Hardcore Gaming is Gone with the Wind (at least in ESO)

Odditorium

I am a gen x gamer. I remember the olden days when there were no saves. You ran out of extra lives and you had to start again from the very beginning. Games were HARD (remember Bionic Commando or Gunsmoke?). So you invite your covert gamer friends over, take turns and try to beat the game. And they were covert or "closet gamers" because if it was known by the general populace that you spent hours playing video games, you were bullied and made fun off at school. Geek, nerd, dork, etc were not names to be proud of. They were cruel names that hurt.

Now that that's out of the way, I wanted to share a ticket I submitted to Zen in regards to "gamers" today and their style of playing:

I am having a problem with game play. Namely the low level dolmens. I camp out and wait for the the dolmen to start up so that I can have a fun, epic battle using all of my abilities with finesse. But lately, within the past 2 weeks or so, there are high level players camping the same dolmens and killing everything in sight before I can shoot a spell off like Mage's Wrath which is an instant cast spell. This is devastating to my fun and skill progression. I noticed this because I have started about four new character classes and gameplay is drastically different than it was in the last beta and post release. I am no longer "playing" the game. I am running around the dolmen spamming mage's wrath hoping to be lucky enough to get a hit in before the 40+'s and the VRs annihilate the dolmen in two minutes. That's not having fun! Just as you do not get exp for anything 5 levels below yours', the same should apply to achievement kills. There should be a cap. It's very similar to competing with the dungeon boss-bots. Not fun. Not fun at all. I'm no longer immersed in the game fighting evil daedra from Oblivion. I'm frantically running circles around the dolmen trying so hard just to touch a daedra with my spell or sword. What a bummer!

That was my ticket. So in conclusion; why play a game that is too easy? I know that achievement point for killing 100 flesh atronochs is so important so that you can have a new color for your armor so that you can stand out from everyone else because when we cross your path we will stop in our tracks to admire your beautiful, rare color. But back in olden times, believe it or not, there was a gamer code. You let you friend have a go at the boss without grabbing the controller away because you knew you could do better. There was comradery. You didn't sit and watch you friend beat the game because he was better than you. Even if you both knew that he was better. Those days are gone and I wish it wasn't so.

As long as I'm ranting, I might as well add one more thing the really irks me. I was out in a vast field of monsters trying out my new skills on my new class, deciding which skill to put in what slot and figuring out which combo works best. When out of nowhere, some dude comes along and plows through my battle. I scoped out the field and I was all alone surrounded by a whole field full of monsters. What the heck? Kill troll? Is that a new thing?

Ok I'm done.

TehMagnus

I don't see anything about hardcore gaming in your post. You should probably rename it to Old School gaming.

As for the dolmens blame it on ZOS for introducing the much needed dyes when game is lacking many other things .

pilotfish

I blame Harry Potter movies.

Odditorium

If you don't see, then you weren't there.

xChewtoyx

I've been playing games on computers since the 70s and I don't remember them being hard, they were just frustrating at times because they didn't have many features that we now take for granted.

I suggest you level up a bit. Once you get to the higher levels you can do many encounters solo (dolmens, group bosses etc).

As to your last rant all I can say is that this is an MMO. Some interaction with other humans is going to happen from time to time. Yes, there can be griefers but keep an open mind and try and look at it from the other players viewpoint.
That was prolly just some person who happened by and saw a bunch of mobs to kill and proceeded to do so...like you.

Odditorium

To quote Tyler Durden: "How's that working out for you, being clever? Keep it up then".

TehMagnus

WarlordsOfMars wrote: »

If you don't see, then you weren't there.

I actually was, and once again, it's not Hard Core gaming. There is hardcore gaming content (some will say it's not hardcore enough), it's called Hard Mode Trials and soon Hard Mode Arena. Moreover, most Hardcore gamers will probably grind through level 1-50 then some more till VR12 if they can avoid questing, they sure as hell wont come to the forums to rant about other players being unfair with them.

Nothing Hard Core about being a hippie and caring about other people's feelings or having some code of honor. That's Old School gaming.

Mind you I was giving you an advice and you go on rampage. I'll go farm some level 10-50 dolmens with my VR12 tonight I think since I need them dyes and it seems to annoy people like you.

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO

I remember it as if I spent countless hours with the games I played in the 1980s. However, in retrospect, it probably wasn't more than a few dozen hours at most for each game. Back then, computers were bad, and games were shallow.

When I compare that to the number of hours people regularly clock in modern RPG and MMO games, I'd say that there was no such thing as "hard core gaming" in the old days. Twitchy reflex darn near impossible games that only last long because you fail at playing them are a thing of the past, and I'm glad that is over. The amount of frustration I felt over several days was not in proportion to the brief sensation of accomplishment from having "beat the game", and it was bad gaming. I remember it as fun, but I would not enjoy it today. Games have developed, and I think it's mostly for the better.

Dual.sphereeb17_ESO

Hello there. Thank you for your opinion. I will now proceed to disagree.

Why are you saying the game is too easy when your gameplay experience is being mauled by other players?
Saying a game is easy normally refers to when you can faceroll (alone, and/or in certain cases with a same level as content party) the game.
That was not the case. They were high lvl. Farming. You took the ride.

The longer the game runs, the more often this will happen. Perhaps if Craglorn still had these Anchors, things would be slightly different (perhaps not).
The truth is, and as mentioned before, the Dye system injected a lot of life into the game, but it also tackled certain aspects of the game, like low level anchors. That is a byproduct.

Is it perfect ? No. It helped to populate areas ? Hell yes. Does that make the game Easier ? No.

Sorry mate, but with so many faults to be pointed, this one is one I cannot agree with

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

I don't understand how this post relates to hardcore gaming or why it couldn't have just been posted on another one of the hundreds of the other threads on this same topic.

At any rate, there are achievements for dolmen, a number of them, and after you have done all the dolmens once, and you need more anchor pins, those generals, 250 dolmens total, you're not necessarily going to hang around the vr10 dolmens waiting for other people to show up every single time.

I don't even know if I would call that a challenge anyway. PvE is rarely challenging.

A nice high level player sits back and heals instead of attacking, but lowest common denominator and what not.

Ragefist

My friend. Sounds like mmo games are simply not the best thing for you.

You are sharing the world with other players and interact with them. Sometimes the interactions will be pleasant, sometimes not so much.

If you can't coop with that, I suggest you find yourself another (single player) game

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

Ragefist wrote: »

My friend. Sounds like mmo games are simply not the best thing for you.

You are sharing the world with other players and interact with them. Sometimes the interactions will be pleasant, sometimes not so much.

If you can't coop with that, I suggest you find yourself another (single player) game

I think that's unnecessary, really. Every time someone has a complaint or is unhappy with something involving other players or features in the game, it doesn't mean we need to tell them to go play something else.

I'm sure there are beefs you have with the game, do you feel you should play something else as well?

Rune_Relic

Kill troll ? So you are in an area about to kill farm....and you ended up sharing with someone else who wanted to kill farm ? I know that is terribly inconsiderate of them !

Alas this is one of the things you get with a shared world rather than your own instance.

Sorry to sound harsh but I think this is just something you have to accept in world play. You can ask for your own solo instances if you like ?

aronothub17_ESO

Just to point out im an altholic and have never failed to complete a dolmen from level 1, completionist in me, but to be honest this is not zennies fault. this is the community. the fact is those people that are farming the dolmens are the problem. they are so pathetic that the only way they can succeed is to fight something drastically under their level, atleast thats how i look at them. granted it would be nice if zennie made it so that they get zip zero ziltch after completing the dolmen.

basically, this post needs to point at the weak little cowards who cant fight anything but low level creatures. grow some ball, sadly best phase for the point, these me me me me people need to learn that there are others. your vr 12, oooooo your trying to say there are not vr 12 creatures you could kill for same achieve. in all honesty i think some of this issue will be dealt with once the champion system is released. as of now those 12s are doing it because its efficient and there is no xp/reward for doing their level, of course there are intrinsic rewards, but this wow generation of gamers dont know what that is. they dont know what it means to take pride in your community.

so in short, its not all ZoS's fault, its mostly those worthless gamers who are too lazy to take on something their own size because they came from an age where there is no longer a sense of pride in their accomplishments.

soulclaw

No matter what you do, you will never be hard core. You are just a kid playing a video game. You will never be anything but a kid playing a video game.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

aronothub17_ESO wrote: »

Just to point out im an altholic and have never failed to complete a dolmen from level 1, completionist in me, but to be honest this is not zennies fault. this is the community. the fact is those people that are farming the dolmens are the problem. they are so pathetic that the only way they can succeed is to fight something drastically under their level, atleast thats how i look at them. granted it would be nice if zennie made it so that they get zip zero ziltch after completing the dolmen.

basically, this post needs to point at the weak little cowards who cant fight anything but low level creatures. grow some ball, sadly best phase for the point, these me me me me people need to learn that there are others. your vr 12, oooooo your trying to say there are not vr 12 creatures you could kill for same achieve. in all honesty i think some of this issue will be dealt with once the champion system is released. as of now those 12s are doing it because its efficient and there is no xp/reward for doing their level, of course there are intrinsic rewards, but this wow generation of gamers dont know what that is. they dont know what it means to take pride in your community.

so in short, its not all ZoS's fault, its mostly those worthless gamers who are too lazy to take on something their own size because they came from an age where there is no longer a sense of pride in their accomplishments.

This post makes me want to go farm low level dolmens. (Which I guess I will have to do at some point anyway for general executioner.)

I never realized the measure of my bravery and worth was if I ground out high level dolmens, or low level dolmens.

Also, there are no vr12 dolmens, they only go up to vr10.

This has zero to do with WoW or any generation of gamers. Personally, I started playing in UO, and if there is a faster/easier way to do something, I'm going to do it. For christ's sake, I'm not going to climb uphill both ways for every single achievement, there are a lot of them.

Plus, as I stated before, PvE isn't even remotely a challenge. It's not like if you are at a vr10 dolmen you have to use special tactics or plan your attacks or anything, it's all just hps and damage. The AI isn't exactly clever.

aronothub17_ESO

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

aronothub17_ESO wrote: »

Just to point out im an altholic and have never failed to complete a dolmen from level 1, completionist in me, but to be honest this is not zennies fault. this is the community. the fact is those people that are farming the dolmens are the problem. they are so pathetic that the only way they can succeed is to fight something drastically under their level, atleast thats how i look at them. granted it would be nice if zennie made it so that they get zip zero ziltch after completing the dolmen.

basically, this post needs to point at the weak little cowards who cant fight anything but low level creatures. grow some ball, sadly best phase for the point, these me me me me people need to learn that there are others. your vr 12, oooooo your trying to say there are not vr 12 creatures you could kill for same achieve. in all honesty i think some of this issue will be dealt with once the champion system is released. as of now those 12s are doing it because its efficient and there is no xp/reward for doing their level, of course there are intrinsic rewards, but this wow generation of gamers dont know what that is. they dont know what it means to take pride in your community.

so in short, its not all ZoS's fault, its mostly those worthless gamers who are too lazy to take on something their own size because they came from an age where there is no longer a sense of pride in their accomplishments.

This post makes me want to go farm low level dolmens. (Which I guess I will have to do at some point anyway for general executioner.)

I never realized the measure of my bravery and worth was if I ground out high level dolmens, or low level dolmens.

Also, there are no vr12 dolmens, they only go up to vr10.

This has zero to do with WoW or any generation of gamers. Personally, I started playing in UO, and if there is a faster/easier way to do something, I'm going to do it. For christ's sake, I'm not going to climb uphill both ways for every single achievement, there are a lot of them.

Plus, as I stated before, PvE isn't even remotely a challenge. It's not like if you are at a vr10 dolmen you have to use special tactics or plan your attacks or anything, it's all just hps and damage. The AI isn't exactly clever.

so because i point out that farming low level mobs is lazy and lack challenge you want to farm them. ok so what does that seriously make you.

me, personally, i believe in pride and honor. its a bloody game have fun IMHO if you farm those low level things and get all your achievements as fast as possible what happens in a month when you have everything o yea now your BORED and WHINING that there is no end game or there is nothing to do and ZoS needs to put out more content and blah blah blah. I hate the fact now, that on my current new toon ive out leveled the zone im in, but that is my fault, im a completionist. and i cant progress a zone til i have done every quest, but that dont mean im going to go back to a low zone to farm a creature thats below me. if i wasnt tied to progressing through the main story to get to higher mobs, i would personally skip a zone, but seeing as i can only get to cold harbor by completing main story, i have to complete each zone.

My point is stop trying to use efficiency as an excuse take pride in your character in your accomplishments. im sorry but if you got that super rare dye because you farmed low level mobs that offered no challenge, to me, that achievement is hollow. Thats like saying i have an olympic medal, but then leaving out that you bought it at a yard sale or that its your parents or whatever else. So where is your sense of honor your sense of pride your sense of achievement. when you say something like what you say it makes me believe you dont have any

Soloeus

I am not a Professional Gaming Athlete. I play games for relaxation, to chill, and pass time. I am not looking for "the hardest challenge ever." I didn't order that game, and I don't want it.

There are plenty of "Hardest Game Ever" type of games for you already. Oh and in almost all the old games the bosses, in fact every enemy behaved perfectly on script and once you knew its formula you would never lose again is that challenging anyway?

dennis.schmelzleb16_ESO

I just remember when I was young (late 80s, early 90s) we were playing games for fun.
Nowadays everybody seems to need rewards.

twev

Dual.sphereeb17_ESO wrote: »

Hello there. Thank you for your opinion. I will now proceed to disagree.

Why are you saying the game is too easy when your gameplay experience is being mauled by other players?
Saying a game is easy normally refers to when you can faceroll (alone, and/or in certain cases with a same level as content party) the game.
That was not the case. They were high lvl. Farming. You took the ride.

The longer the game runs, the more often this will happen. Perhaps if Craglorn still had these Anchors, things would be slightly different (perhaps not).
The truth is, and as mentioned before, the Dye system injected a lot of life into the game, but it also tackled certain aspects of the game, like low level anchors. That is a byproduct.

Is it perfect ? No. It helped to populate areas ? Hell yes. Does that make the game Easier ? No.

Sorry mate, but with so many faults to be pointed, this one is one I cannot agree with

Not saying it's the best solution, but one of the few ways they'd be able to fix the high level farming is to make badguys who are ~6 levels below you 'inviz' to you, or put you in an instance where they weren't even there.

Obviously, for the high level players who skipped parts of the game and still need the low level quest of a badguy for a single combat achievement - you ought be able to enter combat 'ONCE' for that achieve, but I'm thinking that combat farming low level badguys so you can just vacuum up the 'Kill XX number of YYY' is a farce.
- You don't get the XP for it, you shouldn't have the opportunity to wholesale kill low-levels that the low-level goodguys need.

There's no sport in it, and it discourages the lowbies from just playing a square-deal encounter.
If you're upper level - go kill upper level badguys.
If you really liked the low level encounters - go make a new low level 'toon and fight alongside the other lowbies.

As an example: you CAN take your lvl 48 to a starter island and lay waste to the place for days at a time to show how powerful you are, but really... whats the point? You get nothing worthwhile in game while sucking the fun out of an area for unknown numbers of lowbies who are trying to have the same fun you had way back in the long ago when you just started.....

just my opinion. Feel free to ignore whatever you like.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

aronothub17_ESO wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

aronothub17_ESO wrote: »

Just to point out im an altholic and have never failed to complete a dolmen from level 1, completionist in me, but to be honest this is not zennies fault. this is the community. the fact is those people that are farming the dolmens are the problem. they are so pathetic that the only way they can succeed is to fight something drastically under their level, atleast thats how i look at them. granted it would be nice if zennie made it so that they get zip zero ziltch after completing the dolmen.

basically, this post needs to point at the weak little cowards who cant fight anything but low level creatures. grow some ball, sadly best phase for the point, these me me me me people need to learn that there are others. your vr 12, oooooo your trying to say there are not vr 12 creatures you could kill for same achieve. in all honesty i think some of this issue will be dealt with once the champion system is released. as of now those 12s are doing it because its efficient and there is no xp/reward for doing their level, of course there are intrinsic rewards, but this wow generation of gamers dont know what that is. they dont know what it means to take pride in your community.

so in short, its not all ZoS's fault, its mostly those worthless gamers who are too lazy to take on something their own size because they came from an age where there is no longer a sense of pride in their accomplishments.

This post makes me want to go farm low level dolmens. (Which I guess I will have to do at some point anyway for general executioner.)

I never realized the measure of my bravery and worth was if I ground out high level dolmens, or low level dolmens.

Also, there are no vr12 dolmens, they only go up to vr10.

This has zero to do with WoW or any generation of gamers. Personally, I started playing in UO, and if there is a faster/easier way to do something, I'm going to do it. For christ's sake, I'm not going to climb uphill both ways for every single achievement, there are a lot of them.

Plus, as I stated before, PvE isn't even remotely a challenge. It's not like if you are at a vr10 dolmen you have to use special tactics or plan your attacks or anything, it's all just hps and damage. The AI isn't exactly clever.

so because i point out that farming low level mobs is lazy and lack challenge you want to farm them. ok so what does that seriously make you.

me, personally, i believe in pride and honor. its a bloody game have fun IMHO if you farm those low level things and get all your achievements as fast as possible what happens in a month when you have everything o yea now your BORED and WHINING that there is no end game or there is nothing to do and ZoS needs to put out more content and blah blah blah. I hate the fact now, that on my current new toon ive out leveled the zone im in, but that is my fault, im a completionist. and i cant progress a zone til i have done every quest, but that dont mean im going to go back to a low zone to farm a creature thats below me. if i wasnt tied to progressing through the main story to get to higher mobs, i would personally skip a zone, but seeing as i can only get to cold harbor by completing main story, i have to complete each zone.

My point is stop trying to use efficiency as an excuse take pride in your character in your accomplishments. im sorry but if you got that super rare dye because you farmed low level mobs that offered no challenge, to me, that achievement is hollow. Thats like saying i have an olympic medal, but then leaving out that you bought it at a yard sale or that its your parents or whatever else. So where is your sense of honor your sense of pride your sense of achievement. when you say something like what you say it makes me believe you dont have any

lol what are you even talking about? Pride and honor? It's a game, I don't measure my virtues by whether I kill high level mobs or low level mobs for achievements or really anything else in the way I play.

I actually am max level, have done most quests, pretty much am already at the point you think I will have a problem at maxing things out. PvE "challenges" are not going to keep me subbing, I play to PvP, which is an actual challenge.

I really don't care if the achievement is "hollow" I'm not trying to prove something getting it, I'm trying to unlock a dye lol

You can put all the pride and challenge you want into your character, but I am not a lesser person for playing the way I want to.

Tapio75

I agree with OP, hi level players should not be in low level dolmens to insta kill stuff. Im fine with them if they just keep an eye out and help if people start to die but otherwise i wish they leave us alone. Better solution than making them leave would be scaling players to zones but the same playerbase who camps lowbie areas for kills are opposing it since they dont want to work for their kills.

And yes, while old games on Spectrum + like Jetset willy were frustratiing, they really were hard as well. You had to have exact timing to point of perfection to advance in the "game world" and if you died too many times, too bad. Go play right from the start for hours until you reach that point again.

And when you finally beat the game to the end, the sense of accomplishment was legendary!

Please dont call MMO arenas or hardmodes as hardcore gaming, it is just harder mode of auto aimed spells where computer does most work for you. What is hardcore gaming is playing oldschool Unreal tournament on clan server :P Not single Battlefiueld or Counter strike can compare to that and not MMO in any way.

JD2013

I've been a gamer since 1986.

Don't kid yourself. Gaming is not a hardcore thing. It's a fun thing. No matter what anyone tries to say. It's a fun pastime to while away a couple of hours here and there between work, relationships, and all of the other little joys that life has.

I do remember when games were harder, this is true. But back then I had endless hours to be able to while away. Or maybe they just seemed harder? Hard to tell now. No, I think they probably were harder. Morrowind will always remain my favourite ES title, but do I hate ESO? Heck no. It's a huge online version of Tamriel that I can fool around with friends and indeed random people and blow off steam from the day that has preceded my playtime.

Tl;dr: Gaming is not hardcore. It's a fun hobby. If you take it too seriously, you may need to rethink priorities.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

Tapio75 wrote: »

I agree with OP, hi level players should not be in low level dolmens to insta kill stuff. Im fine with them if they just keep an eye out and help if people start to die but otherwise i wish they leave us alone. Better solution than making them leave would be scaling players to zones but the same playerbase who camps lowbie areas for kills are opposing it since they dont want to work for their kills.

And yes, while old games on Spectrum + like Jetset willy were frustratiing, they really were hard as well. You had to have exact timing to point of perfection to advance in the "game world" and if you died too many times, too bad. Go play right from the start for hours until you reach that point again.

Please dont call MMO arenas or hardmodes as hardcore gaming, it is just harder mode of auto aimed spells where computer does most work for you. What is hardcore gaming is playing oldschool Unreal tournament on clan server :P Not single Battlefiueld or Counter strike can compare to that and not MMO in any way.

No I think the opposition would be the fact that you would constantly be out of phase with everyone else, and there would be no way to interact with people of different levels.

It's sort of a non-issue. The polite high levels sit back and heal, and people STILL complain. It sucks that people are taking your kills but it's really the nature of the beast. You share the world with everyone else for good or for ill.

Tabbycat

I am confused about what your rant is about.

Are you saying that old school gaming is hard core and today's younger generation of gamers don't know what difficult is?

Are you complaining about high level players going into lower level zones to complete achievements and their doing so is preventing you from completing your achievements?

Are you complaining that high level players are doing stuff in low level zones and this somehow means they aren't hard core gamers?

Some people enjoy getting all the achievements. Some people leveled into the Veteran levels before some of the newer achievements and dye rewards became available. Therefore, some players are going to return to the older content in order to complete those achievements.

The path of least resistance is the path most followed.

Most likely they're killing monsters in lower level zones that are achievement related instead of killing them in higher level zones because they can kill things faster in the lower level zones. Obviously the faster you kill stuff, the sooner you complete your achievement and get your dye.

bosmern_ESO

So you're complaining that the game is to easy and that it's Zenimax's fault but its really just other players?

KhajitFurTrader

WarlordsOfMars wrote: »

I am a gen x gamer. I remember the olden days when there were no saves. You ran out of extra lives and you had to start again from the very beginning. Games were HARD (remember Bionic Commando or Gunsmoke?). [...]

I'll file that part under "attempting to establish gamer cred", in order to lend more weight to the opinions that follow. While this is legitimate, it is somewhat getting old, too, as too many people are trying the same approach. Remember that there will always be someone older and more experienced than you and will know your "old school" experiences for the "newfangled stuff", which they are to them.

Btw, I've played Pong on the Atari VCS (only much later known as the Atari 2600) in '78. But that doesn't give my voice one more yota of weight than yours. I'm sure someone can be found around here who has played Adventure on a PDP-10.

WarlordsOfMars wrote: »

I am having a problem with game play. Namely the low level dolmens. [...]

The player behavior you've witnessed has only become much more prevalent since the introduction of the dye systems, in which dyes are tied to achievements, and people who've missed them are farming them right now. As others have stated already, this behavior will diminish all by itself over time.

WarlordsOfMars wrote: »

So in conclusion; why play a game that is too easy? I know that achievement point for killing 100 flesh atronochs is so important so that you can have a new color for your armor so that you can stand out from everyone else because when we cross your path we will stop in our tracks to admire your beautiful, rare color. But back in olden times, believe it or not, there was a gamer code. You let you friend have a go at the boss without grabbing the controller away because you knew you could do better. There was comradery. You didn't sit and watch you friend beat the game because he was better than you. Even if you both knew that he was better. Those days are gone and I wish it wasn't so.

Why do people do things that are too easy on their power level? To get to the other side the achievement via the way of least resistance. Do not let nostalgia blind you, as times have changed a lot (for the better, imo) and not everything was peachy keen back then. Besides, going the way of least resistance was a proven way to get things done back then (doesn't really matter when exactly), it is now, and always will be. Being a real gamer means being good at finding out where the loopholes are and how to game the system itself to your advantage.

WarlordsOfMars wrote: »

As long as I'm ranting, I might as well add one more thing the really irks me. I was out in a vast field of monsters trying out my new skills on my new class, deciding which skill to put in what slot and figuring out which combo works best. When out of nowhere, some dude comes along and plows through my battle. I scoped out the field and I was all alone surrounded by a whole field full of monsters. What the heck? Kill troll? Is that a new thing?

Naw, it's nothing new. Chances are, he was trying to be helpful and got a warm glow inside from thinking he was helping you out in a tight situation. With modern EXP and loot sharing systems, griefing others is no longer possible this way. Welcome to the post-WoW MMO world. ^_^

Tabbycat

I always keep my resto staff handy for when I am running through dungeons and some higher level player is also doing them. I can pop a heal on them and still get xp for the kills even if I can't get in a spell because that other guy killed them too fast. Doing this also helps you level up your resto staff faster.

WraithAzraiel

In one vein, the OP does have a point - the majority (and I mean majority) of strangers (other gamers) you run into in the MMO's nowadays, are ***.

The whole idea of internet anonymity has bred a generation of mean-spirited, "I did it for t3h lulz" knuckleheads.

Now while I disagree that the presence of high level players returning to low level zones to mop up achievements they missed making the game easy, I will very much agree that common courtesy has gone out the window in the past 10 - 15 years. In and out of game.

Just because you can be an ass, doesn't mean you should. Sure somethings are too funny or opportune to pass up but it doesn't mean you should be unfeeling robots. "Screw them, they're internet people, they're not real" They are real and one day, they could be your boss or worse....your in-laws.

poodlemasterb16_ESO

WarlordsOfMars wrote: »

To quote Tyler Durden: "How's that working out for you, being clever? Keep it up then".

Umm, you tried to make a point, not well, and people have responded to that.

They are farming the Dolmens for achievements they do not have, that's why the high level guys are there. That's always gonna happen to some extent. Silver Bolts is the fastest if you are having trouble getting a shot in edgeways.

You want to learn how to fight in this game, go run some 4 person dungeons by yourself. Not really hardcore but getting there.

Soulshine

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

In one vein, the OP does have a point - the majority (and I mean majority) of strangers (other gamers) you run into in the MMO's nowadays, are ***.

The whole idea of internet anonymity has bred a generation of mean-spirited, "I did it for t3h lulz" knuckleheads.

Now while I disagree that the presence of high level players returning to low level zones to mop up achievements they missed making the game easy, I will very much agree that common courtesy has gone out the window in the past 10 - 15 years. In and out of game.

Just because you can be an ass, doesn't mean you should. Sure somethings are too funny or opportune to pass up but it doesn't mean you should be unfeeling robots. "Screw them, they're internet people, they're not real" They are real and one day, they could be your boss or worse....your in-laws.

^^^^