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Last Prodigies vs. Mantikora, finally a dead Mantikora.

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Robert_Pendragon
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A huge thanks to the entire team of Last Prodigies:
Butters (GM)
Azula
Elsa Arrendelle
Robert Pendragon
Fen
Joaquin Salamanca
Alyssyah
Thornez
Emma Grace Frost/Thistlemas
The Sing
Eatwidchopstx
Natalya Kan / Viper
Omelette du Fromage
Pinned You Down
Cypriots
Aceline Moonblessed
Erudition


  • Dominoid
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    Congrats
  • ZOS_JessicaFolsom
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    Very nice! Congrats, team!
    Jessica Folsom
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  • Butters21
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    Thank you! We got 2nd boss to 25% also, tomorrow night we should be able to get it if we can get past the first again :smile:
  • Attorneyatlawl
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    Congrats guys!
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    Exploits suck. Don't blame just the game, blame the players abusing them!
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  • Fen
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    Really fun first couple fights - can't wait to do them on live as well c:
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  • Homunculis
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    Was really fun can't wait to continue=D
  • thistlemas
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    We can down the boss much faster on live server without doubt.
    Using better gear and more pvp scroll buff.
    BTW, it is so far the hardest boss I have encounter in this game in my opinion.
    Edited by thistlemas on August 28, 2014 4:05PM
  • thistlemas
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    Let's complete the whole Serpent Trials before it release on live server!
  • ZOS_JessicaFolsom
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    How does your DPS on the PTS compare to that on the live server, Last Prodigies folks who were part of this?
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  • Homunculis
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    DK are having a lot of trouble due to the boss being immune to the DoT's they do
    Edited by Homunculis on August 28, 2014 5:48PM
  • Vuron
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    What level were you? I'm just wondering why the drops were VR13. I would have thought they'd be VR14 drops.
    Edited by Vuron on August 28, 2014 5:49PM
  • Fen
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    ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »
    How does your DPS on the PTS compare to that on the live server, Last Prodigies folks who were part of this?
    My DPS is a few hundred lower that it usually is. This is, however, with no pvp buffs and not being able to wear the sets I wear on live. Not sure if that makes all the difference or just part of it.
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  • Azula
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    Vuron wrote: »
    What level were you? I'm just wondering why the drops were VR13. I would have thought they'd be VR14 drops.

    We were all VR14, I assume VR13 is the default loot and they haven't updated the trials/ arena loot tables yet.
  • Erock25
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    phew good thing that helmet of viper has sturdy trait on it. Glad it is something useful because it would suck if it was a useless trait!
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  • Robert_Pendragon
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    ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »
    How does your DPS on the PTS compare to that on the live server, Last Prodigies folks who were part of this?

    My overall DPS went down by about 400 on average, but it is also due to other elements of the fight so it's hard to tell.
    Also, Jessica, if possible can I have a private question?
  • TehMagnus
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    Homunculis wrote: »
    DK are having a lot of trouble due to the boss being immune to the DoT's they do

    Actually as a NB pointed out yesterday, if you keep looking @ the boss, you won't see the DoT appear, if you turn the camera away & back on the boss, you will see the DoT appear, still no damage being done sadly.

    I've been trying to experiment other stuff but the loss of DPS for DKs on manticore is of around 300-400 compared to AA.


    Has anyone tried stamina builds? I heard some rumors about people pulling insane DPS with stam builds ^^ I'm about to try this tonight since only 800-900 dps on my dk is getting depressing...
  • c0rp
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    Will there be any plans to design trials with game mechanics that cant be ignored due to just standing in a ball and having massive dps?
    Edited by c0rp on August 29, 2014 2:05PM
    Force weapon swap to have priority over EVERYTHING. Close enough.
    Make stamina builds even with magicka builds.
    Disable abilities while holding block.
    Give us a REASON to do dungeons more than once.
    Remove PVP AoE CAP. It is ruining Cyrodiil.
    Fix/Remove Forward Camps. They are ruining Cyrodiil.
    Impenetrability needs to REDUCE CRIT DAMAGE. Not negate entire builds.
    Werewolf is not equal to Vamps/Bats.
  • Dominoid
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    c0rp wrote: »
    Will there be any plans to design trials with game mechanics that cant be ignored due to just standing in a ball and having massive dps?

    Ya. This one you cannot "ball-up" in this trial or your group will get insta-gibbed.
  • c0rp
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    they are making progression then
    Force weapon swap to have priority over EVERYTHING. Close enough.
    Make stamina builds even with magicka builds.
    Disable abilities while holding block.
    Give us a REASON to do dungeons more than once.
    Remove PVP AoE CAP. It is ruining Cyrodiil.
    Fix/Remove Forward Camps. They are ruining Cyrodiil.
    Impenetrability needs to REDUCE CRIT DAMAGE. Not negate entire builds.
    Werewolf is not equal to Vamps/Bats.
  • kosac
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    gz.. hey gina why only vr13 loot for vr14 chars :(
  • Kyoma
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    Dominoid wrote: »
    c0rp wrote: »
    Will there be any plans to design trials with game mechanics that cant be ignored due to just standing in a ball and having massive dps?

    Ya. This one you cannot "ball-up" in this trial or your group will get insta-gibbed.
    Actually.....


    I just watched this video. I'm not sure if this is the first attempt on which they beat the boss but it shows that you can still stack up all together and just negate & heal through everything.

    Several things I noticed:
    Two people get sucked in the black hole yet they appear 90 seconds later without loosing any health in between. I know you can sneak inside to prevent aggro but how did they manage to get out? Is it simply time-based or did they somehow 'travel-to-player' and ran back to the group?

    Then, no black hole seems to appear (that, or it gets negated each time). Is this because the (mini)boss inside is not properly killed or are they indeed negated? If so, then that's the reason this fight is once again reduced to a 'stack frenzy'.

    I'm not saying it's super easy this way and won't require coordination but all of the good and engaging mechanics are simply ignored and/or negated because you can stack up when the black hole is eliminated from the entire fight.
    Edited by Kyoma on September 3, 2014 3:11PM
    Will I be able to forget all the wounds that pierce my flesh?
    You and your childish justice. I'll rip it to pieces.
    Come on, it's showtime. A rain of blood like a volcano
    And now I'll blow all of you and you and you...
    All to tiny pieces. All to tiny pieces.
  • Aca
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    I just watched this video. I'm not sure if this is the first attempt on which they beat the boss but it shows that you can still stack up all together and just negate & heal through everything.
    I really hoped that here will never be a video like this..

    They somehow 'travel-to-player' and ran back to the group
    Im sure, you can see that..

    No new black hole = No enrage Phase = No new Spears = GG

    #feelffooled :)



    Edited by Aca on September 3, 2014 4:00PM
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  • DDuke
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    I hope that gets fixed before release :/

    Seems like another stackandspamskillswithoccasionalblock fight otherwise :(

    Last Prodigies, did you report this?
    Edited by DDuke on September 3, 2014 4:09PM
  • Comaetilico
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    if zos don't consider this to be an exploit... than I don't know what could be considered as such :/

    I suggest that every riding guild actually attempting the serpent try this out and report it immediatly (using /bug after having actualy gone trough the bug help much more than simple report since there is lot of information added to the /bug function)... hopefully it will not last long (I already assume that this will make it to live... but at least if lot of us report it now there is a good chance it will be fixed within the first couple of week of live patch ^^')
  • Robert_Pendragon
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    DDuke wrote: »
    I hope that gets fixed before release :/

    Seems like another stackandspamskillswithoccasionalblock fight otherwise :(

    Last Prodigies, did you report this?

    Yes, and this won't make it to live. We developed another strat for Mantikora shortly after anyway, this strat makes the fight incredibly buggy.


  • Robert_Pendragon
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    Comaetilico wrote: »
    if zos don't consider this to be an exploit... than I don't know what could be considered as such :/

    I suggest that every riding guild actually attempting the serpent try this out and report it immediatly (using /bug after having actualy gone trough the bug help much more than simple report since there is lot of information added to the /bug function)... hopefully it will not last long (I already assume that this will make it to live... but at least if lot of us report it now there is a good chance it will be fixed within the first couple of week of live patch ^^')

    Don't worry there's a reason we released the vid =D Serpent won't be trivialized.
  • Kyoma
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    Robert_Pendragon wrote: »
    DDuke wrote: »
    I hope that gets fixed before release :/

    Seems like another stackandspamskillswithoccasionalblock fight otherwise :(

    Last Prodigies, did you report this?

    Yes, and this won't make it to live. We developed another strat for Mantikora shortly after anyway, this strat makes the fight incredibly buggy.

    Robert_Pendragon wrote: »
    Comaetilico wrote: »
    if zos don't consider this to be an exploit... than I don't know what could be considered as such :/

    I suggest that every riding guild actually attempting the serpent try this out and report it immediatly (using /bug after having actualy gone trough the bug help much more than simple report since there is lot of information added to the /bug function)... hopefully it will not last long (I already assume that this will make it to live... but at least if lot of us report it now there is a good chance it will be fixed within the first couple of week of live patch ^^')

    Don't worry there's a reason we released the vid =D Serpent won't be trivialized.
    Thank you, it is good to see that others prefer a difficult fight as well. Btw, was this indeed the first time you killed this boss or did you do it the hard way? :)

    Will I be able to forget all the wounds that pierce my flesh?
    You and your childish justice. I'll rip it to pieces.
    Come on, it's showtime. A rain of blood like a volcano
    And now I'll blow all of you and you and you...
    All to tiny pieces. All to tiny pieces.
  • Robert_Pendragon
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    Kyoma wrote: »
    Thank you, it is good to see that others prefer a difficult fight as well. Btw, was this indeed the first time you killed this boss or did you do it the hard way? :)

    We had our first kill way before ,that attempt was done just last week when our resident frapser got back.
  • Butters21
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    DDuke wrote: »
    I hope that gets fixed before release :/

    Seems like another stackandspamskillswithoccasionalblock fight otherwise :(

    Last Prodigies, did you report this?

    We have a meeting with the developers tonight about the whole entirety of the serpent trial we will be having a lot of input about the fights and the trash also.( The trash before the Manitkora is zzzz) There is an enrage phase but that video shows it up about 95% of the fight. The fight was incredibly difficult.
  • Butters21
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    Had a lengthy chat with the developers of the Serpent Trial. Confirmed that a stick and stack strat will not be viable at all once live.
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