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Which do you prefer? Fixed bugs or New Content.

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So I've been playing ESO since beta and it seems to me that the Zos dev team puts New Conent>Fixing Bugs/Exploits. How do you as the player feel about their prioritization in this matter?
Edited by heyguyslol on August 29, 2014 2:47PM
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Which do you prefer? Fixed bugs or New Content. 144 votes

I want Zos to focus their efforts more on fixing in game bugs/exploits rather than adding new content to the game.
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I like the bugs/exploits fine and I would rather them add more content to the game.
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I don't care either way.
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  • smeeprocketnub19_ESO
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    umm why is there no both option, because the teams working on them are not the same.
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  • Zebug
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    I like the bugs/exploits fine and I would rather them add more content to the game.
    I just haven't had many bugs, other than quest bugs that I'd just put to the side until the next patch would fix them. So voted for content
  • heyguyslol
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    I want Zos to focus their efforts more on fixing in game bugs/exploits rather than adding new content to the game.
    umm why is there no both option, because the teams working on them are not the same.

    While this is true it's because imo they need to prioritize their funding to the proper dept for what the players want.

    Their current approach imo is not working which is why I created this poll.
    Edited by heyguyslol on August 29, 2014 2:51PM
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  • heyguyslol
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    I want Zos to focus their efforts more on fixing in game bugs/exploits rather than adding new content to the game.
    Zebug wrote: »
    I just haven't had many bugs, other than quest bugs that I'd just put to the side until the next patch would fix them. So voted for content

    Thats np thats what the poll is for. Depending on what you do in the game will greatly determine the out come of this poll.

    If I were still questing and thats all I had an interest in I would probably agree with your decision as the quest bugs have gotten better.
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  • Sindala
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    *sighs* .....every week a new post like this and every week we have to explain they are 2 different departments, both working on separate things.....not the same department sharing work desks...... *sigh*
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  • heyguyslol
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    I want Zos to focus their efforts more on fixing in game bugs/exploits rather than adding new content to the game.
    Sindala wrote: »
    *sighs* .....every week a new post like this and every week we have to explain they are 2 different departments, both working on separate things.....not the same department sharing work desks...... *sigh*

    While we all know this it doesn't change the fact that funding has to be applied to each team/dept. The point of the poll as I mentioned earlier is that I do not feel the funding is being balanced between the two for the better overall progression of the game.

    Funding should be applied to the Team/Dept that the player base feels the game needs more.

    Either put more funding into new Content or Fixing Bugs/Exploits.

    Its not rocket science.
    Edited by heyguyslol on August 29, 2014 3:00PM
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  • Elsonso
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    Both.

    Fixes when available.

    New content when available.
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  • KariTR
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    I like the bugs/exploits fine and I would rather them add more content to the game.
    Only one game-stopping bug encountered in 5 months and I found a workaround very quickly on the CS forums. Naturally I would opt for more content please.
  • heyguyslol
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    I want Zos to focus their efforts more on fixing in game bugs/exploits rather than adding new content to the game.
    KariTR wrote: »
    Only one game-stopping bug encountered in 5 months and I found a workaround very quickly on the CS forums. Naturally I would opt for more content please.

    I do both PVE and PVP, while doing both I have found that the PVE content to be less buggy. However, while doing pvp I have found the game to be very buggy and full of class specific exploits that are very frustrating while playing.

    If I were just a pve player I would probably vote for more content but I'm not I do both and until Zos can fix the foundation of the game adding more content just seems to add more bugs and exploits. Imo fix the game to about 90% functionality and then add more content.
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  • TehMagnus
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    I like the bugs/exploits fine and I would rather them add more content to the game.
    What bugs? You don't even know what a bug is. I crush them bugs. No but honestly, except from PVP which is broken and I don't even go there anymore, I don't see any bugs after reaching VR12 so more content please :)
  • Zebug
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    I like the bugs/exploits fine and I would rather them add more content to the game.
    Zebug wrote: »
    I just haven't had many bugs, other than quest bugs that I'd just put to the side until the next patch would fix them. So voted for content

    Thats np thats what the poll is for. Depending on what you do in the game will greatly determine the out come of this poll.

    If I were still questing and thats all I had an interest in I would probably agree with your decision as the quest bugs have gotten better.


    A poll is how it relates to the person making the vote, so you can't tell me that isn't how the poll was intended. A person should always vote what is best for himself/herself not what that person thinks is best of everyone else. If everyone votes for what is best for themselves then what is best for the majority will naturally rise to the top.

    So, because I don't see bugs, I can only vote for content as it would be a waste of time fixing bugs that don't exist in my world.
    Edited by Zebug on August 29, 2014 3:14PM
  • tplink3r1
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    I like the bugs/exploits fine and I would rather them add more content to the game.
    i didnt notice many bugs after the first month.
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  • heyguyslol
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    I want Zos to focus their efforts more on fixing in game bugs/exploits rather than adding new content to the game.
    Zebug wrote: »
    Zebug wrote: »
    I just haven't had many bugs, other than quest bugs that I'd just put to the side until the next patch would fix them. So voted for content

    Thats np thats what the poll is for. Depending on what you do in the game will greatly determine the out come of this poll.

    If I were still questing and thats all I had an interest in I would probably agree with your decision as the quest bugs have gotten better.


    A poll is how it relates to the person making the vote, so you can't tell me that isn't how the poll was intended. A person should always vote what is best for himself/herself not what that person thinks is best of everyone else. If everyone votes for what is best for themselves then what is best for the majority will naturally rise to the top.

    So, because I don't see bugs, I can only vote for content as it would be a waste of time fixing bugs that don't exist in my world.


    There are a ton of bugs in the game that really inhibit game play depending on what you are doing in the game. Just because what you do in the game you do not seem to experience bugs or exploits doesn't mean they don't exist.

    Making a poll just allows us to see what players would want to have more of, more Content or more game Stability.
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  • Zebug
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    I like the bugs/exploits fine and I would rather them add more content to the game.
    and you got butt hurt when I didn't vote your way and told me that I read the poll wrong. For ME, I prefer new content. I'm sure most would say otherwise, but I'm still allowed to have my voice.
  • Xeres14
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    I want Zos to focus their efforts more on fixing in game bugs/exploits rather than adding new content to the game.
    Well if they had to do one OR the other fixing the bugs is a much bigger priority. Maybe they'll figure something out that will stop future bugs from being released in new content.
  • heyguyslol
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    I want Zos to focus their efforts more on fixing in game bugs/exploits rather than adding new content to the game.
    Zebug wrote: »
    and you got butt hurt when I didn't vote your way and told me that I read the poll wrong. For ME, I prefer new content. I'm sure most would say otherwise, but I'm still allowed to have my voice.

    I would only be "butt hurt" if u didnt voice your opinion. Everyone's opinion counts whether it is in favor of mine or not.
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  • heyguyslol
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    I want Zos to focus their efforts more on fixing in game bugs/exploits rather than adding new content to the game.
    Xeres14 wrote: »
    Well if they had to do one OR the other fixing the bugs is a much bigger priority. Maybe they'll figure something out that will stop future bugs from being released in new content.

    I guess think of this more of like pvp focus fire. When you do small group pvp you want to focus fire your enemy group instead of attacking each enemy separately which takes much longer and most likely will end in defeat. I want focus fire on fixing bugs/exploits.

    Get that done and then add new content. Gotta have a good foundation to a house before you can build. Unfortunately for those of us who played ESO since beta know full well that this game had a horrible foundation (but with a beautiful house) and still needs a lot of work.
    Edited by heyguyslol on August 29, 2014 3:48PM
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  • KariTR
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    I like the bugs/exploits fine and I would rather them add more content to the game.
    KariTR wrote: »
    Only one game-stopping bug encountered in 5 months and I found a workaround very quickly on the CS forums. Naturally I would opt for more content please.

    I do both PVE and PVP, while doing both I have found that the PVE content to be less buggy. However, while doing pvp I have found the game to be very buggy and full of class specific exploits that are very frustrating while playing.

    If I were just a pve player I would probably vote for more content but I'm not I do both and until Zos can fix the foundation of the game adding more content just seems to add more bugs and exploits. Imo fix the game to about 90% functionality and then add more content.

    I do both PvE and PvP, well really only PvP at the moment, hence why I chose "more content".
  • Phantax
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    Not a matter of what I 'prefer' BOTH should be a high priority for Zenimax !
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  • heyguyslol
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    I want Zos to focus their efforts more on fixing in game bugs/exploits rather than adding new content to the game.
    Phantax wrote: »
    Not a matter of what I 'prefer' BOTH should be a high priority for Zenimax !

    Understandable, but my main complaint is we are now getting our 2nd new content patch with the game only being out for 4 months and yet there are still game inhibiting bugs that they still have not yet been fixed. It's pretty frustrating to see bugs or broken mechanics in the game that have been in the game since launch but yet they are adding new content instead of fixing those problems.
    Edited by heyguyslol on August 29, 2014 3:53PM
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  • DenverRalphy
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    umm why is there no both option, because the teams working on them are not the same.

    While this is true it's because imo they need to prioritize their funding to the proper dept for what the players want.

    Their current approach imo is not working which is why I created this poll.

    Prioritize how exactly? The content developers are employees that need to be paid. If they're not developing content, they're still drawing a paycheck. Having them sit on their hands accomplishes nothing. They're not coders, they're artists that write material, design and create 3D models, build terrain etc...

    The only way you could possibly "prioritize funding", would be to stop paying them. Lay them off, and you'd have a dickens of a time trying to re-hire those positions when needed later because few qualified in the industry would work for a company that performed in that manner.
  • heyguyslol
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    I want Zos to focus their efforts more on fixing in game bugs/exploits rather than adding new content to the game.
    umm why is there no both option, because the teams working on them are not the same.

    While this is true it's because imo they need to prioritize their funding to the proper dept for what the players want.

    Their current approach imo is not working which is why I created this poll.

    Prioritize how exactly? The content developers are employees that need to be paid. If they're not developing content, they're still drawing a paycheck. Having them sit on their hands accomplishes nothing. They're not coders, they're artists that write material, design and create 3D models, build terrain etc...

    The only way you could possibly "prioritize funding", would be to stop paying them. Lay them off, and you'd have a dickens of a time trying to re-hire those positions when needed later because few qualified in the industry would work for a company that performed in that manner.

    Game companies do this all the time and anyone working in the game industry knows that most are freelance artist anyways. Whether they work for a company for 2 months or 2 years. There's no job security in the gaming industry. You take the job u do the work until u are no longer needed then move on to your next job. Its the same game in the movie industry unless u get in with a big company like ILM and even then some of their employees are only freelance too.
    Edited by heyguyslol on August 29, 2014 4:00PM
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  • Braddass
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    It is generally not an either or situation. For the most part, the staff that fixes bugs is not he same people who create new content.
  • heyguyslol
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    I want Zos to focus their efforts more on fixing in game bugs/exploits rather than adding new content to the game.
    Braddass wrote: »
    It is generally not an either or situation. For the most part, the staff that fixes bugs is not he same people who create new content.

    That has already been clarified in previous posts.
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  • driosketch
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    I like the bugs/exploits fine and I would rather them add more content to the game.
    There are going to be bugs either way. I say bring on the new content.
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  • heyguyslol
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    I want Zos to focus their efforts more on fixing in game bugs/exploits rather than adding new content to the game.
    driosketch wrote: »
    There are going to be bugs either way. I say bring on the new content.

    True no game is without bugs but ESO has an exceedingly amount of bugs based on my game experience in pve and pvp. I've played about 15 different mmo's over the coarse period of 1998-2014 and ESO has imo proven to be one of the most buggiest mmo games that I have played. Age of Conan is 2nd in line. As much as I dispise Blizzard Entertainment I will say atleast they have competent coders that can provide game stability with minimal bugs. I only wish Zos could hire coders with the same competence.
    Edited by heyguyslol on August 29, 2014 4:33PM
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  • heyguyslol
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    I want Zos to focus their efforts more on fixing in game bugs/exploits rather than adding new content to the game.
    FYI we still have not gotten a fix to the nice P1.3 memory leak Zos gave us and still no word from them on when they plan to fix it but hey we are getting new content so that makes it ok.

    Sure I dont mind my game client crashing every 1-2 hours as long as I get new content.

    The way I'm seeing ESO is I have this nice $100,000 car that looks amazing but its got a cracked radiator and every few miles the car over heats and breaks down so instead of Zos fixing the radiator they instead decide to upgrade my rims and tires of the car. Sure the car make break down every few miles but hey it's got new rims and tires. Hell I can sit on the side of the road while my car cools off from overheating and just stare at my new rims and tires.

    This is exactly how I feel everytime I see my char getting bombarded in pvp and

    1. My weapon bar wont swap
    2. Break Free isnt providing the cc immunity as it should
    3. Spells and abilities aren't casting after spamming my button over and over.

    I could go on and on with the broken mechanics and bugs but I think my point is clear.
    Edited by heyguyslol on August 29, 2014 4:53PM
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  • JessieColt
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    OP, you seem not to understand how a game company works. This 'funding' you talk about isn't determined by some board of directors vote in a back office picking and choosing how much money each team is given to work on a project.

    They are employees, paid a standard wage, just like everyone else who has a job in the real world that gets a paycheck.

    What you are advocating by asking for 'funding' to be moved from one team to another is firing people who are doing a job on one team so that the company can use the money that would have gone towards those peoples paycheck and instead use it to hire someone else to work on a different team.

    You cannot just move one team member to a different team. They have different job skills. Someone who is a graphic artist, hired to build new zones doesn't have the skills or knowledge to QA bug test the code itself looking for issues and conflicts.

    The game needs both new content and the fixing of issues affecting existing content. Without one, you cannot have the other.

    And advocating firing people is never a good response.
  • kevlarto_ESO
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    I don't care either way.
    They need to do both, add content and fix bugs, they have different teams doing different things, once new content comes out no matter how well tested will have some kind of bug, some players will find new exploits, it's a never ending cycle, all goes hand in hand with each other. I am sure they are always working on old bugs, sometimes the dev's priority when it comes to bugs is not the same as the player's priority.
    Edited by kevlarto_ESO on August 29, 2014 4:47PM
  • heyguyslol
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    I want Zos to focus their efforts more on fixing in game bugs/exploits rather than adding new content to the game.
    JessieColt wrote: »
    OP, you seem not to understand how a game company works.


    On the contrary it seems that you do not understand how the "Entertainment" industry works. I have a degree in 3D modeling/Animation for gaming/film production and while studying we were also educated on how the "Entertainment" industry works.

    Sure they will want to keep their main dev directors but the guys actually doing all the grunt work are a dime a dozen in the industry and move from job to job all the time its called Freelance.
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