or zerg ***Bolt Escape is receiving an AoE cap with 1.4.1(?). Thank goodness. Kinda makes you feel guilty streaking into a group and popping batswarm... 26 times straight.
But then again... Some players have built their entire character around this oversight by ZOS. It's going to be rough for them when they have to learn to pvp. :P
They call that move emperor maker.
PLEASE REPLY TO ME WITH @dsalter otherwise i'm likely to miss the reply if its not my own thread
EU - [Arch Mage Dave] Altmer Sorcerer
Fight back at the crates and boxes, together we can change things.0 -
Stx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Oh enough already! Stop whining.
That stealth speed was utter crap. It had no place in this game or any game for that matter. A stealthed player moving faster than a sprinting horse... good lord.
Glad they nerfed it.
ok so how about bolt escape ? its faster than a horse so by your logic it needs to go as well?
Bolt escape is a teleport... it makes sense that you could cover distance with it. Moving at superspeed in stealth doesn't make sense, in any possible way. In order to remain hidden, you have to be careful when moving, aka move slowly. Its just common sense.
Besides, BE is a whole different conversation. It can certainly be argued that BE is too good of an ability, but it has nothing to do with this topic.
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Vanzen✭✭✭✭✭Its funny how everyone forgot about mist+°manoeuver after the initial nerf of mist speed ..
Its still the easiest way to escape any bad situation and you never go oom, you can cross the entire map ...
Correctly timed I can dragon leap in the middle of a blob, do a few aoe and escape ...
Add dragon scale and your unkillable if aware or your suroundings.0 -
Garion✭✭✭✭✭
✭I have streak, warlock + seducer, excellent magicka recovery and total magicka and use spell cost reduction jewellery. Guarantee the NB using this set method of speed boosting would beat me in a race. Hell, I can just about keep up with a speed horse but that stops when I have to used dark exchange to top up my mana.
You can run around looking like you have the speed bug. It's a fair nerf.Lastobeth - VR16 Sorc - PvP Rank 41 (AD)
Lastoblyat - VR16 Templar - PvP Rank 14 (AD)
Ninja Pete - VR16 NB - PvP Rank 10 (AD)
Labo the Banana Slayer - VR14 Sorc - PvP Rank 12 (EP)
Member of Banana Squad | Officer of Arena0 -
Knootewoot✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I don't know whether to cry or laugh now. I wear night silence and became a vampire just so i could keep up with vampires. But now that i am i kinda like it.
So if it gets "fixed" i can return to my former human form and keep up with the Vampires i wanted to hunt without having their con's and pro's
But i won't sneakspeed around the map anymore which i like now
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"I am a nightblade. Blending the disciplines of the stealthy agent and subtle wizard, I move unseen and undetected, foil locks and traps, and teleport to safety when threatened, or strike like a viper from ambush. The College of Illusion hides me and fuddles or pacifies my opponents. The College of Mysticism detects my object, reflects and dispels enemy spells, and makes good my escape. The key to a nightblade's success is avoidance, by spell or by stealth; with these skills, all things are possible."0 -
IKilled007✭✭✭✭I love how stuff NBs use get the nerf bat even though NBs are still bugged to hell.The only substitute for victory is overkill.2 -
Stranglehands✭✭✭✭Kids don't know they're born these days. In my day you had to trundle slowly around Morrowind for days and days before you could walk at a reasonable pace. And we didn't have these new fangled wayshrines, you had to pay to ride on the back of a giant insect. Something about cliff racers.kcoR gnillaF si noitadnuoF esohw ETIYREP oT0 -
hamon✭✭✭✭✭
✭Oh enough already! Stop whining.
That stealth speed was utter crap. It had no place in this game or any game for that matter. A stealthed player moving faster than a sprinting horse... good lord.
Glad they nerfed it.
ok so how about bolt escape ? its faster than a horse so by your logic it needs to go as well?
Bolt escape is a teleport... it makes sense that you could cover distance with it. Moving at superspeed in stealth doesn't make sense, in any possible way. In order to remain hidden, you have to be careful when moving, aka move slowly. Its just common sense.
Besides, BE is a whole different conversation. It can certainly be argued that BE is too good of an ability, but it has nothing to do with this topic.
are you for real? teleport makes sense but fast sneaking doesn,t . your selective use of logic is frankly hilarious
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hamon✭✭✭✭✭
✭I have streak, warlock + seducer, excellent magicka recovery and total magicka and use spell cost reduction jewellery. Guarantee the NB using this set method of speed boosting would beat me in a race. Hell, I can just about keep up with a speed horse but that stops when I have to used dark exchange to top up my mana.
You can run around looking like you have the speed bug. It's a fair nerf.
ye i,m sure it seems fair to a sorc. cos you dont want your toys taken away. but laugh it up. just wait till they do take BE off you, we,ll see how much support you get when you come here disgusted by that.
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kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭I have streak, warlock + seducer, excellent magicka recovery and total magicka and use spell cost reduction jewellery. Guarantee the NB using this set method of speed boosting would beat me in a race. Hell, I can just about keep up with a speed horse but that stops when I have to used dark exchange to top up my mana.
You can run around looking like you have the speed bug. It's a fair nerf.
And the NB is stopped in their tracks as soon as you streak over them, they get within a mile of a keep, anyone pulls them out of stealth or they end up in combat. You on the other hand get to damage everyone in your path piling up loads of ultimate and can attack while doing it and use it anytime to escape a battle or the "emperor maker" streak in, batswarm, streak out. Nerfing streak would be a fair nerf.
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akray21✭✭✭✭✭I'm going to switch to sorc for purposes of BE, level to V12, and the week I hit V12 they will nerf BE further...1
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s7732425ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭You forgot these very useful properties of the stealth sets:
- 100% chance to avoid gankers in PVP
- Guarenteed crit hit on anyone you come across in PVP
- Move anywhere you want on the map at the speed of a horse while having the above bonuses.
- You do not have the issue of being knocked off your horse (3 second stun).
Elite stealthers Online.3 -
Kungfu✭✭✭✭mar1ano1987nrb18_ESO wrote: »
but what are you giving up?
The set gives you max stamina, weapon critical and stamina recovery and 60% sneak speed ..its awesome for a medium armor pvp player .
21 weapon damage ? (hundings rage) armor penetration ? (night mother)
If you are a magicka user ..then you are right you are losing a lot, but for medium armor users, you dont give up much as people think.
If you're still running a stamina build, you're a one-hit wonder anyway.
Your ONLY chance at survival is either pot shots from the walls with a bow or hit & run tactics which will not work with pretty much any other set up like this other than a Nightblade running NS Set w/ Vamp w/ Dark Cloak and a HELLUVALOT of magicka to get enough Dark Cloaks off for an escape.
If you load up a med armor, stam build for stealth attacks (like you describe), you have to stack AT LEAST 1600 magicka to get off four Dark Cloaks.
People need to quit complaining about this stealth speed crap until they've tried it.
And the whole "immersion" argument is out the window while you have rez tents that allow people to teleport across the effing map.4 -
Kungfu✭✭✭✭Oh enough already! Stop whining.
That stealth speed was utter crap. It had no place in this game or any game for that matter. A stealthed player moving faster than a sprinting horse... good lord.
Glad they nerfed it.
Your opinions are null and void as you've never tried a build that needs / uses it yourself.
Go get some experience on a subject before you argue blindly against it.
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Trolling & Baiting]Edited by ZOS_MattC on September 5, 2014 6:52PM3 -
akray21✭✭✭✭✭Oh enough already! Stop whining.
That stealth speed was utter crap. It had no place in this game or any game for that matter. A stealthed player moving faster than a sprinting horse... good lord.
Glad they nerfed it.
Your opinions are null and void as you've never tried a build that needs / uses it yourself.
Go get some experience on a subject before you argue blindly against it.
If you're from a democratic country, I sure hope you don't vote like you post around here.
That is the problem with the US. So many people vote that are uninformed. They tend to vote for whatever 'buffs" them IRL, instead of what is right.2 -
Clansman2013✭✭✭Bolt escape is a teleport... it makes sense that you could cover distance with it. Moving at superspeed in stealth doesn't make sense, in any possible way. In order to remain hidden, you have to be careful when moving, aka move slowly. Its just common sense.
Considering the major "issue" is the stacking with the vampire passive, I think a vampire being able to move at superspeed while stealthed makes complete sense.
Edited by Clansman2013 on September 5, 2014 5:05PM3 -
wllstrt75b14_ESO✭✭✭Bolt Escape is receiving an AoE cap with 1.4.1(?). Thank goodness. Kinda makes you feel guilty streaking into a group and popping batswarm... 26 times straight.
But then again... Some players have built their entire character around this oversight by ZOS. It's going to be rough for them when they have to learn to pvp. :P
So instead of 1 streak into the heard it's now 2-3 before that can spam swarm? This change really won't affect game play as each streak really only affected 6 players a shot anyways.
It's such a weak change to a very versatile skill that's was really only designed to be an escape. It has become one of the most widely used skills on the battlefield. It can stun, damage, bypass keep gap guards, build ultimate, and not to mention the other passives it fuels.
Unbelievable zenimax and their desire to see all sorcerers on the battlefield.2 -
akray21✭✭✭✭✭
Bolt escape is a teleport... it makes sense that you could cover distance with it. Moving at superspeed in stealth doesn't make sense, in any possible way. In order to remain hidden, you have to be careful when moving, aka move slowly. Its just common sense.
Besides, BE is a whole different conversation. It can certainly be argued that BE is too good of an ability, but it has nothing to do with this topic.
Dude, please stop using the logical argument, it is getting OLD.
Edited by akray21 on September 5, 2014 5:06PM0 -
Lag✭✭Here is your difference, Bolt Escape is a skill, thus intended. Dark stalker + nights silence set bonus is a combination that ZOS didn't think of. That kind of speed bonus is not intended.Edited by Lag on September 5, 2014 5:20PM0
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hamon✭✭✭✭✭
✭Here is your difference, Bolt Escape is a skill, thus intended. Dark stalker + nights silence set bonus is a combination that ZOS didn't think of. That kind of speed bonus is not intended.
but they did think of it, they were informed EXACTLY how fast folk would go before it went live.. they were fine with it and let it go live... now cos of a few whiners they suddenly U-turn
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kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »You forgot these very useful properties of the stealth sets:
- 100% chance to avoid gankers in PVP
- Guarenteed crit hit on anyone you come across in PVP
- Move anywhere you want on the map at the speed of a horse while having the above bonuses.
- You do not have the issue of being knocked off your horse (3 second stun).
Elite stealthers Online.
You would actually be surprised. You can't get within a mile of a keep, resource or gate without being seen. If any of those gankers have Mage light on chances are they will still find you. The crit in PvP is irrelevant because anyone in stealth does that it has nothing to do with this set. I can run up to you on a horse pop in stealth and it is exactly the same thing .. except I will have stamina left if I do it from a horse.
Also add in you use up so much stamina that if you run across someone unless they are AFK you basically have to attack immediately and lose the ability to dodge roll or block.2 -
Beldorr✭✭✭I dug up some past posts on the sneak stacking since there is a lack of knowledge on how much this was mentioned prior to it going live. There was speculation prior to 1.3.0 hitting the PTS about it stacking and multiple threads after before 1.3.3 went live.
See Patch History here: http://nerfed.gg/eso- 1.2.6 [Prod release] July 24th http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/121430/patch-notes-v1-2-6#latest
- 1.3.0 [PTS Release] July 8th http://nerfed.gg/eso/1.3.0+PTS/2014-07-08
- 1.3.1 [PTS Release] July 21st http://nerfed.gg/eso/1.3.1+PTS/2014-07-21
- 1.3.2 [PTS Release] July 29th http://nerfed.gg/eso/1.3.2+PTS/2014-07-29
- 1.3.3 [Prod release] August 4th http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/124010/patch-notes-v1-3-3#latest
In 1.3.0: Night’s Silence: Fixed an issue that prevented this set’s bonus from applying, and edited the tooltip to reflect the correct stealth bonus percentage at 60%.- July 7th "does night silence stack with vampire?" Speculation prior to the 1.3.0 pts fix of the set: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/118108/night-s-silence-set
- July 17th, "night silence is the NB form of Bolt escape" forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/120375/new-night-s-silence-set-nb-s-form-of-be/p1
- July 28th in reference to the new Night silence: "does it stack, can I stack more": http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/122785/nightblade-sneak-speed
I find the post on the 17th amusing.1
