ESO needs a global trading post!

spoqster

I really don't understand how the introduction of a global trading post would kill the market, as some have posted in this forum. Finding out the real value of an item is part of the objective of the market. If someone is "underselling" the item, it only means that it's not worth as much as you hope it is. That IS the market.

The current system of having to run around to different kiosks is horrible, imho. It is simply a ridiculous waste of time to visit more than a few kiosks to find what you are looking for. The result is that people simply don't find what they are looking for. How is that good for anyone?

The last time I logged in to ESO I had at least 10 mails with expired items in my inbox. These were not junk items, but reasonably priced veteran level items. I'm sure there are players out there who want them. But they can't find them because these items are only in one guild store (the guild in question does not currently have a kiosk).

So in addition to not being able to buy what I want without great hassle, I can't sell the items I want to sell without great hassle. To me the economy is completely broken.

Elsonso

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dharbert

There is no economy. Players will buy and sell whatever goods they want for whatever price they want, regardless of if we had a global auction house or not.

There is no "correct" price for many items. Now, if those items were sold by NPC vendors you would have a baseline, but 99% of the items that we can sell in an auction house are not sold by NPC vendors, therefore there is no base price to judge if you are selling it high or low.

It also depends on the zone and who you are selling to.

Elsonso

dharbert wrote: »

There is no economy. Players will buy and sell whatever goods they want for whatever price they want, regardless of if we had a global auction house or not.

Second sentence disputed the first one. Was that intentional?

"An economy or economic system consists of the production, distribution or trade, and consumption of limited goods and services by different agents in a given geographical location. " (Wikipedia)

BBSooner

I enjoy it the way it is. I like the fluctuating prices between markets, you can make great money buying low and selling high between them. Not having to compete with the entire player base is, to me, a perk.

ItsGlaive

Please no, we don't need another thread on this, there are already what? 10?

Tapio75

Global trading post would be good idea if it be in Imperial City and have enough shops to accommodate everyone who wants to trade there ^^

ers101284b14_ESO

Xabien wrote: »

Please no, we don't need another thread on this, there are already what? 10?

10 today. 129743 since beta. We need a few more and a couple more polls.

heyguyslol

spoqster wrote: »

I really don't understand how the introduction of a global trading post would kill the market, as some have posted in this forum. Finding out the real value of an item is part of the objective of the market. If someone is "underselling" the item, it only means that it's not worth as much as you hope it is. That IS the market.

The current system of having to run around to different kiosks is horrible, imho. It is simply a ridiculous waste of time to visit more than a few kiosks to find what you are looking for. The result is that people simply don't find what they are looking for. How is that good for anyone?

The last time I logged in to ESO I had at least 10 mails with expired items in my inbox. These were not junk items, but reasonably priced veteran level items. I'm sure there are players out there who want them. But they can't find them because these items are only in one guild store (the guild in question does not currently have a kiosk).

So in addition to not being able to buy what I want without great hassle, I can't sell the items I want to sell without great hassle. To me the economy is completely broken.

/agree

The current kiosk guild store system is horrible. I believe Zos was just trying to reinvent the wheel which imo failed. Just give us a Faction based AH and call it a day. Stop wasting players time by having to spam zone chat or shop at 15 different stores.

grimjim398

It's clear enough and has been explained in many threads that an Auction House or anything like that, of the global variety, would lead to abuses and harm the game. If you disagree with that logic, you should present reasons and not emotion. Otherwise your thread is simply a waste of time. Having kiosks in each city is not only a better solution, it is a far closer model to what would happen in a medieval world. An electronic based market in which every player could see what is available everywhere is absolutely not credible within the world of the game. The auction house in Diablo 3 harmed that game immeasurably and had to be closed.

spoqster

grimjim398 wrote: »

It's clear enough and has been explained in many threads that an Auction House or anything like that, of the global variety, would lead to abuses and harm the game.

This is precisely the logic I do not understand. A lot of people are saying that but no argument has ever been compelling. But maybe I haven't heard the right one. If you are so certain, I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts on the matter.

spoqster

lordrichter wrote: »

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Good spot! Then you have probably seen this one as well: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/122487/broken-economy-use-the-npc-merchants-to-sell-items-for-players

spoqster

To me it has become clear that neither the current system nor a global AH are a good idea. For everyone who is interested in developing a concept towards a less fragmented but still not entirely global trading system I have created this thread:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/129928/improving-eso-s-trading-system

Feel free to join the discussion.

SugaComa

spoqster wrote: »

I really don't understand how the introduction of a global trading post would kill the market, as some have posted in this forum. Finding out the real value of an item is part of the objective of the market. If someone is "underselling" the item, it only means that it's not worth as much as you hope it is. That IS the market.

The current system of having to run around to different kiosks is horrible, imho. It is simply a ridiculous waste of time to visit more than a few kiosks to find what you are looking for. The result is that people simply don't find what they are looking for. How is that good for anyone?

The last time I logged in to ESO I had at least 10 mails with expired items in my inbox. These were not junk items, but reasonably priced veteran level items. I'm sure there are players out there who want them. But they can't find them because these items are only in one guild store (the guild in question does not currently have a kiosk).

So in addition to not being able to buy what I want without great hassle, I can't sell the items I want to sell without great hassle. To me the economy is completely broken.

Http://esotradingpost.Uk

Rinmaethodain

the moment ESO will have in game global kiosk it will be spammed with
a) overpriced common items posted by total newbs
b) overpriced goods posted by noobs
c) junk items posted just because they can be posted but they are still worthless

idk

spoqster wrote: »

I really don't understand how the introduction of a global trading post would kill the market, as some have posted in this forum. Finding out the real value of an item is part of the objective of the market. If someone is "underselling" the item, it only means that it's not worth as much as you hope it is. That IS the market.

The current system of having to run around to different kiosks is horrible, imho. It is simply a ridiculous waste of time to visit more than a few kiosks to find what you are looking for. The result is that people simply don't find what they are looking for. How is that good for anyone?

The last time I logged in to ESO I had at least 10 mails with expired items in my inbox. These were not junk items, but reasonably priced veteran level items. I'm sure there are players out there who want them. But they can't find them because these items are only in one guild store (the guild in question does not currently have a kiosk).

So in addition to not being able to buy what I want without great hassle, I can't sell the items I want to sell without great hassle. To me the economy is completely broken.

I really don't understand why you think you need one. That is really the question. The game has done wonderfully under the current format.

Also, want you may think is reasonably priced may not be so reasonable. Also, a central, single market would most certainly lower what a reasonable price is. That is without question so your main point is mute.

Vizier

No. No we don't need a global economy. Trade guilds and guild vendor carts are enough IMO. I like that there is no global market. Helps sellers keep good prices and buyers from having to purchase items from someone or guild that cornered the market and exploited prices. It's a good trade off.

idk

Vizier wrote: »

No. No we don't need a global economy. Trade guilds and guild vendor carts are enough IMO. I like that there is no global market. Helps sellers keep good prices and buyers from having to purchase items from someone or guild that cornered the market and exploited prices. It's a good trade off.

Exactly. And to add, in a fabulous MMO, there will be some things that work great that will still have a vocal minority's that strives to get something different. In ESO the guild traders work great yet, as we see here, a vocal minirity speaks for something different.

Sorry guys. Most of us like the guild traders.

MsPtibiscuit

I never understood why ESO didn't feature a global auction house.
Localized AHs make sense in game where items are localized, like in EvE or BDO. They make even more sense in game where travelling presents a risk. Since an item needs to be transported and it can be lost, prices vary between places (It will be low in places where it can be produced/farmed, and high in remote places or places that aren't secured by NPCs).

In ESO, since you can fast-travel and send items through the mail system, prices are pretty much the same everywhere (I think I never saw a price that diverged more than 5-10% from the raw estimation I made before looking for the item). I don't personnaly see any advantage to localized AH instead of globalized AH in this setting.

idk

MsPtibiscuit wrote: »

I never understood why ESO didn't feature a global auction house.
Localized AHs make sense in game where items are localized, like in EvE or BDO. They make even more sense in game where travelling presents a risk. Since an item needs to be transported and it can be lost, prices vary between places (It will be low in places where it can be produced/farmed, and high in remote places or places that aren't secured by NPCs).

In ESO, since you can fast-travel and send items through the mail system, prices are pretty much the same everywhere (I think I never saw a price that diverged more than 5-10% from the raw estimation I made before looking for the item). I don't personnaly see any advantage to localized AH instead of globalized AH in this setting.

Not much risk on losing an item while traveling in this game.

For those that were not in on the discussion pre launch and at launch, ESO went for a more social economic model rather than the stale and boring dental AH and most players have enjoyed the ESO model.