ZOS Clarify Please -VR points are going away?- VR levels are staying? Misinformation on this topic

mistermagic87b14_ESO

UPDATE***

Updated thread title - due to comments on post

Original title: Stop misinformation - VR points are going away - VR levels are staying & Champion system added

There are many different topics with wrong information regarding this topic and I felt it needed it's own thread to stop the spread of misinformation regarding VR's and Champion levels.

According to the Quakecon video below:

Veteran points are going away - Veteran ranks are NOT being replaced by the champion system they are going to be added in addition to Veteran Ranks.

Per the Quakecon video here @ twitch.tv/bethesda/c/4721352?t=42m20s 42 mins - 20 seconds in.

Text transcript
Paul Sage:
"We are going to get rid of Veteran points - Veteran ranks are going to be gained through experience point gain. That means instead of going through and having to worry about whether you're gaining Veteran points in this way you'll have a very predictable path and actually faster path through your Veteran ranks. That's the second phase and also coming in that phase - and very important - is the fact that you'll get bonus experience. If you haven't played for awhile -say you haven't played for 20 hours or something like that you'll get a bonus to the experience gains you get and the reasons were doing this is to help you stay in sync with your friends who might play more than you do - so we're adding a bonus for people who don't play as frequently"

Very helpful color chart explaining the changes:

Paske

You will be lvl 50 with XY Champion points - that are account wide shared amongst all lvl 50 chars.

Champion points will be rewarded via XP, just like veteran ranks. But instead of DING, no one cares, you get a Champion point.

So you will not grind Vet ranks on every char separately, but it will be shared pool.

Today you have to level every char to V12.

Wifeaggro13

mistermagic87b14_ESO wrote: »

There are many different topics with wrong information regarding this topic and I felt it needed it's own thread to stop the spread of misinformation regarding VR's and Champion levels.

According to the Quakecon video below:

Veteran points are going away - Veteran ranks are NOT being replaced by the champion system they are going to be added in addition to Veteran Ranks.

Per the Quakecon video here @ twitch.tv/bethesda/c/4721352?t=42m20s 42 mins - 20 seconds in.

Text transcript
Paul Sage:
"We are going to get rid of Veteran points - Veteran ranks are going to be gained through experience point gain. That means instead of going through and having to worry about whether you're gaining Veteran points in this way you'll have a very predictable path and actually faster path through your Veteran ranks. That's the second phase and also coming in that phase - and very important - is the fact that you'll get bonus experience. If you haven't played for awhile -say you haven't played for 20 hours or something like that you'll get a bonus to the experience gains you get and the reasons were doing this is to help you stay in sync with your friends who might play more than you do - so we're adding a bonus for people who don't play as frequently"

Very helpful color chart explaining the changes:

Well i argued this exact same point then someone came in and posted a direct quote from the community manager stating the Vr were in fact going away. A complete 180 from the quake con info you are posting. I would like some clarification on this as well . The quote from the community manager was last week looking for the thread now. but its buried in countless champion system threads

Inversus

Yeah I was a bit confused at the start, to be honest I don't think we can say either way
They haven't said anything about the removal of VR ranks, but they did mention something about gear being equipped at any VR level or something and they have said they're reworking the VR system, which could mean anything

we'll see

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

mistermagic87b14_ESO wrote: »

There are many different topics with wrong information regarding this topic and I felt it needed it's own thread to stop the spread of misinformation regarding VR's and Champion levels.

According to the Quakecon video below:

Veteran points are going away - Veteran ranks are NOT being replaced by the champion system they are going to be added in addition to Veteran Ranks.

Per the Quakecon video here @ twitch.tv/bethesda/c/4721352?t=42m20s 42 mins - 20 seconds in.

Text transcript
Paul Sage:
"We are going to get rid of Veteran points - Veteran ranks are going to be gained through experience point gain. That means instead of going through and having to worry about whether you're gaining Veteran points in this way you'll have a very predictable path and actually faster path through your Veteran ranks. That's the second phase and also coming in that phase - and very important - is the fact that you'll get bonus experience. If you haven't played for awhile -say you haven't played for 20 hours or something like that you'll get a bonus to the experience gains you get and the reasons were doing this is to help you stay in sync with your friends who might play more than you do - so we're adding a bonus for people who don't play as frequently"

Very helpful color chart explaining the changes:

Well i argued this exact same point then someone came in and posted a direct quote from the community manager stating the Vr were in fact going away. A complete 180 from the quake con info you are posting. I would like some clarification on this as well . The quote from the community manager was last week looking for the thread now. but its buried in countless champion system threads

Really?
I'd like to see that

mistermagic87b14_ESO

Inversus wrote: »

Yeah I was a bit confused at the start, to be honest I don't think we can say either way
They haven't said anything about the removal of VR ranks, but they did mention something about gear being equipped at any VR level or something and they have said they're reworking the VR system, which could mean anything

we'll see

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

mistermagic87b14_ESO wrote: »

There are many different topics with wrong information regarding this topic and I felt it needed it's own thread to stop the spread of misinformation regarding VR's and Champion levels.

According to the Quakecon video below:

Veteran points are going away - Veteran ranks are NOT being replaced by the champion system they are going to be added in addition to Veteran Ranks.

Per the Quakecon video here @ twitch.tv/bethesda/c/4721352?t=42m20s 42 mins - 20 seconds in.

Text transcript
Paul Sage:
"We are going to get rid of Veteran points - Veteran ranks are going to be gained through experience point gain. That means instead of going through and having to worry about whether you're gaining Veteran points in this way you'll have a very predictable path and actually faster path through your Veteran ranks. That's the second phase and also coming in that phase - and very important - is the fact that you'll get bonus experience. If you haven't played for awhile -say you haven't played for 20 hours or something like that you'll get a bonus to the experience gains you get and the reasons were doing this is to help you stay in sync with your friends who might play more than you do - so we're adding a bonus for people who don't play as frequently"

Very helpful color chart explaining the changes:

Well i argued this exact same point then someone came in and posted a direct quote from the community manager stating the Vr were in fact going away. A complete 180 from the quake con info you are posting. I would like some clarification on this as well . The quote from the community manager was last week looking for the thread now. but its buried in countless champion system threads

Really?
I'd like to see that

Clarification would be nice - preferably before the patch notes are revealed. I Feel like too much misinformation is going around - or it's still up in the air from what was originally posted on the vid I just linked.

WebBull

I must be stupid, I still don't get it.......seems overly confusing.

Wifeaggro13

mistermagic87b14_ESO wrote: »

Inversus wrote: »

Yeah I was a bit confused at the start, to be honest I don't think we can say either way
They haven't said anything about the removal of VR ranks, but they did mention something about gear being equipped at any VR level or something and they have said they're reworking the VR system, which could mean anything

we'll see

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

mistermagic87b14_ESO wrote: »

There are many different topics with wrong information regarding this topic and I felt it needed it's own thread to stop the spread of misinformation regarding VR's and Champion levels.

According to the Quakecon video below:

Veteran points are going away - Veteran ranks are NOT being replaced by the champion system they are going to be added in addition to Veteran Ranks.

Per the Quakecon video here @ twitch.tv/bethesda/c/4721352?t=42m20s 42 mins - 20 seconds in.

Text transcript
Paul Sage:
"We are going to get rid of Veteran points - Veteran ranks are going to be gained through experience point gain. That means instead of going through and having to worry about whether you're gaining Veteran points in this way you'll have a very predictable path and actually faster path through your Veteran ranks. That's the second phase and also coming in that phase - and very important - is the fact that you'll get bonus experience. If you haven't played for awhile -say you haven't played for 20 hours or something like that you'll get a bonus to the experience gains you get and the reasons were doing this is to help you stay in sync with your friends who might play more than you do - so we're adding a bonus for people who don't play as frequently"

Very helpful color chart explaining the changes:

Well i argued this exact same point then someone came in and posted a direct quote from the community manager stating the Vr were in fact going away. A complete 180 from the quake con info you are posting. I would like some clarification on this as well . The quote from the community manager was last week looking for the thread now. but its buried in countless champion system threads

Really?
I'd like to see that

Clarification would be nice - preferably before the patch notes are revealed. I Feel like too much misinformation is going around - or it's still up in the air from what was originally posted on the vid I just linked.

Me too i cannot find the direct quote from the community manager but here is a link that some one says paul sage clarified it in a Q&A http://dulfy.net/2014/07/12/eso-paul-sage-the-road-ahead-qa-transcript/

Champion System (VR Overhaul Phase 3)

This will replace the Veteran system. This is a system where you are constantly adding points (Champion Points) into passives that will make your character stronger – i.e. critical hit or spell defense. You will add % that will increase these rating. It is a bit like the alternative advancement system (AA) in other games (i..e EQ1, EQ2)
It will be account wide so once you open up the Champion rank you will be able to take these points and apply to other characters. The points you put in one character won’t affect your other characters and there is a built in respec that will be fairly straightforward and easy to get.
Put in an hour and you will get one of those points for example. Experience past 50 are converted into champion points.
Any alts you make will be affected by the champion points already earned on your account. You just cannot earn champion points until you are level 50.
Enlightenment bonus – it is like rested experience so the longer you log off the more bonus you get.
In the Champion system, we will have more gear introduced by seasons where there is no level requirement. They will be harder to get. Season 8 gear will be more powerful than season 7 gear for example but the season 7 gear will be more readily available. There will be a solution for crafting as well.
Champion rating – Look at your gear as well as all your points in the champion system to see if you can take on a certain content or not. The Champion rating will be introducing some divide in the community but it based more on gear rather than your points to make it easier to catch up.
New itemization coming out as well in update 4– New sets coming out, populate bosses with different set pieces.

This looks like the horses mouth. I argued the same quake con information and someone linked a quote from Gina that looked legit stating the veteran ranks were indeed going away and would be replaced by champion points. And they would have more information later as it was till very new in development. Now could this poster have fooled the thread? absolutely. Dut this is a Dulfy Q&A and Sage does indicate that the VR system is bye bye . it is being replaced with Champion points. No more Veteran rank system. In all honesty this is a step in the right direction!

vyndral13preub18_ESO

I dont mind a separate vr level As long as it is meaningless. As in no affect on equipment. They are already adding seasonal equipment, i don't want to have to grind to max level then grind equipment.

Of course the argument is if it is meaningless why is it there... Well i wouldn't have it there.

mistermagic87b14_ESO

I updated the thread title so we can get info regarding it - it could still be in the works - they may be changing it as they go - but I'd assume most of it would be concrete if they're going to reveal this info at quakecon.

ers101284b14_ESO

WebBull wrote: »

I must be stupid, I still don't get it.......seems overly confusing.

Don't feel stupid. They just haven't explained it well enough. On one instance they said that the Champion points will be replacing the Vet Ranks. So you would stop leveling at 50 but still get points to put in to championship passives. But in another instance they said Vet Ranks aren't going anywhere and the Champion points would compliment it. So people are just asking for clarification.

Enodoc

Veteran Ranks are going away completely once the final version of the Champion System is out. First they are replacing VP with XP as a way to rank up (that's what you quoted - if you go back in the transcript you will see that this is under the Phase 2 section of the update), then (in Phase 3) they are getting rid of ranks completely and the XP will be used for Champion Points.

@ZOS_GinaBruno answered this for me a couple of weeks back:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Welka wrote: »

Well no, my understanding is that the XP will go towards the champion system, since the veteran system is going altogether

It's very frustrating to have no comm on the subject from ZOS. The whole thing is confusing and most info we have is from speculation.

This discussion I had with @Laura sums up the confusion quite well:

Enodoc wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Laura wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Laura wrote: »

they are NOT taking the veteran ranks out and you will earn champion points while you rank up.

It is still under speculation that all gear may be set to 50 though.

There is an extensive interview on esotr about this

@Laura Have you got a link to that interview? It definitely hasn't been made very clear whether the end-result Champion system is an outright replacement to Veteran Ranks or being added as a parallel.

Personally I would like it as a parallel, that way there is both the horizontal progression of Champion Ratings and the vertical progression of Vet Ranks.

@Enodoc

http://elderscrollsotr.mymiddleearth.com/2014/07/11/episode-118-update-3-w-paul-sage/

this interview is long and I don't remember where he said it but I know he explicitly said they are NOT removing veteran ranks when it was asked in the interview.

That's great, thanks. +1 to the count of "parallel" then :P
Parallel leads 3:1 over replacement

Having just listened to the whole section on the Veteran System update, I still think it's ambiguous. @ZOS_PaulSage only said they are not removing Veteran Ranks when Veteran Points are exchanged for XP (Phase 2). He still hasn't said what happens to Veteran Ranks at Phase 3, when the Champion System is introduced, aside from that Champion Points will be gained by XP.
He did make a mention to "everybody level 50 and above", and also mentioned [paraphrased:] "introducing new Season gear that is not restricted by level", which both to me suggest that Veteran Ranks (above 50) and Veteran Gear will still exist.

I just wish someone @ZOS would come and give clarification. Even if they come and say that they haven't answered the question yet because they haven't completely decided whether to do away with VRs completely.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌, @ZOS_GinaBruno‌, please, try and find out for us whether Champion Points are an outright replacement or a parallel system to Veteran Ranks.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌, @ZOS_GinaBruno‌ we're still waiting on that clarification :P

Once the Champion System has been fully rolled out, it will replace Veteran Ranks. Don't worry, we'll go into much more detail as we get closer to releasing this new system. It's still being developed, though, so there are still some unknowns.

Alphashado

Enodoc wrote: »

Veteran Ranks are going away completely once the final version of the Champion System is out. First they are replacing VP with XP as a way to rank up (that's what you quoted - if you go back in the transcript you will see that this is under the Phase 2 section of the update), then (in Phase 3) they are getting rid of ranks completely and the XP will be used for Champion Points.

@ZOS_GinaBruno answered this for me a couple of weeks back:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Welka wrote: »

Well no, my understanding is that the XP will go towards the champion system, since the veteran system is going altogether

It's very frustrating to have no comm on the subject from ZOS. The whole thing is confusing and most info we have is from speculation.

This discussion I had with @Laura sums up the confusion quite well:

Enodoc wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Laura wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Laura wrote: »

they are NOT taking the veteran ranks out and you will earn champion points while you rank up.

It is still under speculation that all gear may be set to 50 though.

There is an extensive interview on esotr about this

@Laura Have you got a link to that interview? It definitely hasn't been made very clear whether the end-result Champion system is an outright replacement to Veteran Ranks or being added as a parallel.

Personally I would like it as a parallel, that way there is both the horizontal progression of Champion Ratings and the vertical progression of Vet Ranks.

@Enodoc

http://elderscrollsotr.mymiddleearth.com/2014/07/11/episode-118-update-3-w-paul-sage/

this interview is long and I don't remember where he said it but I know he explicitly said they are NOT removing veteran ranks when it was asked in the interview.

That's great, thanks. +1 to the count of "parallel" then :P
Parallel leads 3:1 over replacement

Having just listened to the whole section on the Veteran System update, I still think it's ambiguous. @ZOS_PaulSage only said they are not removing Veteran Ranks when Veteran Points are exchanged for XP (Phase 2). He still hasn't said what happens to Veteran Ranks at Phase 3, when the Champion System is introduced, aside from that Champion Points will be gained by XP.
He did make a mention to "everybody level 50 and above", and also mentioned [paraphrased:] "introducing new Season gear that is not restricted by level", which both to me suggest that Veteran Ranks (above 50) and Veteran Gear will still exist.

I just wish someone @ZOS would come and give clarification. Even if they come and say that they haven't answered the question yet because they haven't completely decided whether to do away with VRs completely.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌, @ZOS_GinaBruno‌, please, try and find out for us whether Champion Points are an outright replacement or a parallel system to Veteran Ranks.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌, @ZOS_GinaBruno‌ we're still waiting on that clarification :P

Once the Champion System has been fully rolled out, it will replace Veteran Ranks. Don't worry, we'll go into much more detail as we get closer to releasing this new system. It's still being developed, though, so there are still some unknowns.

All that means is that the developers are not on the same page.

They are 100% contradicting each other at this point and some clarification is in order. If they haven't decided yet, then fine. But we are getting two completely different answers from credible sources.

Wifeaggro13

Enodoc wrote: »

Veteran Ranks are going away completely once the final version of the Champion System is out. First they are replacing VP with XP as a way to rank up (that's what you quoted - if you go back in the transcript you will see that this is under the Phase 2 section of the update), then (in Phase 3) they are getting rid of ranks completely and the XP will be used for Champion Points.

@ZOS_GinaBruno answered this for me a couple of weeks back:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Welka wrote: »

Well no, my understanding is that the XP will go towards the champion system, since the veteran system is going altogether

It's very frustrating to have no comm on the subject from ZOS. The whole thing is confusing and most info we have is from speculation.

This discussion I had with @Laura sums up the confusion quite well:

Enodoc wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Laura wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Laura wrote: »

they are NOT taking the veteran ranks out and you will earn champion points while you rank up.

It is still under speculation that all gear may be set to 50 though.

There is an extensive interview on esotr about this

@Laura Have you got a link to that interview? It definitely hasn't been made very clear whether the end-result Champion system is an outright replacement to Veteran Ranks or being added as a parallel.

Personally I would like it as a parallel, that way there is both the horizontal progression of Champion Ratings and the vertical progression of Vet Ranks.

@Enodoc

http://elderscrollsotr.mymiddleearth.com/2014/07/11/episode-118-update-3-w-paul-sage/

this interview is long and I don't remember where he said it but I know he explicitly said they are NOT removing veteran ranks when it was asked in the interview.

That's great, thanks. +1 to the count of "parallel" then :P
Parallel leads 3:1 over replacement

Having just listened to the whole section on the Veteran System update, I still think it's ambiguous. @ZOS_PaulSage only said they are not removing Veteran Ranks when Veteran Points are exchanged for XP (Phase 2). He still hasn't said what happens to Veteran Ranks at Phase 3, when the Champion System is introduced, aside from that Champion Points will be gained by XP.
He did make a mention to "everybody level 50 and above", and also mentioned [paraphrased:] "introducing new Season gear that is not restricted by level", which both to me suggest that Veteran Ranks (above 50) and Veteran Gear will still exist.

I just wish someone @ZOS would come and give clarification. Even if they come and say that they haven't answered the question yet because they haven't completely decided whether to do away with VRs completely.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌, @ZOS_GinaBruno‌, please, try and find out for us whether Champion Points are an outright replacement or a parallel system to Veteran Ranks.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌, @ZOS_GinaBruno‌ we're still waiting on that clarification :P

Once the Champion System has been fully rolled out, it will replace Veteran Ranks. Don't worry, we'll go into much more detail as we get closer to releasing this new system. It's still being developed, though, so there are still some unknowns.

that is what i was looking for thank you. now i dont feel like i hallucinated it

Nestor

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

is the fact that you'll get bonus experience. If you haven't played for awhile -say you haven't played for 20 hours or something like that you'll get a bonus to the experience gains you get
It will be account wide so once you open up the Champion rank you will be able to take these points and apply to other characters. The points you put in one character won’t affect your other characters and there is a built in respec that will be fairly straightforward and easy to get.

So, basically, I create 8 characters level the snot out of one of them, ignore the other 7 for a month or so. Then I have 7 other characters that are all leveled up, and I can apply skill points (passives) to them even though they have not even done the starter islands?

Seriously?

I thought Colorado and Washington were the only states that legalized the stuff that would allow someone to think this is a good idea.

ers101284b14_ESO

Nestor wrote: »

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

is the fact that you'll get bonus experience. If you haven't played for awhile -say you haven't played for 20 hours or something like that you'll get a bonus to the experience gains you get
It will be account wide so once you open up the Champion rank you will be able to take these points and apply to other characters. The points you put in one character won’t affect your other characters and there is a built in respec that will be fairly straightforward and easy to get.

So, basically, I create 8 characters level the snot out of one of them, ignore the other 7 for a month or so, then have 7 other characters that are all leveled up, and I can apply skill points to them even though they have not even done the starter islands?

Seriously?

The champion points are going to be passives. So no you won't have 7 alts maxed out by ignoring them.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Nestor wrote: »

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

is the fact that you'll get bonus experience. If you haven't played for awhile -say you haven't played for 20 hours or something like that you'll get a bonus to the experience gains you get
It will be account wide so once you open up the Champion rank you will be able to take these points and apply to other characters. The points you put in one character won’t affect your other characters and there is a built in respec that will be fairly straightforward and easy to get.

So, basically, I create 8 characters level the snot out of one of them, ignore the other 7 for a month or so. Then I have 7 other characters that are all leveled up, and I can apply skill points (passives) to them even though they have not even done the starter islands?

Seriously?

I thought Colorado and Washington were the only states that legalized the stuff that would allow someone to think this is a good idea.

And what they mean by bonus experience is basically what other games called rested experience. Say for ever 20 hours you are off line you will get 1 hour of 125% xp for everything you do once you log back on.

Now obviously this isn't exact and not a real example, but it wont be like oh i didnt log in for a month ill have 25 bonus levels when i log on.

Nestor

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

And what they mean by bonus experience is basically what other games called rested experience. Say for ever 20 hours you are off line you will get 1 hour of 125% xp for everything you do once you log back on.

Be nice if for that hour they gave me experience for all the inventory shuffling around we do with our alts. That is basically the first 30 to 60 minutes of each of my sessions....

But, we still get to add Passives to our characters before we level as long as we have ground out one character. So, call it a half baked idea then.

Get the pun?

kitsinni

They have said conflicting things about the subject in different interviews. I don't think they have really made up their mind yet. I think at first they thought they would get rid of vet levels then they realized how much work it would take changing the gear and what would V6 gear become vs V12 gear etc then decided they are going to just keep vet levels.

Traugar

Nestor wrote: »

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

is the fact that you'll get bonus experience. If you haven't played for awhile -say you haven't played for 20 hours or something like that you'll get a bonus to the experience gains you get
It will be account wide so once you open up the Champion rank you will be able to take these points and apply to other characters. The points you put in one character won’t affect your other characters and there is a built in respec that will be fairly straightforward and easy to get.

So, basically, I create 8 characters level the snot out of one of them, ignore the other 7 for a month or so. Then I have 7 other characters that are all leveled up, and I can apply skill points (passives) to them even though they have not even done the starter islands?

Seriously?

I thought Colorado and Washington were the only states that legalized the stuff that would allow someone to think this is a good idea.

Those passives are going to have no more effect that using your higher level toon to equip new characters or using your friends to give each other run throughs of dungeons in other games.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

It would be nice if we could get a clarification on this.

Nestor

Traugar wrote: »

Those passives are going to have no more effect that using your higher level toon to equip new characters or

That's a pretty big boost on my Alts. A nice set of Blue Armor and Weapons at Level 4 makes for a Steam Roller through the Starter Islands....

No way I could have made that with my very first character.

KingRebz

YOU KEEP YOUR VETERAN RANK! INSTEAD OF VETERAN XP YOU GET NORMAL XP AND EARN CHAMPION POINTS.

Wifeaggro13

KingRebz wrote: »

YOU KEEP YOUR VETERAN RANK! INSTEAD OF VETERAN XP YOU GET NORMAL XP AND EARN CHAMPION POINTS.

Well that is contrary to what is being reported by devs as of recent events as well as community management

Alphashado

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

KingRebz wrote: »

YOU KEEP YOUR VETERAN RANK! INSTEAD OF VETERAN XP YOU GET NORMAL XP AND EARN CHAMPION POINTS.

Well that is contrary to what is being reported by devs as of recent events as well as community management

Actually, it depends on the developer. They have all been quoted saying opposite things.

Wifeaggro13

Alphashado wrote: »

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

KingRebz wrote: »

YOU KEEP YOUR VETERAN RANK! INSTEAD OF VETERAN XP YOU GET NORMAL XP AND EARN CHAMPION POINTS.

Well that is contrary to what is being reported by devs as of recent events as well as community management

Actually, it depends on the developer. They have all been quoted saying opposite things.

LOL true its why i say they have no control of their end game . it's like a bucking bronco right now and it seems they are just trying to hold on for 8 seconds.

Alphashado

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

KingRebz wrote: »

YOU KEEP YOUR VETERAN RANK! INSTEAD OF VETERAN XP YOU GET NORMAL XP AND EARN CHAMPION POINTS.

Well that is contrary to what is being reported by devs as of recent events as well as community management

Actually, it depends on the developer. They have all been quoted saying opposite things.

LOL true its why i say they have no control of their end game . it's like a bucking bronco right now and it seems they are just trying to hold on for 8 seconds.

Listen from 1:13-1:16 Nick Konkle basically says that VR gear requirements are probably going to be replaced with Champion point requirements because there will be no Vet ranks.
http://thequestshow.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/esotr120.mp3 He then goes on to say that much of it will depend on feedback from the PTS.

Then you have this:
Paul Sage:
"We are going to get rid of Veteran points - Veteran ranks are going to be gained through experience point gain. That means instead of going through and having to worry about whether you're gaining Veteran points in this way you'll have a very predictable path and actually faster path through your Veteran ranks."

They just haven't decided yet. It's really that simple.

Kalann_Pander

Nestor wrote: »

So, basically, I create 8 characters level the snot out of one of them, ignore the other 7 for a month or so. Then I have 7 other characters that are all leveled up, and I can apply skill points (passives) to them even though they have not even done the starter islands?

Seriously?

I thought Colorado and Washington were the only states that legalized the stuff that would allow someone to think this is a good idea.

The way I understood it, only level 50 characters would gain the Champion points. So no starter island BS

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Once the Champion System has been fully rolled out, it will replace Veteran Ranks. Don't worry, we'll go into much more detail as we get closer to releasing this new system. It's still being developed, though, so there are still some unknowns.

This seems to be a factual statement about the Champion system. I'll take at face value.

Maybe not worth getting our knickers in a twist about what is not only unknown, but undefined as of now ?

GnatB

What's the point of limiting the effectiveness of the champion "passives" to 1 character if there is a respec that's "fairly straightforward and easy to get". Play as character 1, put all champion points into it. Time to switch to character 2? respec, and put all champion points into character 2.

That said, I don't particularly see any benefit to me in the new champion system. While it encourages playing characters in series, I'm sorry, I find it far more enjoyable (and as crafting goes, useful if not neccessary) to play in parallel, so it seems doubtful the champion system will be of any use to me.

moraya

As I understand this pool of champion point will be available in its entirety to each character, so when you get more points every toon gets more points, and if you have earned say 100 champion levels, this is not something to use on one character or spread among your toons, but that each toon would have a pool of 100 champion points to spend..

Kalann_Pander

moraya wrote: »

As I understand this pool of champion point will be available in its entirety to each character, so when you get more points every toon gets more points, and if you have earned say 100 champion levels, this is not something to use on one character or spread among your toons, but that each toon would have a pool of 100 champion points to spend..

This is also how I understood it.
For those who play it, think the Parangon system in D3.

Amsel_McKay

"It will be account wide so once you open up the Champion rank you will be able to take these points and apply to other characters." - Stupid