1-2SEC deaths

timidobserver

dennis.schmelzleb16_ESO wrote: »

What stupid suggestion "just wear heavy armor"
So you wont get 3-shot by bows, but now you get 3-shot by mages curse-fragments-fury combo.

Damage is way too high if you dont stack shields.

I have sorc,dk,nb in VR levels and started to skill them all to the fotm last week.
Is it my batswarm sorc who fills up his whole ultimate with 1 streak, my dk with standard skills who are op since release or my stamina nb who kills people before they finish their break free animation. Everything is absolute stupid.

Instagib snip at its best broken mechanics and every class is op in some sort of damage.
No wonder people ball into impulse spamming zergs, its the only way to survive if you dont use snipping mechanics like shield stacking.

Problem is there are hardly any balanced builds. Its either full glascannon or tanky, with glascannon killing to fast and tanky surviving too long.

Solution?
Idk exactly, maybe tune down damage and healing (and shield stacking) so people live longer but cant defend(selheal) til eternity.

I think purpose of the suggestion is to try to help people figure out how to survive a bit better in the present since damage isn't going to be reduced by 50% tomorrow and probably not the day after either. It's best to lobby for the change and find a way to survive in the meantime.

Wearing 5 heavy and 2 light, I find that I have a few more instants to react when caught of guard than I did wearing full light. Just a small window to react is all I really need and 5 heavy gives me that.

Mograineb16_ESO

How to survive being ambushed from sneaky person, break the stun, hold block, cast heals/shield and get full hp. Now the battle between your skills start, or he runs away.

When do I die from ambushed? When the break free of stun isnt working, basically, only solution needed is bug fix, otherwise its fine.

Bushrat

Skafsgaard wrote: »

i never bother with stealther NBs, if they restealth and dont want to fight i do /dancealtmer and wait for them to kill me so I can quickly spawn at FC and help the defense, actually gankers help ppl getting where they need to and saves them time from running/riding, thanks!

and yes, i dont consider sitting in stealth doing 2k+ opening shots+macro spam skill..

I don't use macros.

I don't only kill on transit lines... I kill all over the place, and many players are not bothering to use the forward camps like you might.. AND if I kill you and you use up a forward camp faster, then its more AP that your team has to spend on forward camps. Also, many times your team has no forward camp up so you are now screwed and have to come back, I see this because I kill the same guys coming through again and again.

I also do anti-ganking and go and hunt your stealth hunters. This is the most fun.... far more fun than any other part of the game for me. Trust me.. it takes skill to take out enemies when they out number you, or are more powerful than you.

Mauz

Mograineb16_ESO wrote: »

How to survive being ambushed from sneaky person, break the stun, hold block, cast heals/shield and get full hp. Now the battle between your skills start, or he runs away.

When do I die from ambushed? When the break free of stun isnt working, basically, only solution needed is bug fix, otherwise its fine.

Exactly this.

I'm running a dw ambush build. My attack starts with ambush+blade which arrive at the same time. Even if I crit both on cloth it' together not more 2,2k. If my victim then breaks free and blocks I simply run away and hide. Other doesnt make sense. Such an ambush build will always lose skill battle cause you have to sacrifice everything else for mobility and burst.

It might be possible to increase this dmg by lets say further 20% but you would have to sacrifice even your mobility and hp then. 3k+ hp dont die instantly anyway but you on your own would with such a build. Cant imagine someone is using this for more than testing. Ok, saw...ahm killed...a vr12 with 1850 hp some days ago ;-)

Only vampires have difficulties to avoid being gank killed instantly...but I think they deserve it for the huge advantages they have.

I mean...personally I find it more annoying that some specs take minutes to be killed and nevertheless deal a good amount of dmg which is not much behind a dps build. Being immune to 2 sec gank kills is compared to this just a matter of joice.

hasselhoffman

Yeah I don't think we should raise health bars. If you can't survive a 3-5 second window from a NB then there is something wrong with you especially if you're any of the other classes. The odds of you being killed by a NB greatly diminish after the 3 second time frame if you can survive. For you people on horses, lol, you shouldn't be on a horse at ambush points.

pad11

Welcome to Macro-Land, where many use them and all deny...it's a hoot...and a holler...and a hootenanny...

Kewljag_66_ESO

timidobserver wrote: »

I agree that bow's are overperforming a bit atm in PVP, but the key to being a good PVPer is learning how to deal with everything until/if it is balanced.

-Wear heavy and/or block when you are immobile/idle and not stealthed. So for example, if you are standing in the the back not stealthed for some reason while your mates siege a keep not moving or doing anything, hold your block button down until you need to do something.

-If you are firing siege, after you fire your siege get off of it and hold block until you need to fire it again. Do not just sit there on the siege.

EDIT: Also, do not go into PVP again without at least 4 pieces of impenetrable on.

Its not even that bow is overperforming. Its that 80% people in PVP wear light armor. Light Armor is vulnerable to physical damage. You cant wear light armor and expect to get its offensive power AND have defensive survivability. If people dont want to get hit hard they should wear heavy armor. If I target a heavy armor user they take up to half the damage.

Mud_Puppy

You may be experience the health bar desync. It can appear as though you're getting instagibbed.

Ifthir_ESO

The only people getting killed in 1-2 seconds are people not stacking shields.

This includes nightblades, gank-victims who didn't have shields up, and people not aware the bow wielder is there.

Ifthir_ESO

dennis.schmelzleb16_ESO wrote: »

Damage is way too high if you dont stack shields.

^ This.

The entire game is devolving into a flavor-of-the-month balance fail by ZoS.

First it was bash everything.
Then it was vampire everything.
Then it was impulse everything.
Now its soak every bit of damage with stacked shields.

Barrier
Hardened Ward
Healing Ward
Annulment

Good luck getting through shields like that before they kill you. Most "good" players are going to be in a group as well which means you have to dps through their shields before they and their group kill you.

Cody

Beedles wrote: »

The funniest parts are from those [snip] people giving advice that helps you not get 1-2sec deaths. lol I have used all of them and STILL been perma stunned, or knock off horse and dead before I hit the ground.
Also wearing light armor should not mean instant death for you.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]

light armor should mean instant death if you get hit by a very powerful physical attack. If you are tired of getting killed by physical attacks, put on some dang steel. HA is not as useless as people say. its not that good, but not useless. It has its advantages. other than that I agree with you, no 1-2 second deaths should be in the game. They need to fix it ASAP.

Cody

dennis.schmelzleb16_ESO wrote: »

What stupid suggestion "just wear heavy armor"
So you wont get 3-shot by bows, but now you get 3-shot by mages curse-fragments-fury combo.

Damage is way too high if you dont stack shields.

I have sorc,dk,nb in VR levels and started to skill them all to the fotm last week.
Is it my batswarm sorc who fills up his whole ultimate with 1 streak, my dk with standard skills who are op since release or my stamina nb who kills people before they finish their break free animation. Everything is absolute stupid.

Instagib snip at its best broken mechanics and every class is op in some sort of damage.
No wonder people ball into impulse spamming zergs, its the only way to survive if you dont use snipping mechanics like shield stacking.

Problem is there are hardly any balanced builds. Its either full glascannon or tanky, with glascannon killing to fast and tanky surviving too long.

Solution?
Idk exactly, maybe tune down damage and healing (and shield stacking) so people live longer but cant defend(selheal) til eternity.

yes, wearing HA makes you vulnerable to magic. you must choose vulnerability to magic, or vulnerability to physical attacks. one or the other.

Desdemonte

Beedles wrote: »

I hope Molag Bal poops on your coffee table

New sig- thx

JackDaniell

dennis.schmelzleb16_ESO wrote: »

What stupid suggestion "just wear heavy armor"
So you wont get 3-shot by bows, but now you get 3-shot by mages curse-fragments-fury combo.

Damage is way too high if you dont stack shields.

I have sorc,dk,nb in VR levels and started to skill them all to the fotm last week.
Is it my batswarm sorc who fills up his whole ultimate with 1 streak, my dk with standard skills who are op since release or my stamina nb who kills people before they finish their break free animation. Everything is absolute stupid.

Instagib snip at its best broken mechanics and every class is op in some sort of damage.
No wonder people ball into impulse spamming zergs, its the only way to survive if you dont use snipping mechanics like shield stacking.

Problem is there are hardly any balanced builds. Its either full glascannon or tanky, with glascannon killing to fast and tanky surviving too long.

Solution?
Idk exactly, maybe tune down damage and healing (and shield stacking) so people live longer but cant defend(selheal) til eternity.

Well, did you know that wearing 5 heavy and 2 light gives you about 85% of the spell resistance that wearing 7 light does? Plus everyone is running spell pen so spell resistance is not even that useful unless your fighting people with bad builds.

Also, did you know that people play and complain about fotm or meta builds but do nothing to try to fight it? Vampire has so many glaring weaknesses that its almost comedic watching someone slaughter them. Shield stacking is strong but also has huge weaknesses. People all want to wear cloth and stack shields with harness, then when a NB comes along and just tears past those shields doing 100% of their potential damage while not returning any magicka to the stacker they want to cry nerf because they have a counter. And the meta DK build is hilarious to kill when spamming blinds, they just wiggle around with their shield down until they die xD.

In short, many people do not run probably the single most important aspect they should in PvP. You need to be able to survive, against anything. Once you have a build that can fight all the other builds, or escape them if need be you will then excel as a PvP player.

This game is an elaborate game of rock paper scissors. The best builds will be a mix of all three.

Renuo

Was going to have a long winded post about builds and counters but Jack pretty much sums it up!

Mojomonkeyman

In my personal books you make up for your templar bias with beautiful posts like the one above, JackDaniell.

Thanks for that.

JackDaniell

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

In my personal books you make up for your templar bias with beautiful posts like the one above, JackDaniell.

Thanks for that.

TEAM TEMPLAR!!!

Ifthir_ESO

JackDaniell wrote: »

when a NB comes along and just tears past those shields doing 100% of their potential damage while not returning any magicka to the stacker

Are you positive of this? My experience has been that annulment is returning magicka even on physical attacks.

Do you have any videos Jack? Saw you a lot when I was in legend but haven't seen you much in the larger keep takes and such, maybe we play different servers now.

JackDaniell

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

Are you positive of this? My experience has been that annulment is returning magicka even on physical attacks.

Do you have any videos Jack? Saw you a lot when I was in legend but haven't seen you much in the larger keep takes and such, maybe we play different servers now.

Yes I have many ESO videos, channel link: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6JQhQFfmPFnfA7Zfd3_70A

And some physical attacks return magicka while other do not, I know biting jabs does where light attacks and weapon skills do not. I can confirm that harness does not reduce the damage of physical or magicka based physical attacks (such as jabs, whip, ambush ect.). But as for nightblades, the return is not great due to the fact that the attacks are single high damage attacks that will break the shields quickly. The cost returned from the 3-4 attacks to break the multiple shields just doesn't outweigh the cost to re-cast them.

Durham

Bushrat wrote: »

As a NB Stealth Hunter (ganker) well... I am kind of sorry but not really. I love killing players with one shot... I do it a few times a day, but not too often. It basically becasue I set up and put a lot of my build towards that. My weapon, Armour, passives and skill lines all contribute to it. I can get over 2k in one shot sometimes, over 900 is normal on a opening shot. Its what I do.. I am a bow specialist... I cannot last long against many DKs or Templars, but I rarely hunt alone.

I won't offer you any advice to counter what I do because that would not serve my aims, which is to kill as many enemies as possible. However if you play well I can be taken out if I am not careful.

The only way you will be taken out is if you have the wrong potion on your bar or you attacked to close ... 99% of the time it will be your mistake... sorry but this is game breaking just like talon+standard was at one time... However i will not put it up there with past dk vamps after 1 week of release lol...

JLB

Mograineb16_ESO wrote: »

When do I die from ambushed? When the break free of stun isnt working, basically, only solution needed is bug fix, otherwise its fine.

Exactly this.
If Break Free works, you should be fine. Problem is, it doesn't too many times.