Behold the rewards of 1st place weekly trials

Gyudan

[SPOILERS]



Yep, just regular trial gear. It feels like Caldwell's Gold again. No wonder guilds aren't pushing hard for the leaderboards ...
If pvpers get legendary gear at the end of a campaign with update 4, could pvers get similar rewards ? Trials are "supposedly" the ultimate pve content at the moment.

ExiledKhallisi

The problem with both PVE and PVP in this game:

-The rewards are not worth it.
-The rewards are marginally better/same basically on par with crafted gear.
-Emperorship only rewards players who neglect their family more than others.
-There is not enough raid content. Doing Hel Ra and AA 500 times = boring and brain gelatinizing.
-If crafted gear becomes worse, expect to see HUGE outcry from majority of player base.
-If Trials gear becomes better, expect to see HUGE outcry from majority of player base.
-They have already set a precedent in quality of crafted gears vs dropped gear.

What would actually make sense and not stir to many problems from players:

-If trials/PVP rewards were high end crafting mats.
-Creation of a new material that can only be acquired by PVP or PVE (one for each)
-These special mats should also be obtainable by solo players on a smaller scale.

cf398ub17_ESO

well at least it looks cool

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

Don't you get a dye for that? And a warm fuzzy feeling.

It just doesn't seem like the reward should be overwhelming for min/maxing effectively. The trials aren't particularly difficult, you just need to optimize your gear and stats.

Gyudan

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Don't you get a dye for that? And a warm fuzzy feeling.

It just doesn't seem like the reward should be overwhelming for min/maxing effectively. The trials aren't particularly difficult, you just need to optimize your gear and stats.

I think leaderboards deserve better than regular trial gear. Trials aren't particularly difficult but people should be able to compete for some special reward each week.
@ZOS_JessicaFolsom can we get a pet giraffe or something ?

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

Gyudan wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Don't you get a dye for that? And a warm fuzzy feeling.

It just doesn't seem like the reward should be overwhelming for min/maxing effectively. The trials aren't particularly difficult, you just need to optimize your gear and stats.

I think leaderboards deserve better than regular trial gear. Trials aren't particularly difficult but people should be able to compete for some special reward each week.
@ZOS_JessicaFolsom can we get a pet giraffe or something ?

I would approve of a pet giraffe.

I should give PvE'rs a break, plus plenty of people roll around in cyrodiil in trials gear/colors.

I feel like trials are such a half measure, and time shouldn't be what the competition is for.

I don't want the direction of endgame to be towards PvE raiding, but if it is included, long battles with very complex and tricky mechanics would be far preferable to speedy dps checks with a maximum number of rezzes.

leeux

Ahem... How's that even possible! I see the list of members of that group, and four of them are Templars! How come you got the best time?

Sorry, just trying to be funny, but failing at it

I just hope to be able to do that content at some point... getting 12 people together and organized like that is a enormous feat of logistics (from my relatively inexperienced point of view.)

PS: BTW, nothing against any class, but I love my Templar... and seeing 4 in there gave me a warm feeling

EDIT: typos

Soulshine

leeux wrote: »

Ahem... How's that even possible! I see the list of members of that group, and four of them are Templars! How come you got the best time?

Sorry, just trying to be funny, but failing at it

I just hope to be able to do that content at some point... getting 12 people together and organized like that is a enormous feat of logistics (from my relatively inexperienced point of view.)

PS: BTW, nothing against any class, but I love my Templar... and seeing 4 in there gave me a warm feeling

EDIT: typos

Speaking as a vr12 Templar, I can tell never had any troubles of the kind you read around here, not about dps, not about finding a spot, na-da. So don't get discouraged. Templars are awesome

leeux

@Soulshine: Thanks for the encouragement

Good to know about people's good experience, for a change!

And fully agreed about the awesome part!

EDIT: Oh... and I'm sorry for the off topic (didn't thought about that!). Don't want to derail the thread or anything.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

I have done pick up groups for trials twice. One was highly organized and mostly composed of an experienced guild. We lost the trial at 1% life on the final boss, and they didn't want to try again. The other time I dropped out before we even began because getting everyone to even get on teamspeak (some people flat out said they had no way to do it) was impossible. Maybe if they had booted these people. I mean, I feel for you if you don't have a headset, but you can't do that crap without being able to hear real time orders.

I have been disinterested in attempting trials since, though I really do want that white. My vampire white is good enough, at any rate.

Aenra

you all take the easy way out, the very same non-imaginative way that effed up this whole damn genre

NO, you shouldn't get crafting mats all other crafters will never get
NO, you shouldn't propose changes that will undermine other spheres of the game just so to bolster the one you fancy
(and making crafting secondary in importance -does- fall under that)

You are meant to do this for fun, maybe even bragging.
Not enough? Why not wait for the champion system new tier system?..really, have we not have had enough games where this unimaginative "solution" has been employed? After the whiners for shinier loot left, only weeks after being "heard", what did everyone gain? A downsizing on any non-raiding sphere that kept ooon and ooon, with nothing to compensate for a wrong direction that should never have been trod in the first place

So again, they are spicing up rewards come champion system, you should have heard about it, if not, google it.
Either wait for that, or start thinking. Please. What you propose is not in anyone's interest. You are not alone (M for massively, many). Us, the casuals, pay the bills that keep you "raiding". Like it or not, undermining us for your sake will result to the opposite end.

Nazon_Katts

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

The problem with both PVE and PVP in this game:

-The rewards are not worth it.
-The rewards are marginally better/same basically on par with crafted gear.
-Emperorship only rewards players who neglect their family more than others.
-There is not enough raid content. Doing Hel Ra and AA 500 times = boring and brain gelatinizing.
-If crafted gear becomes worse, expect to see HUGE outcry from majority of player base.
-If Trials gear becomes better, expect to see HUGE outcry from majority of player base.
-They have already set a precedent in quality of crafted gears vs dropped gear.

What would actually make sense and not stir to many problems from players:

-If trials/PVP rewards were high end crafting mats.
-Creation of a new material that can only be acquired by PVP or PVE (one for each)
-These special mats should also be obtainable by solo players on a smaller scale.

Sets which consist of parts obtainable through crafting and PvE/PvP could help, too. You could even introduce more part sets than we got now, so you'll get your 5 part crafting set first and then go out to get the remaining parts from whatever source you prefer.

I think the sense of reward would be bigger when you collect your missing pieces from a drop/reward and all the while crafting/PvE/PvP would still be on common grounds, since they could only truly excel together instead of competing which each other.

LonePirate

Let me see if I have this straight, OP. You received the loot from killing the bosses in the trial. You also received FREE loot for being atop the trials leaderboard. And you're complaining? Were you expecting a full set of legendary VR12 gear with +1000 Health/Magicka/Stamina along with a weapon that one shots everything?

ZOS wants to keep players on the hook. There is no incentive for them to give away everything for free just because you sat atop the leaderboards at the end of the week. You should top the leaderboards again next week and maybe you will receive another epic set piece for doing nothing except waiting for the mail to arrive.

eliisra

Everything that's suppose to be endgame or top tier is mediocre in ESO though.

It's not just in PvE. The VR12 PvP gear, purple and rare set items, are both unusable due to junk traits. I expert nothing different from future PvP leader-board rewards. Bet I get robes with exploration and daggers with training.

Than there's crafting. The most devoted and invested crafter can spend a bloody lifetime to unlock all 8 traits within a profession (9 in the future). Yet the best gear only requires is 3-6 traits and that's done almost instantly.

There's no no incentives in ESO for pushing hard anywhere, regardless of playstyle.

While I agree that endgame raid- or PvP rewards shouldn't turn you into a demi-god, it should at least be worth aiming for. Same with 8 traits armour sets.

KhajitFurTrader

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

-The rewards are marginally better/same basically on par with crafted gear.

Really? Then everything is all right. ^_^

I'm in it for the challenge of beating group content together with amiable company. Having a relaxing evening with friendly people is much more preferable than to mindlessly push for BiS gear that is not obtainable otherwise.

I find that segregating a game populace by too strong a difference in gear quality and power only leads to envy, and an entitled attitude; while envy can be a strong motivation to some, it will ultimately be self-destructive in any community.

Getting bragging rights via unique looks is totally all right; after all, we're all craving recognition, don't we? Getting vastly different power levels through "gated" content and its gear rewards only leads to unpleasant questions about "subscription equality".

R0M2K

Agree with OP, itemization is terrible, theres no carrot.

To the others, when the game gets empty because people has no carrot to chase youll cry.

Mendoze

I can understand some trial rewards may feel disappointing, but I would also be very disappointed if suddenly trial rewards would majorly overpower anything I can craft. I've invested a lot in crafting, and if suddenly all the time, money and skill points would become obsolete, I would feel seriously cheated.

Also PVP is another major factor that limits those PVE rewards. Because trial rewards work in PVP too, those bonuses really can't be over the top. It would be just silly if PVP players were forced to do trials to be competitive in PVP....against PVE players. I'm sure you would feel the same way if you were forced to grind AP points to be able to PVE.

I believe current itemization is just fine. Crafted gear works quite well in both PVP and PVE, and still both offer items as rewards that are marginally better than crafted gear. Only thing I'm a tad bitter about, is that PVE players get purple items as rewards, while PVP players get greens.

kieso

I'll care about trials once it's stops becoming a race for dress wearing stick holders.

Turelus

PVP'ers getting legendary gear is a dumb idea anyway. Well I guess IMO.

I would rather see people get purples throughout the game and keep the legendary upgrades as they are, something people who have the time or money to get them have an option of upgrading their gear a little more.

TehMagnus

Gyudan wrote: »

[SPOILERS]



Yep, just regular trial gear. It feels like Caldwell's Gold again. No wonder guilds aren't pushing hard for the leaderboards ...
If pvpers get legendary gear at the end of a campaign with update 4, could pvers get similar rewards ? Trials are "supposedly" the ultimate pve content at the moment.

U get Legendary stuff in chests on update 4. Tested on PTS.

schroed360

Just a little addition... I also would like a reward for completition of trial as well as vet dungeon when using the grouping tool .And why not a Pug leaderboard as well. Just in order to encourage poeple to use the grouping tool and help the community ... Cause as I see this thread we are in the situation of poeple who have left some aside cause no achievement or not enought dps or wrong build only to conplain after that the reward did not worht it&*/!

TehMagnus

schroed360 wrote: »

Just a little addition... I also would like a reward for completition of trial as well as vet dungeon when using the grouping tool .And why not a Pug leaderboard as well. Just in order to encourage poeple to use the grouping tool and help the community ... Cause as I see this thread we are in the situation of poeple who have left some aside cause no achievement or not enought dps or wrong build only to conplain after that the reward did not worht it&*/!

#1: The people who have been left aside have been left aside for a simple reason: they can't complete the trials with their setup. If they all group together, they won't pass 3rd boss of AA if they even get there.

#2: How do you know when the group is a pug group? In order to do that you should be able to register a guild that is completing the trial before beginning which isn't the case at the moment.

Knootewoot

PvP is a reward on itself. It is fun. Trials need a better reward. Because they are not fun at all.

________ Funrating_____ Reward______Total
PvP_______8_____________0___________8
Trials_____2_____________1___________3

killedbyping

But there never was any rewards for 1st weekly first place... Just additional coffer for participating.

Wifeaggro13

Gyudan wrote: »

[SPOILERS]



Yep, just regular trial gear. It feels like Caldwell's Gold again. No wonder guilds aren't pushing hard for the leaderboards ...
If pvpers get legendary gear at the end of a campaign with update 4, could pvers get similar rewards ? Trials are "supposedly" the ultimate pve content at the moment.

hahahaha PVE rewards in this game are so weak from the Group dungeons to VR dungeons it is absolutely the worst itemized game ever. the only one that came close was AOC and it completely re itemized at 6 months post launch.

They need to drop this zerg fest trial stuff and just put in traditional hard content that has actual mechanics and not dps races for fastest time. reitemize with unique gold gear . When this game is out of beta and has an actual end game ill resub and try it again.

ExiledKhallisi

KhajitFurTrader wrote: »

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

-The rewards are marginally better/same basically on par with crafted gear.

Really? Then everything is all right. ^_^

I'm in it for the challenge of beating group content together with amiable company. Having a relaxing evening with friendly people is much more preferable than to mindlessly push for BiS gear that is not obtainable otherwise.

I find that segregating a game populace by too strong a difference in gear quality and power only leads to envy, and an entitled attitude; while envy can be a strong motivation to some, it will ultimately be self-destructive in any community.

Getting bragging rights via unique looks is totally all right; after all, we're all craving recognition, don't we? Getting vastly different power levels through "gated" content and its gear rewards only leads to unpleasant questions about "subscription equality".

This is why the game is dieing.

Gyudan

LonePirate wrote: »

Let me see if I have this straight, OP. You received the loot from killing the bosses in the trial. You also received FREE loot for being atop the trials leaderboard. And you're complaining? Were you expecting a full set of legendary VR12 gear with +1000 Health/Magicka/Stamina along with a weapon that one shots everything?

ZOS wants to keep players on the hook. There is no incentive for them to give away everything for free just because you sat atop the leaderboards at the end of the week. You should top the leaderboards again next week and maybe you will receive another epic set piece for doing nothing except waiting for the mail to arrive.

If it had been free loot that I didn't have to deconstruct, maybe. I've received those sabatons 3 times already in regular trials. Getting them again as weekly trial reward was a bit disappointing.
PVPers will also receive free loot at the end of the campain. The only tiny difference is that theirs can be legendary (1.4), while PVErs can only get epic.

magnusnet wrote: »

U get Legendary stuff in chests on update 4. Tested on PTS.

Can someone please confirm? It doesn't appear in the patch notes.