What all the pro bow users are doing in pvp now.

butterfly442

First, throw all your gear away and get only gear that will increase your weapon damage. Hundings... Molag... and the pro gold Glyphs that give 13 weapon damage for all 3 jewelry pieces. Even as a vamp ignore fire resist. Who cares about that noob stuff if you can machine gun down everything standing anyway.

Collect every and all skill passives that give extra weapon damage. Grab the haste buff and prebuff it while in stealth. (Or don't, does not really matter.)

Toss on marked target if you are a Nightblade. (This part is not necessary. But its funny.)

Open with Snipe. Big damage if they dont get their shield up. (Or all 6 of their shields.)

Fire light attack.

Cancel its animation with Venom arrow.

Light attack

Venom arrow.

Continue on this track until target dead.

Or Zenimax could fix all this animation canceling and let people play the way they want to.

david271749

It's not just bow users who do this.

TheBull

Hooold on, you mean people who use weapons stack all the weapon dmg they can find!

Elyna

Whats all this about animation cancelling?

Tabbycat

How many threads do you need to make on the same topic?

grimjim398

Just hold on, brave soldier. Maybe ZOS will win this fight for you by changing the way the game works to suit what you want. I mean, animation canceling is so unfair because, you know, everybody can use it... Wait a minute...

Sarenia

Nothing to see here. Move along.

butterfly442

Elyna wrote: »

Whats all this about animation cancelling?

You notice all the other people trying to make light of the situation.

Lots of information on the boards about it. Just search.

Don't want to keep rewriting it and [snip] all the morons off because it is being talked about.

They want to hide it so they can keep being pro in pvp.

But now that everyone is finding out about it, they will on par. Then it will only come down to ping. Or Zenimax can fix the issue. Make all these noobs have to actually play.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

Phinix1

This has nothing to do with weapon cancelling.

I don't even play a nightblade, or use bow, OR PVP, and even I know this is just another thread trying to get what they want by making generalizing assumptions about a playstyle they recently got killed by.

Rock: Nerf paper, scissors is fine.
Scissors: Nerf rock, paper is fine.
Paper: Nerf Scissors, rock is fine.

I am so sick of this crap, but mostly because ZOS more than any other gaming company in my 20 years of gaming seems to bend over backwards to cater to it, which just encourages more uninformed assumption threads like this. No offense OP.

A staff and light armor player could just as easily stack spell damage and magicka (more easily, actually), and hold block while spamming an instant cast ability after putting 3 or 4 shields on themselves.

"OMG! We should take away all instant cast abilities! Or give you a 3 second cooldown on being able to block after using an instant cast ability."

More amazing to me than the ridiculousness of this post is that ANY stamina user has managed to find ANY build that is even REMOTELY competitive in ANYTHING.

The balance between magicka and stamina users is sickeningly bad to the point of being a deal breaker in this game, for me, personally. Your mileage may vary.

Nothing is stopping you from light attacking before any ability you use. Why don't YOU learn to play instead of crying for ZOS to change the way the game is built because you don't like how everyone ELSE is playing?

Just a thought.

Soloeus

Pew Pew!

You can do it with any skill, so whats your problem?

And everyone who gets hooked on Canceling soon figures out that they are always out of mana and burn potions at a very unnatural and expensive rate. And the reason people don't talk about it, is because the only people who really care are the vocal minority who complain about it.

There are good arguments against it (It allows turbo DPS) but the arguments are often skewed (The DPS burst doesn't last). You can kill trash mobs faster, but in real situations you have to monitor your resources. Best to learn how to do it, and identify others doing it (by their speed-casting) in PVP so you can kill them when they run dry.

DieAlteHexe

Got yer butt kicked, eh.

Well, it happens. Not sure that the particulars you cite are limited to bow users and/or PvP.

Circuitous

Elyna wrote: »

Whats all this about animation cancelling?

The recovery animation of attacks (after the hit) can be canceled by skills.

If that skill is an instant skill, it will fire immediately and you can cancel that skill's recovery animation by blocking, bashing, or another attack.

Some skills that have lengthy firing animations are still technically instant. By blocking, bashing, or attacking immediately after firing the skill, you'll see them animate much quicker (again, because they're instant).

Some folks consider this cheating. Coming from fighting games, we'd call those people scrubs.

P.S. there's a link in my signature if you want to weigh-on on the topic.

LtCrunch

Soloeus wrote: »

Pew Pew!

You can do it with any skill, so whats your problem?

And everyone who gets hooked on Canceling soon figures out that they are always out of mana and burn potions at a very unnatural and expensive rate. And the reason people don't talk about it, is because the only people who really care are the vocal minority who complain about it.

There are good arguments against it (It allows turbo DPS) but the arguments are often skewed (The DPS burst doesn't last). You can kill trash mobs faster, but in real situations you have to monitor your resources. Best to learn how to do it, and identify others doing it (by their speed-casting) in PVP so you can kill them when they run dry.

Animation canceling and light/heavy attacks are central to many endgame builds for trials, not for burst but for sustain as well. The top endgame NB DPS build I'm aware of out there right now relies heavily on animation canceling and attack weaving to do competitive DPS(1k+ sustained) in trials.

Zabus

I can easily stack spell damage enchants, light attack crushing shock/funnel/etc get sets that stack my spell damage/crit and do the EXACT same thing.

This isn't something only bow users are doing, it's something that's been going on for a while now.

/thread

dmarkle70b14_ESO

OP Determined to change the name of Cyrodiil to CRYodiil..one post at a time

hammer_fella

I'm a pro bow user (I prefer the term "archer," but suit yourself).

I'm not doing this.

DDuke

I will venture a wild guess and assume the op has a vampire character wearing 7/7 light armour, with batswarm and impulse on his bar and hasn't deemed getting over 3k health important at all.

I might be wrong of course.

jelliedsoup

I use bow and sort of do this, but also use my build for melee as well.

Anyhoo. I get killed this way, and I kill people this way. The problem is....

Marthenil

This is fine and dandy until you meet a DK and all your attacks are useless.
Scissors, meet rock.

tordr86b16_ESO

It is not animation cancelling, it is called light attack weaving.

Reiterpallasch

That's a strange way of writing "Switch to light armor and staff".

timidobserver

Or pick up a shield and lol @ lethal arrow. On about the 4-5th venom arrow start cc spamming. Their stam should be low at that point.

Shennynerd

What's all this about Haste working with bows?

Arsenic_Touch

So bows are actually useful for once and can do what you can pretty much do with spell damage and spamming certain skills and now it suddenly needs to be "fixed".... riight.

Phinix1

It's the old "cry until my character/build automatically wins every fight" mentality.

Right up there with "balance by nerf."

michaelb14a_ESO2

5 months into the game with weapon and melee/stamina builds being sorely under powered and at the first hint of improvement people start cryin'?

Seriously?

thorspark

Animation Cancelling is quite mandatory in PvE but you gotta be kidding if you think it's OP in PvP.

I LOVE people who use AC instead of blocking, you can do so much damage and stuns to them and they're not even able to do anything back.
In PvP, the rule is simple, block or die.

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO

Shennynerd wrote: »

What's all this about Haste working with bows?

Haste is irrelevant because animation canceling allows you to attack much faster than the haste bonus and without using up a skill slot.

I use animation canceling too but a different rotation than the one you see here and it gives me an effective dps around 1400-1500 with a bow.

The only thing haste can do is to increase heavy attack damage but if you have time to fire a heavy attack you are usually better off using lethal arrow in that situation.

butterfly442

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

This has nothing to do with weapon cancelling.

I don't even play a nightblade, or use bow, OR PVP, and even I know this is just another thread trying to get what they want by making generalizing assumptions about a playstyle they recently got killed by.

Rock: Nerf paper, scissors is fine.
Scissors: Nerf rock, paper is fine.
Paper: Nerf Scissors, rock is fine.

I am so sick of this crap, but mostly because ZOS more than any other gaming company in my 20 years of gaming seems to bend over backwards to cater to it, which just encourages more uninformed assumption threads like this. No offense OP.

A staff and light armor player could just as easily stack spell damage and magicka (more easily, actually), and hold block while spamming an instant cast ability after putting 3 or 4 shields on themselves.

"OMG! We should take away all instant cast abilities! Or give you a 3 second cooldown on being able to block after using an instant cast ability."

More amazing to me than the ridiculousness of this post is that ANY stamina user has managed to find ANY build that is even REMOTELY competitive in ANYTHING.

The balance between magicka and stamina users is sickeningly bad to the point of being a deal breaker in this game, for me, personally. Your mileage may vary.

Nothing is stopping you from light attacking before any ability you use. Why don't YOU learn to play instead of crying for ZOS to change the way the game is built because you don't like how everyone ELSE is playing?

Just a thought.

Try it. Venom arrow then light attack. Mash both buttons for all you are worth. Set up a macro and tear something up before it can move.

NOT WORKING AS INTENDED.

(Also, many other combinations this works with.)

But you did point out the main point for me. You don't play these classes. You don't pvp.

And remember, the light attack cancels out the animation for the venom arrow. The venom arrow cancels the animation for the light attack. L2P.

Marthenil

butterfly442 wrote: »

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

This has nothing to do with weapon cancelling.

I don't even play a nightblade, or use bow, OR PVP, and even I know this is just another thread trying to get what they want by making generalizing assumptions about a playstyle they recently got killed by.

Rock: Nerf paper, scissors is fine.
Scissors: Nerf rock, paper is fine.
Paper: Nerf Scissors, rock is fine.

I am so sick of this crap, but mostly because ZOS more than any other gaming company in my 20 years of gaming seems to bend over backwards to cater to it, which just encourages more uninformed assumption threads like this. No offense OP.

A staff and light armor player could just as easily stack spell damage and magicka (more easily, actually), and hold block while spamming an instant cast ability after putting 3 or 4 shields on themselves.

"OMG! We should take away all instant cast abilities! Or give you a 3 second cooldown on being able to block after using an instant cast ability."

More amazing to me than the ridiculousness of this post is that ANY stamina user has managed to find ANY build that is even REMOTELY competitive in ANYTHING.

The balance between magicka and stamina users is sickeningly bad to the point of being a deal breaker in this game, for me, personally. Your mileage may vary.

Nothing is stopping you from light attacking before any ability you use. Why don't YOU learn to play instead of crying for ZOS to change the way the game is built because you don't like how everyone ELSE is playing?

Just a thought.

Try it. Venom arrow then light attack. Mash both buttons for all you are worth. Set up a macro and tear something up before it can move.

NOT WORKING AS INTENDED.

(Also, many other combinations this works with.)

But you did point out the main point for me. You don't play these classes. You don't pvp.

And remember, the light attack cancels out the animation for the venom arrow. The venom arrow cancels the animation for the light attack. L2P.

As a nightblade, with that haste morph for heavy attacks, I found heavy attacks and poison arrow works better than simple light attacks

butterfly442

DDuke wrote: »

I will venture a wild guess and assume the op has a vampire character wearing 7/7 light armour, with batswarm and impulse on his bar and hasn't deemed getting over 3k health important at all.

I might be wrong of course.

Nightblade.

5/7 light armor. 2/7 heavy.

My impulse it at level 1. Never used it.

Never used batswarm. Shooting star is better for how I play.

Hpts are 3300.

Glad you can toss all that out there assuming you know what you are talking about.

Make up more stuff to suit your argument.

Oh, you don't even have an argument. You just made up a bunch of lies to suit.... nothing.

And, yes, you are wrong.