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What all the pro bow users are doing in pvp now.
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butterfly442✭✭✭tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »It is not animation cancelling, it is called light attack weaving.
My point exactly. These attacks are designed to have the animation be played. Its the limiter to how often you use them. Weaving (canceling them) is an exploit. Every other player in Cyrodil (pve people need not worry about the monsters 'weaving' on them, but you can do it TO them) are using this. With my posts, I am using a 2 pronged attack to inform the ones that don't know (so they can use it) and report it as bug abuse.
Yes, I make regular bug reports on it. I even report the people using it. Its funny like that.
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butterfly442✭✭✭michaelb14a_ESO2 wrote: »5 months into the game with weapon and melee/stamina builds being sorely under powered and at the first hint of improvement people start cryin'?
Seriously?
Cheating is cheating. Weaving is animation canceling is cheating. No matter how you look at it, Zos did not intend for you to get extra attacks. Reporting and revealing this technique is crying to you. To me it is getting things fixed.
It needs fixed. Every other character in Cyrodil is doing this now. There are probably billions of little noob characters being created every second to join in on this spam fest.
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42 ...The answer is always... 42FYI - There is no such thing as 'night capping' in a world wide MMO.FYI - There was no paid Beta. When they launched the game the Beta was over, even if you don't think it was.FYI - It's B2P not F2P. There is a difference.FYI - It doesn't take any player skill to mash keys or buttons in this game. The ones that stay alive longer have the better internet connection and speed.FYI - The game is not broken, it still works. It just has 'bugs' that need to be fixed.Balance is a "Bad" thing.
Example: There were hundreds of Jedi and only two Sith in Star Wars. The Jedi wanted, "Balance in the Force" and they got it. Now there are only two Jedi and two Sith.
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✭✭✭✭How many threads do you need to make on the same topic?
Just one more...
Oh yeah, and "Free Beer Tomorrow."
Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
Earn it.
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I could never get the hand of animation cancelling. didn't know how to do it. I though it was like using snipe and cancel the attack with light attack so snipe took shorter to cast.
but i have been shooting rooting tooting all my life with spamming light attack and venom attack since beta. With high stamina regenarion i can shoot forever it seems and it looks like i have been animation cancelling all my TESO life without knowing it. I just assumed light attack was so fast i was legolassing in Cyyrodill. I was even trying to bunny hop with it which actually looks pretty funny.٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
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✭butterfly442 wrote: »michaelb14a_ESO2 wrote: »5 months into the game with weapon and melee/stamina builds being sorely under powered and at the first hint of improvement people start cryin'?
Seriously?
Cheating is cheating. Weaving is animation canceling is cheating. No matter how you look at it, Zos did not intend for you to get extra attacks. Reporting and revealing this technique is crying to you. To me it is getting things fixed.
It needs fixed. Every other character in Cyrodil is doing this now. There are probably billions of little noob characters being created every second to join in on this spam fest.
nope ZOS has stated that while it was not intended, it is not an exploit or cheating. It's an unintended feature.
Stop making stuff up.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.3 -
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✭✭Animation Cancelling is quite mandatory in PvE but you gotta be kidding if you think it's OP in PvP.
I LOVE people who use AC instead of blocking, you can do so much damage and stuns to them and they're not even able to do anything back.
In PvP, the rule is simple, block or die.
Nope, holding block is one of the biggest mistake u can do.
Play against a good NB and hold block.. U will run out of Stam and then u get a nice fear in ur face. Psssht.. u can't block it btw
Same against caltrops (nice against blocking Dks)
U only need to block against shards, shield charge, that templer *** and maybe other strong skills, but u can do this with animation canceling.R.I.P Dawnbreaker / Auriel´s Bow
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✭I think what the OP post is trying to explain is the huuuuge influx of macro players.
You open with snipe, then follow up with a heavy attack which connects almost at the same time as snipe, and then you press your macro button for the sequenced instant light + venom arrow attacks = insta-dead target.- The Psijic Order
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✭butterfly442 wrote: »michaelb14a_ESO2 wrote: »5 months into the game with weapon and melee/stamina builds being sorely under powered and at the first hint of improvement people start cryin'?
Seriously?
Cheating is cheating. Weaving is animation canceling is cheating. No matter how you look at it, Zos did not intend for you to get extra attacks. Reporting and revealing this technique is crying to you. To me it is getting things fixed.
It needs fixed. Every other character in Cyrodil is doing this now. There are probably billions of little noob characters being created every second to join in on this spam fest.
erm, like it or hate it ZOS stated that it's not cheating. It's unexpected but not an exploit.
This thread reads like the hate /tells I get from people I kill with the bow, I get messages from people on my faction claiming my 1.4k snipe isn't powerful enough and I get messages from the enemy that I don't even use snipe on moaning that bow is OP because I killed them 1v1.
That's before you get to the forums and the freak out you get the moment you say that bow's a pretty solid weapon.0 -
kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭butterfly442 wrote: »michaelb14a_ESO2 wrote: »5 months into the game with weapon and melee/stamina builds being sorely under powered and at the first hint of improvement people start cryin'?
Seriously?
Cheating is cheating. Weaving is animation canceling is cheating. No matter how you look at it, Zos did not intend for you to get extra attacks. Reporting and revealing this technique is crying to you. To me it is getting things fixed.
It needs fixed. Every other character in Cyrodil is doing this now. There are probably billions of little noob characters being created every second to join in on this spam fest.
Aside from the fact ZOS specifically said it was not cheating I'll take your word for it.
It really is all about weapon damage that is why you see more DK's and Sorcs using bow than NBs.0 -
thorspark✭✭✭@Soulac :
When I see those "good" NBs, I have my immovable slotted to avoid fear. And blocking when attacking (melee weapon) prevents you from getting CCed, Stunned from behind while you finish you target (the one that can't move because he wasn't blocking when you charged him and was put to the ground).
And a target on the ground is a dead target.
And yeah, charges do pass over caltrops too.DK Vet 12 / NB Vampire Vet 7 / Sorcerer Vet 5 / Templar WW - Guilde Les pochtrons0 -
MorHawk✭✭✭✭✭CapuchinSeven wrote: »erm, like it or hate it ZOS stated that it's not cheating. It's unexpected but not an exploit.
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That's before you get to the forums and the freak out you get the moment you say that bow's a pretty solid weapon.
That quote's really been stretched. She said it isn't an exploit, but that's far from an endorsement. There's a difference between "right" and "not wrong".
And, as ever, your blinkeredness on bows, just because they work in a PVP setting, is facepalm-worthy. Kinda makes me think of a guy running a clothing store that only sells his size, and wondering why people are upset.Edited by MorHawk on September 2, 2014 2:07PMI can count to potato.
WWJLHD?Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »another topic that cant see past its own farts.0 -
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Is there any need to copy/paste this sentence 900,000,000,000 billion times?AlienDiplomat wrote: »Rock: Nerf paper, scissors is fine.
Scissors: Nerf rock, paper is fine.
Paper: Nerf Scissors, rock is fine.
It stopped sounding smart after the first billion people copying it.2 -
kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭CapuchinSeven wrote: »erm, like it or hate it ZOS stated that it's not cheating. It's unexpected but not an exploit.
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That's before you get to the forums and the freak out you get the moment you say that bow's a pretty solid weapon.
That quote's really been stretched. She said it isn't an exploit, but that's far from an endorsement. There's a difference between "right" and "not wrong".
And, as ever, your blinkeredness on bows, just because they work in a PVP setting, is facepalm-worthy. Kinda makes me think of a guy running a clothing store that only sells his size, and wondering why people are upset.
The game has been out 5 months. Pretty much every video and strategy guide have all mentioned it. It has been posted about hundreds of times on this forum and every ESO forum and reddit time and time again. ESO acknowledged that they know it is happening and is not an exploit. It is pretty much impossible to make the argument that ZOS doesn't know exactly how much it is used. Yet they have never put in anything to change it, have never mentioned any intent to change it and have never said anything negative about the use of it. How much more do you really need to know that ZOS knows it is used and doesn't care?2 -
MorHawk✭✭✭✭✭The game has been out 5 months. Pretty much every video and strategy guide have all mentioned it. It has been posted about hundreds of times on this forum and every ESO forum and reddit time and time again. ESO acknowledged that they know it is happening and is not an exploit. It is pretty much impossible to make the argument that ZOS doesn't know exactly how much it is used. Yet they have never put in anything to change it, have never mentioned any intent to change it and have never said anything negative about the use of it. How much more do you really need to know that ZOS knows it is used and doesn't care?
Strawman. I'm not saying that they're not aware of it. There are a whole load of issues that have been extant for the lifetime of this game that haven't been fixed yet. Champion System, Werewolves, stamina vs magicka balance, class balance... forgive them if they've got a lot on their plate to chew through. Sorting out animation cancelling is going to require a huge rewrite. I know I wouldn't go near it until I had a handle on the rest first. Given that, would you think it wise to even say "we're working on it"? They're already getting screamed at over the loyalty system promised in September, and we're only two days in.Edited by MorHawk on September 2, 2014 2:29PMI can count to potato.
WWJLHD?Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »another topic that cant see past its own farts.3 -
kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭The game has been out 5 months. Pretty much every video and strategy guide have all mentioned it. It has been posted about hundreds of times on this forum and every ESO forum and reddit time and time again. ESO acknowledged that they know it is happening and is not an exploit. It is pretty much impossible to make the argument that ZOS doesn't know exactly how much it is used. Yet they have never put in anything to change it, have never mentioned any intent to change it and have never said anything negative about the use of it. How much more do you really need to know that ZOS knows it is used and doesn't care?
Strawman. I'm not saying that they're not aware of it. There are a whole load of issues that have been extant for the lifetime of this game that haven't been fixed yet. Champion System, Werewolves, stamina vs magicka balance, class balance... forgive them if they've got a lot on their plate to chew through. Sorting out animation cancelling is going to require a huge rewrite. I know I wouldn't go near it until I had a handle on the rest first.
Look up the definition of straw man, that is not what a straw man is. In fact your rebuttal is much closer to a straw man argument. I pointed out that the game developers are aware of the situation and have not ever said it was a problem, that they intend to change any aspect of it and have gone as far as to say it isn't an exploit. Your rebuttal is to point out a completely different argument about totally separate topics almost all of which they have acknowledged that there is a problem with and said they are working on fixes for. It is your assumption they are "sorting out animation canceling" and your conclusion is based on them working on unrelated topics as a premise and you never cited anywhere they said they were going to change it.1 -
MorHawk✭✭✭✭✭Look up the definition of straw man, that is not what a straw man is. In fact your rebuttal is much closer to a straw man argument. I pointed out that the game developers are aware of the situation and have not ever said it was a problem, that they intend to change any aspect of it and have gone as far as to say it isn't an exploit. Your rebuttal is to point out a completely different argument about totally separate topics almost all of which they have acknowledged that there is a problem with and said they are working on fixes for. It is your assumption they are "sorting out animation canceling" and your conclusion is based on them working on unrelated topics as a premise and you never cited anywhere they said they were going to change it.
Frig, I'm getting tired of debating logical fallacies on here.
Me: There's a difference between "right" and "not wrong".
You: It is pretty much impossible to make the argument that ZOS doesn't know exactly how much it is used.
Me: I didn't make any claim that ZOS was ignorant of it.
If you don't see it, I'm done trying to spell it out. Enjoy your fantasy world.Edited by MorHawk on September 2, 2014 2:45PMI can count to potato.
WWJLHD?Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »another topic that cant see past its own farts.2 -
kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭Look up the definition of straw man, that is not what a straw man is. In fact your rebuttal is much closer to a straw man argument. I pointed out that the game developers are aware of the situation and have not ever said it was a problem, that they intend to change any aspect of it and have gone as far as to say it isn't an exploit. Your rebuttal is to point out a completely different argument about totally separate topics almost all of which they have acknowledged that there is a problem with and said they are working on fixes for. It is your assumption they are "sorting out animation canceling" and your conclusion is based on them working on unrelated topics as a premise and you never cited anywhere they said they were going to change it.
Frig, I'm getting tired of debating logical fallacies on here.
Me: There's a difference between "right" and "not wrong".
You: It is pretty much impossible to make the argument that ZOS doesn't know exactly how much it is used.
Me: I didn't make any claim that ZOS was ignorant of it.
If you don't see it, I'm done trying to spell it out. Enjoy your fantasy world.
Then learn more about logical fallacies and quit using them in rebuttals.
You: A is wrong because I know it is
Me: The only statements ZOS has made said A wasn't wrong, please provide some evidence to back up your premise
You: No it is wrong because of X, Y, Z unrelated topics
Me: Those have nothing to do with topic A
You: I'm tired of arguing logical fallacies.3 -
ArconSeptim✭✭✭✭This OP is whiner, I had enourmuous count of NB encounter and they all got killed or run away from me, I'm a DK and this is not a template for others, they key is just knowing how to counter idiots with bows.1
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kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭ArconSeptim wrote: »This OP is whiner, I had enourmuous count of NB encounter and they all got killed or run away from me, I'm a DK and this is not a template for others, they key is just knowing how to counter idiots with bows.
DK counter = Green Dragon blood, hold block can't be killed by physical damage. Not Rocket Surgery.2 -
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Good thing that the noobs are learning to animation cancel. That means they are learning to play the game effectively.butterfly442 wrote: »michaelb14a_ESO2 wrote: »5 months into the game with weapon and melee/stamina builds being sorely under powered and at the first hint of improvement people start cryin'?
Seriously?
Cheating is cheating. Weaving is animation canceling is cheating. No matter how you look at it, Zos did not intend for you to get extra attacks. Reporting and revealing this technique is crying to you. To me it is getting things fixed.
It needs fixed. Every other character in Cyrodil is doing this now. There are probably billions of little noob characters being created every second to join in on this spam fest.2 -
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✭✭tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »It is not animation cancelling, it is called light attack weaving.
Its not murder, its rapid life expectancy reduction.
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Kewljag_66_ESO✭✭✭✭✭ArconSeptim wrote: »This OP is whiner, I had enourmuous count of NB encounter and they all got killed or run away from me, I'm a DK and this is not a template for others, they key is just knowing how to counter idiots with bows.
DK counter = Green Dragon blood, hold block can't be killed by physical damage. Not Rocket Surgery.
Until they run out of stamina, then blocking does nothing. DW flurry's combined with NB ability Dark Shades will drain a blocking DKs stamina pretty fast. If a DK is spending all his magika on heals he is not doing any damage to you or will have anything left to hurt you with. Basically with DKs you just have to empty their resource pools to beat them but it is much easier than you would think.2 -
MorHawk✭✭✭✭✭Kewljag_66_ESO wrote: »Until they run out of stamina, then blocking does nothing. DW flurry's combined with NB ability Dark Shades will drain a blocking DKs stamina pretty fast. If a DK is spending all his magika on heals he is not doing any damage to you or will have anything left to hurt you with. Basically with DKs you just have to empty their resource pools to beat them but it is much easier than you would think.
Interesting point there. What determines how much stamina is consumed when blocking? If, as above, rapid small attacks drain stamina fastest, that would imply that there is a material fixed quantity involved. I'm curious to crunch the numbers now.I can count to potato.
WWJLHD?Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »another topic that cant see past its own farts.0 -
Kewljag_66_ESO✭✭✭✭✭As sniper spec bow NB I open with this.
Snipe, as I release the shot I start to charge heavy attack and release it slightly after Snipe hits, When you release the heavy attack you can also instantly do a poison arrow and follow it with a very fast light shot. So yes you can land all this in about 1 second if you time it right.
I do not use Mark the Target because it would ruin my burst chain if used after snipe. If you open with it most people see it and hide or block.
I use the Haste Morph Incapacitate, because i really like the heavy attack damage bonus as well as every 7th attack immobolizing the target.
My sustained damage chain is heavy attack, followed by an instant poison arrow and instant light attack.0 -
kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭Kewljag_66_ESO wrote: »ArconSeptim wrote: »This OP is whiner, I had enourmuous count of NB encounter and they all got killed or run away from me, I'm a DK and this is not a template for others, they key is just knowing how to counter idiots with bows.
DK counter = Green Dragon blood, hold block can't be killed by physical damage. Not Rocket Surgery.
Until they run out of stamina, then blocking does nothing. DW flurry's combined with NB ability Dark Shades will drain a blocking DKs stamina pretty fast. If a DK is spending all his magika on heals he is not doing any damage to you or will have anything left to hurt you with. Basically with DKs you just have to empty their resource pools to beat them but it is much easier than you would think.
It actually takes quite a long time to run them out of stamina. Also Green Dragon Blood buffs stamina regen by 30%. By this point in the game most PvPers are eating the purple food that buffs all three stats. Even with no points in Stamina, no gear and no glyphs in it I hit over 1500 stam. Not to mention DK's have passives that restore stamina and they can get a ton back by using the cheapest ultimate in the game.0 -
BRogueNZ✭✭✭✭✭All while standing in their face as well.
The combo is better than melee even without the snipe opener.0