*RESOLVED!* Shadowsilk Gems are going away in next patch, says GM. Goodbye Goblins.

Enodoc

Reiterpallasch wrote: »

It's just an item used for a quest and not a quest reward

Yeah well so is the frostedge bandit disguise, yet no issues with us keeping that one right?

Unless you get in combat with another frostedge bandit. Then you lose it and can't get another one.

I would like to see any quest in which you use a disguise provide that costume as a reward. In order for you to be able to keep it permanently, perhaps it could no longer function as a "disguise" after the end of the quest, and instead be entirely cosmetic.

Araflin

I am deeply saddened by the news of this blatant racism towards those of my kind. (See profile picture)

It will undoubtedly result in much tutting, incredulous rolling of eyes, a little sad shaking of the head, and some general grumbling under-breath!

But it could just as easily escalate into the founding of

The Goblin Liberation Front!

You have been warned, "Oh, powers that be!" You have been warned!

(( ))

gurluasb16_ESO

Enodoc wrote: »

Reiterpallasch wrote: »

It's just an item used for a quest and not a quest reward

Yeah well so is the frostedge bandit disguise, yet no issues with us keeping that one right?

Unless you get in combat with another frostedge bandit. Then you lose it and can't get another one.

I would like to see any quest in which you use a disguise provide that costume as a reward. In order for you to be able to keep it permanently, perhaps it could no longer function as a "disguise" after the end of the quest, and instead be entirely cosmetic.

I wear a Maormer Sea Viper disguise I got in a quest. For me that was part of the reward of the quest. I also collect costumes/disguises so this is a big part of the game for me.

Attorneyatlawl

Thralgaf wrote: »

It's just a bug, and it's not game breaking. Really not worth making a big deal about it. Making an mmo is hard work. If you think you can do a better job, go do it.

The goblin gem has been usable since early beta , it's a disguise. Why they would remove it because of a single patch post-launch having an animation glitch is beyond me... I don't give a whit about roleplaying personally (and respect to the OP for stating a good argument and even recognizing that many of us don't) but I A) see no reason to remove the disguise and B.) have used it from time to time for laughs myself. Pulling random fluff from the game doesn't make sense. I also would be annoyed if I were an rp'er who enjoyed using the gem, so for that alone even I'd support this thread and ask that it not be removed.

Attorneyatlawl

Nermy wrote: »

Seems a bit heavy-handed to give something like the cool gem and then say, sorry, we fecked up, give us it back! Especially when it costs nothing. I say change it to part of the quest reward.

I always wanted to get my whole raid in Cyro to equip the gem and run around as a huge goblin ganking group!

Mostly Harmless has done so, it's a riot... I'm sad to see them talking about disabling it.

kassandratheclericb14_ESO

Does this mean all the costumes that were really needed for quest but not actual rewards will go away also? I mean I really like some of those...

Booooo!!

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO

Thralgaf wrote: »

It's just a bug, and it's not game breaking. Really not worth making a big deal about it. Making an mmo is hard work. If you think you can do a better job, go do it.

Oh, please. That old argument again? Slaughtering and butchering a cow is hard work too, and I wouldn't even know where to begin, but that doesn't mean I can't complain when I am served a bad burger.

We are living in a civilized trade society, where we pay for other people's expertise. When they fail to deliver on that expertise, it is perfectly OK to complain. With your argument, not even highly skilled experts in relevant fields would be allowed to complain about a complex product like ESO, because no single person would know how to do it better all on their own.

I am paying ZOS to keep me entertained. When they tick me off with stupid decisions, I reserve the right to bicker about it, thank you. I will also praise them when they do things I like. Or am I perhaps not competent to do that either as a mere mortal?

jrgray93

I just joined a PVP guild that asks members to wear it. I wasn't too excited about that because I worked hard on my appearance, but they're so well coordinated, I'd wear a pink dress if they asked me. Fully against the removal of an item that does nothing to detract from the game.

nerevarine1138

jrgray93 wrote: »

I just joined a PVP guild that asks members to wear it. I wasn't too excited about that because I worked hard on my appearance, but they're so well coordinated, I'd wear a pink dress if they asked me. Fully against the removal of an item that does nothing to detract from the game.

I'm amazed that this went over a full page without mentioning the PvP aspect.

The reason your guild wants you to wear it (and the reason ZO is fixing it) is because the disguise reduces your hitbox. It's being used as an exploit.

So that's why we can't have nice things.

Iago

Does anyone think we will hear from the powers that be about this? Honestly taking away what is arguably one of the coolest disguises in game because it wasn't intended is like giving a little kid a new toy and then taking it away the next day and saying oopsie I didn't really want you to have this.....


It's a no good rotten horrible no good very bad thing to do.... Next thing you know they will be giving mice cookies and vendors will be Cats in Hats

kassandratheclericb14_ESO

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

I just joined a PVP guild that asks members to wear it. I wasn't too excited about that because I worked hard on my appearance, but they're so well coordinated, I'd wear a pink dress if they asked me. Fully against the removal of an item that does nothing to detract from the game.

I'm amazed that this went over a full page without mentioning the PvP aspect.

The reason your guild wants you to wear it (and the reason ZO is fixing it) is because the disguise reduces your hitbox. It's being used as an exploit.

So that's why we can't have nice things.

Then disable it in PVP areas. Problem solved.

Enodoc

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

I just joined a PVP guild that asks members to wear it. I wasn't too excited about that because I worked hard on my appearance, but they're so well coordinated, I'd wear a pink dress if they asked me. Fully against the removal of an item that does nothing to detract from the game.

I'm amazed that this went over a full page without mentioning the PvP aspect.

The reason your guild wants you to wear it (and the reason ZO is fixing it) is because the disguise reduces your hitbox. It's being used as an exploit.

So that's why we can't have nice things.

Ah well, there's the reasoning then. I didn't realise it reduced the hitbox.

How hard would it be to change the hitbox so that it is normal size? (That's an honest question, not a complaint.)

Iago

Enodoc wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

I just joined a PVP guild that asks members to wear it. I wasn't too excited about that because I worked hard on my appearance, but they're so well coordinated, I'd wear a pink dress if they asked me. Fully against the removal of an item that does nothing to detract from the game.

I'm amazed that this went over a full page without mentioning the PvP aspect.

The reason your guild wants you to wear it (and the reason ZO is fixing it) is because the disguise reduces your hitbox. It's being used as an exploit.

So that's why we can't have nice things.

Ah well, there's the reasoning then. I didn't realise it reduced the hitbox.

That aside just disable disguises in cyrodill, everytime something gets abused in PVP the PVE people get screwed over

purple-magicb16_ESO

Oh-oh! Sounds like the Stillrise skull mite be next. Say goodbye to looking like a skeleton too.

jrgray93

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

I just joined a PVP guild that asks members to wear it. I wasn't too excited about that because I worked hard on my appearance, but they're so well coordinated, I'd wear a pink dress if they asked me. Fully against the removal of an item that does nothing to detract from the game.

I'm amazed that this went over a full page without mentioning the PvP aspect.

The reason your guild wants you to wear it (and the reason ZO is fixing it) is because the disguise reduces your hitbox. It's being used as an exploit.

So that's why we can't have nice things.

Good to know, thanks. I won't wear it then. I refuse to partake in BS.

TheOubliette

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

I just joined a PVP guild that asks members to wear it. I wasn't too excited about that because I worked hard on my appearance, but they're so well coordinated, I'd wear a pink dress if they asked me. Fully against the removal of an item that does nothing to detract from the game.

I'm amazed that this went over a full page without mentioning the PvP aspect.

The reason your guild wants you to wear it (and the reason ZO is fixing it) is because the disguise reduces your hitbox. It's being used as an exploit.

So that's why we can't have nice things.

Yes, I'm against this sort of exploitation and feel that if this is the case, it's a simple matter to have this disguise not usable in PVP zones.

Still, if one of the fuses if bad on the car, you replace it. You do not junk the car.

Tabbycat

If players are not supposed to keep this particular item, the simple solution is to make a trophy reward item with a similar effect. Perhaps you have to slay a specific number of goblins and as the reward you get a nifty trinket that lets you take on the appearance of a goblin in a similar fashion to how the skeleton one works. Or perhaps when you complete out all the quests in the zone that has the goblin quest, you are given a trophy as a reward. It doesn't necessarily have to be tied to that one particular quest. It should work the same as the skeleton costume except have a goblin appearance instead. By basing it off the skeleton one that works instead of the quest gem, you remove the exploit.

Unless of course, the skeleton one isn't a trophy and, is instead another exploit.

In which case, all I can do is sigh and say that a few costumes need to be added.

People want to keep this bauble, ZOS should find a way to let them.

Araflin

However, by precedent of the "Kollopi Essence" (Quest reward / disguise in AD) that clearly states (Will not work in Cyrodiil)

So why remove it altogether and not simply restrict it's use as the above?

Maotti

Big booo to Zenimax! The Shadowsilk gem is awesome, why in Azuras name remove it?

Tamanous

I have fewer issues seeing goblins running around towns but skeletons look stupid as no town would allow undead to walk around. The skeletons have to go too asap if goblin goes.

I hope an option appears someday so RPrs can continue to use such things but with less of a visual impact on the world. Once justice system is in game have guards attack players not looking human.

Kalann_Pander

Iago wrote: »

That aside just disable disguises in cyrodill, everytime something gets abused in PVP the PVE people get screwed over

^^This.

Goblins (and other disguises, skellies, etc ...) are fun. So we should keep them.

However, goblins (and other disguises, skellies, etc ...), in PvP, can serve as a tactical advantage, either blatantly (reducing the hit-box), or more subtly - when disguised, other players can't see your armor type (or even, race), and thus lose an chance to make a reasonable guess at your playstyle.

Let's face it : even if both wield a 2Hander, you won't approach an Orc in heavy armor the same way you'd approach an Altmer in robes. But a goblin ?

Just disable all disguises in PvP. Give the goblin fans a similar quest reward which gives the good looks but a full hitbox

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO

And let the Goblins surf their horses standing in the saddle for all I care. I don't mind. They are a beast race, after all, and would probably approach horseback riding with a different mentality than others.

(Actually, seriously, I think they should probably add that horseback animation, fix the hitbox, and keep the disguise, but disable it in PvP.)

Csub

Although I do not have the item because I completed the quest before they made this quest item, I still don't think they should remove it.

Make it as a quest reward or leave it like that and that's it. Just make unable to be used in Cyrodiil and problem solved.

ZOS_GinaBruno

Hey guys, just want to clear up some confusion. If you abandon the quest A Goblin's Affection, the Shadowsilk Gem will be removed from your inventory. However, if you pick up this quest and even complete it, you will keep the Shadowsilk Gem and can transform yourself into a goblin. We are not planning to take this item away from you.

TheRealDoc

Good news that the item is staying

So if it's staying, could we fix the horse riding animation so I don't surf around Cyrodil?

Oh and fix /dance too please. Every good goblins gotta dance!....

ZOS_GinaBruno

TheRealDoc wrote: »

Good news that the item is staying

So if it's staying, could we fix the horse riding animation so I don't surf around Cyrodil?

Oh and fix /dance too please. Every good goblins gotta dance!....

The horse riding animation will be fixed soon (as funny as it is to see).

babylon

YAY!

Slurg

I did this quest too long ago. I need to get an alt through this quest before this is fixed so I can go horse surfing!

The heck with the upcoming 1.4 changes. I'll worry about those next month. Goblin horse surfing is now my top priority!

TheOubliette

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys, just want to clear up some confusion. If you abandon the quest A Goblin's Affection, the Shadowsilk Gem will be removed from your inventory. However, if you pick up this quest and even complete it, you will keep the Shadowsilk Gem and can transform yourself into a goblin. We are not planning to take this item away from you.

Great to hear! Can we get your CSR educated on this issue? Additionally, I'd love to get my ticket handled for the mystery of the vanishing Shadowsilk Gem?

Seriously, we are very happy to hear of this. I'll spread the good word.

-Trish H. / @TheOubliette

Evergnar

Simple solution would be:

• Remove it.
• Replace it with a new unbugged version either automatically or with a new quest.
• Problem solved everybody is happy