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Dying your gear binds it... why?
badmojo
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Would it really be so bad if people make a business dying other peoples gear?
It just bothers me that I spent so much time and effort getting the materials to make and upgrade my gear, spent the time finding a crafter advanced enough to make it for me, and now I can't even pass it on to someone else, or sell it, when I move to my next set. All I can do is deconstruct it and get next to nothing back.
The icing on the cake was how you also made my barbaric medium armor extremely ugly in this patch, I had no choice but to bind it. Not only that, but it's got such a brownish tinge to it, it's hard to find anything that looks decent even with the dyes. In the end I settled on all black, which is only just a slightly darker version of what it looked like pre-patch.
I won't even get into how much my set bonuses were screwed up in this patch, that's another thread entirely.
It just bothers me that I spent so much time and effort getting the materials to make and upgrade my gear, spent the time finding a crafter advanced enough to make it for me, and now I can't even pass it on to someone else, or sell it, when I move to my next set. All I can do is deconstruct it and get next to nothing back.
The icing on the cake was how you also made my barbaric medium armor extremely ugly in this patch, I had no choice but to bind it. Not only that, but it's got such a brownish tinge to it, it's hard to find anything that looks decent even with the dyes. In the end I settled on all black, which is only just a slightly darker version of what it looked like pre-patch.
I won't even get into how much my set bonuses were screwed up in this patch, that's another thread entirely.
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Rhoric✭✭✭✭✭This horse has been beaten dead. It is because they are your achievements not someone else's achievement that they didn't earn.24 -
Mitrenga✭✭✭✭✭It would bring a new trade, rare dyes can go for huge amounts of gold. Good precaution from ZoS, i think.11 -
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✭You guys are only looking at it from one perspective. Yeah, I get it, if I want a rare color, I should have to earn it. I'm not really bringing this up because I want to skip the achievements.
My problem is, if I remove the dyes from my gear, it doesn't unbind it. Once you dye something, it can never be move to another account, regardless of what dyes are still on it. That seems to me like a huge oversight that will cause a lot of grief down the road.[DC/NA]10 -
Khami✭✭✭✭You guys are only looking at it from one perspective. Yeah, I get it, if I want a rare color, I should have to earn it. I'm not really bringing this up because I want to skip the achievements.
My problem is, if I remove the dyes from my gear, it doesn't unbind it. Once you dye something, it can never be move to another account, regardless of what dyes are still on it. That seems to me like a huge oversight that will cause a lot of grief down the road.
Grief? I doubt it. Most people especially end game vets are wearing sets and those sets are bound anyway. Dying my already bound armor is not an issue.
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✭You guys are only looking at it from one perspective. Yeah, I get it, if I want a rare color, I should have to earn it. I'm not really bringing this up because I want to skip the achievements.
My problem is, if I remove the dyes from my gear, it doesn't unbind it. Once you dye something, it can never be move to another account, regardless of what dyes are still on it. That seems to me like a huge oversight that will cause a lot of grief down the road.
Grief? I doubt it. Most people especially end game vets are wearing sets and those sets are bound anyway. Dying my already bound armor is not an issue.
Well, as long as you end game players aren't effected, there's nothing to worry about.
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Probably the game wouldn't know if was BOP before dyeing or not.My problem is, if I remove the dyes from my gear, it doesn't unbind it. Once you dye something, it can never be move to another account, regardless of what dyes are still on it. That seems to me like a huge oversight that will cause a lot of grief down the road.
This is a huge non-issue, it isn't a "huge oversight" nor will it lead to "a lot of grief", please cease the hyperbole.
Edited by fromtesonlineb16_ESO on August 6, 2014 6:26AM8 -
KariTR✭✭✭✭✭You guys are only looking at it from one perspective. Yeah, I get it, if I want a rare color, I should have to earn it. I'm not really bringing this up because I want to skip the achievements.
My problem is, if I remove the dyes from my gear, it doesn't unbind it. Once you dye something, it can never be move to another account, regardless of what dyes are still on it. That seems to me like a huge oversight that will cause a lot of grief down the road.
What you mean is, if I unequip gear it doesn't unbind.
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aipex8_ESO✭✭✭✭✭You guys are only looking at it from one perspective. Yeah, I get it, if I want a rare color, I should have to earn it. I'm not really bringing this up because I want to skip the achievements.
My problem is, if I remove the dyes from my gear, it doesn't unbind it. Once you dye something, it can never be move to another account, regardless of what dyes are still on it. That seems to me like a huge oversight that will cause a lot of grief down the road.
Grief? I doubt it. Most people especially end game vets are wearing sets and those sets are bound anyway. Dying my already bound armor is not an issue.
Well, as long as you end game players aren't effected, there's nothing to worry about.
/rolleyes
He said "most people," and he's right. I was crafting sets very early, and before that I just deconstructed or researched most of my non-BOE gear, so I don't really see this as an issue either.5 -
Dekkameron✭✭✭✭✭You can still put it in the bank and use it on an alt.- Veteran Combat Librarian -6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I actually agree, one should be able to undyefy ones armor and unbind it that way.
I mean, ZOS surely has heard of this thing called bleach, yes?
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✭Blooddancer wrote: »Why would you want to send low level gear to another account.
It's VR1 gear, crafted sets and upgraded with purple enchants. I'd rather sell it or at least see it go to a good home. But, after using the dye station, even if I remove the dye, it's never leaving my account.
I'll admit that I didn't read the prompt when I did it. And it's not the end of the world that I did it, I probably would have still done it if I did read it first. Point is this is a stupid restriction (I'm guessing) for the sake of saving a bit of space on a database. If we can remove the dye at the station, why doesn't that remove the bound part too?
I'd put it in the bank for my other nightblade alt, but she is a Khajit and the barbaric armor wouldn't suit her. And being able to use it on an alt doesn't make this any less annoying to me.Edited by badmojo on August 6, 2014 10:04AM[DC/NA]3 -
badmojo✭✭✭✭✭
✭everyone should earn there colors imo
I don't really understand why this applies to dyes, and not things like food, clothing, weapons, potions, motifs, recipes, etc. I mean, if I have to become emperor in order to paint something red, why can I buy a daedric motif? Or a set that requires 8 traits to craft? They could easily bind on pickup the motifs, make the crafted armor from them bound, make crafted sets bound.
Why is dyed armor the only craftable thing that can't be traded?[DC/NA]3 -
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✭✭Blooddancer wrote: »Why would you want to send low level gear to another account.
It's VR1 gear, crafted sets and upgraded with purple enchants. I'd rather sell it or at least see it go to a good home. But, after using the dye station, even if I remove the dye, it's never leaving my account.
I'll admit that I didn't read the prompt when I did it. And it's not the end of the world that I did it, I probably would have still done it if I did read it first. Point is this is a stupid restriction (I'm guessing) for the sake of saving a bit of space on a database. If we can remove the dye at the station, why doesn't that remove the bound part too?
I'd put it in the bank for my other nightblade alt, but she is a Khajit and the barbaric armor wouldn't suit her. And being able to use it on an alt doesn't make this any less annoying to me.
Crafted sets are allerady BOE regardless of dye or no dye (at least all the ones I have are).
As for sets that aren't BOE almost nobody will buy them and if they do it won't be for a lot of gold.
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Heishi✭✭✭✭✭Blooddancer wrote: »Why would you want to send low level gear to another account.
It's VR1 gear, crafted sets and upgraded with purple enchants. I'd rather sell it or at least see it go to a good home. But, after using the dye station, even if I remove the dye, it's never leaving my account.
I'll admit that I didn't read the prompt when I did it. And it's not the end of the world that I did it, I probably would have still done it if I did read it first. Point is this is a stupid restriction (I'm guessing) for the sake of saving a bit of space on a database. If we can remove the dye at the station, why doesn't that remove the bound part too?
I'd put it in the bank for my other nightblade alt, but she is a Khajit and the barbaric armor wouldn't suit her. And being able to use it on an alt doesn't make this any less annoying to me.
Crafted sets are allerady BOE regardless of dye or no dye (at least all the ones I have are).
As for sets that aren't BOE almost nobody will buy them and if they do it won't be for a lot of gold.
I was thinking this and was going to bring it up to @badmojo that any gear you craft worth using will be BOE, so dying it doesn't matter. I can't imagine anyone buying gear that wouldn't be BOE quality. So it really doesn't change anything (as mentioned by a few people before this).
This is the best quote XD We have zombie horses everywhere still being beatenThis horse has been beaten dead. It is because they are your achievements not someone else's achievement that they didn't earn.
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✭You guys are only looking at it from one perspective. Yeah, I get it, if I want a rare color, I should have to earn it. I'm not really bringing this up because I want to skip the achievements.
My problem is, if I remove the dyes from my gear, it doesn't unbind it. Once you dye something, it can never be move to another account, regardless of what dyes are still on it. That seems to me like a huge oversight that will cause a lot of grief down the road.
Grief? I doubt it. Most people especially end game vets are wearing sets and those sets are bound anyway. Dying my already bound armor is not an issue.
Well, as long as you end game players aren't effected, there's nothing to worry about.
/rolleyes
my newb characters wear sets too, why would you have a crafyer make you armor and not have them use sets?Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.2 -
cf398ub17_ESO✭✭✭what i like is when i create my alt i can still use all the colors my vet 12 can2 -
Sharp✭✭✭I personally would like to see this, but, they'd need to make a big change to the dye system. I think dyes should be obtained much like motifs. Found, bought, sold, or traded.Halfheart - VR 12 Altmer Sorcerer0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I personally would like to see this, but, they'd need to make a big change to the dye system. I think dyes should be obtained much like motifs. Found, bought, sold, or traded.
No, no, no and no.
Dyes represent your progress in the game. They do not represent your ability to buy/farm.
OP: As mentioned, your crafted armor was already BoE. This thread should have died as soon as that point was raised.----
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✭Some people are looking at this as yet another player economy wall. Not that I want to sell my dyed equipment, but locking it to my account neuters the armor for resale. Just seems people who WANT to be merchants/traders, really can't have any sort of market.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭My problem is, if I remove the dyes from my gear, it doesn't unbind it. Once you dye something, it can never be move to another account, regardless of what dyes are still on it. That seems to me like a huge oversight that will cause a lot of grief down the road.
Crafted Sets are Account Bound, always have been. It makes sense that the dies are account bound too. Reason, you can't get these things until you have put in the time and effort to unlock them.
Besides, there are like 10 shades of Black (or any color really), if you have not unlocked one of them, use the one you have unlocked. I don't know if anyone else on the screen can tell if someone has Covenant Blue or Superior Blue dyes on by looking at the toon.
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✭✭The only change needed (IMHO) is that the dye system should dye the Slot for items, instead of the items themselves. So if you dye your Chest slot, regardless which Chest piece you have slotted there, it reflects the dye colors you have chosen. This would remove any need for the items becoming bound, and keeps the intent for Achievements being the method for acquiring dyes intact.
Edited by DenverRalphy on August 6, 2014 3:13PM2 -
Obscure✭✭✭✭✭I actually agree, one should be able to undyefy ones armor and unbind it that way.
I mean, ZOS surely has heard of this thing called bleach, yes?
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I'm all for options like that, but I can't think of a single instance in which ZOS has favored giving the player options over pushing out content as fast as possible (with or without proper testing or feedback).
The live build really feels like a massive beta test, and all of our feedback will be evaluated and considered for the up coming console build of the game.
Maybe they'll add the option, maybe they won't (is it really that hard to turn armor back to default colors when trading it?). Either way I doubt we'll see any such option added before there's a console version audience to *** about it.0 -
Sharp✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »I personally would like to see this, but, they'd need to make a big change to the dye system. I think dyes should be obtained much like motifs. Found, bought, sold, or traded.
No, no, no and no.
Dyes represent your progress in the game. They do not represent your ability to buy/farm.
OP: As mentioned, your crafted armor was already BoE. This thread should have died as soon as that point was raised.
Only because they extend from achievements. Achievements represent your progress in the game. Some of hardest achievements give dyes that I wouldn't even want. I am not saying remove all of the dyes from achievements, I am just saying be consistent. Motifs should probably be tied to achievements as well then.Halfheart - VR 12 Altmer Sorcerer0 -
Anastasia✭✭✭✭
<<<<<everyone should earn there colors imo
I don't really understand why this applies to dyes, and not things like food, clothing, weapons, potions, motifs, recipes, etc. I mean, if I have to become emperor in order to paint something red, why can I buy a daedric motif? Or a set that requires 8 traits to craft? They could easily bind on pickup the motifs, make the crafted armor from them bound, make crafted sets bound.
>>>>Why is dyed armor the only craftable thing that can't be
traded?
But, but, but .... its NOT crafted. It 'seems' to have a crafting table/station, it is set up generally in parallel with crafting area's, one needs to 'manipulate' features during the dye process...but, nope, its most definitely NOT a craft or craftable nor does it result in any product which is treated in the same way as all other craftable products in this MMO. (*) ZOS didn't design it that way.
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sotonin✭✭✭Personally i think they SHOULD open it up to create a new "dying" business for crafters. Imagine crafting some full set of armor and pre dying it some super rare color and then auctioning it off all together. It could be very lucrative for folks who don't want to do whatever god awful achievement thats required for the colors.1
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sotonin✭✭✭Some people are looking at this as yet another player economy wall. Not that I want to sell my dyed equipment, but locking it to my account neuters the armor for resale. Just seems people who WANT to be merchants/traders, really can't have any sort of market.
Agreed. every step of the way ZOS has gone out of their way to eliminate various avenues for being a "true" crafter. A lot of folks get off on playing mmos and focusing on crafting, being the best at what they do and selling their wares. It's very difficult to do it without frustration or extreme time investment (time investment to get there is fine, but added time investment just to unload stuff you have crafted is a hinderance)Edited by sotonin on August 6, 2014 9:35PM1 -
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I'll admit that I didn't read the prompt when I did it. And it's not the end of the world that I did it, I probably would have still done it if I did read it first. Point is this is a stupid restriction (I'm guessing) for the sake of saving a bit of space on a database.
No. It's pretty simple. It's to stop people with very high level chars and lots of achievements from gold farming the dyes. I can make almost anything with my league of crafters and I could put any colour I have on the armor and sell it to people who do not have those cheevos if the stuff was not bound.
This way it's really up to you and not your bank account.
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