Earning Gold - Best ways for the Solo player?

cracker81

On average I walk out with either purple or yellow crafting material. Drop rate on green armor get about 30 to 50. 3 bosses same almost from a vet dungeon. Better gear will drop from vet. You ask to make gold. Kodus will make you gold. Be warned pvp is there and the dungeon is almost as difficult as a group but you can solo it. Have ultimate charged for boss. Oh don't broad cast what you are doing. Why? We have spies. If you go inside and see things dead expect company. You can set up an ambush and let the Npc help take out enemy.

cracker81

I look at cyrodiil solo public dungeon as end game for the solo pve ppl. Offers a lot of challenge and good drop rate.

Azzuria

GreySix wrote: »

dharbert wrote: »

How, exactly, is selling motifs and looted/crafted gear "exploiting" other players?

same way gold-sellers exploit folks; lazy people will pay lots of gold (likely purchased from gold-sellers) to buy stuff they could farm themselves.

It's one of the aspects I detest about MMOs.

Engaging in commerce is not exploitation. If you have something someone wants you both come to an agreed upon price and, VIOLA! The magic of free market economics!

I have 4 active alts, am deconn'ing -everything- for my crafters, feeding 4 horses every day and still managed to save over 60k gold without one toon making it to 50 yet.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming]

Sindala

firstdecan wrote: »

unless someone has a trick or gimmick to share. I would love to see a discussion on these tricks \ gimmicks, or a discussion on good "grind " spots for making money.

Sorry to tell you this, but if somebody does have a good trick/gimmick to gain gold. Chances are they ain't gonna share it

We learned very early in MMO games, if you tell about a good way to earn gold then its either camped for life or nerfed.
We keep themz fingz secwet nowz...

dharbert

Azzuria wrote: »

Engaging in commerce is not exploitation. If you have something someone wants you both come to an agreed upon price and, VIOLA! The magic of free market economics!

But if you've been steeped in collectivist stupidity to the point where free exchange is somehow immoral or evil, I actually pity you and, No, you cannot 'have' anything I worked for. Go earn it, lazy a**.

+ 1

I'd watch it though. Any comment deemed remotely "political" will get removed, as mine was not more than an hour ago.

traigusb14_ESO2

firstdecan wrote: »

cracker81 wrote: »

Cyrodiil solo dungeons have a good drop rate

How are they compared to VR dungeons? Is it better than soloing a public group dungeon?

Doing the boss and skyshard collecting in Cyrodil, I noticed 2 interesting things about the delves in there.


- 43 million chests.

- I swear 9 out of 10 runes indoors in Cyrodil are orange type (Aspect? the round third type, (not 9 out of 10 are kutas, though I got a lot of those too...)) and there are a lot of them.

The loot is only VR5, but there is a lot of it, and vendor pricing is not that different from VR12 stuff Got a lot of blue and green... purples from hall trash not bosses (bosses don't seem to drop better than blue).

dharbert

firstdecan wrote: »

I'd ask you what is lazier: sitting in mommy's basement playing video games all day or working all day and then enjoying a bit of escapism in the off hours. People like you make me wish this was a F2P game with very expensive in game items to purchase, because I actively engage in real world economics, and trust me, I can afford many things you cannot.

In game commerce is not real commerce. It's a token economy used to buy nothing of real value. If you think anything you've done in this game is "earned," it's time for mommy to cut off your allowance, move out of the basement, and see what the real world believes about your "earning" potential.

Back to the point: I'd like more in game gold. I'm an end game player and can do many things to earn it. Unlike many of the people responding to this thread, my real world time has value, and as such I'd like to get the most value for any time I spend "grinding" gold so I can spend more time in game doing fun things like PvP.

You berate the guy who posted, yet you are the one who is crying about "not having enough gold and how to earn more".

Obviously you DO think that money in this game is earned by virtue of your real-world time spent playing this game.

And you aren't the only person playing this game who makes a very comfortable living and still has time to play.

Personal attacks are reportable, so if I were you, I'd edit that post.

Kizziexo

firstdecan wrote: »

Azzuria wrote: »

GreySix wrote: »

dharbert wrote: »

How, exactly, is selling motifs and looted/crafted gear "exploiting" other players?

same way gold-sellers exploit folks; lazy people will pay lots of gold (likely purchased from gold-sellers) to buy stuff they could farm themselves.

It's one of the aspects I detest about MMOs.

Engaging in commerce is not exploitation. If you have something someone wants you both come to an agreed upon price and, VIOLA! The magic of free market economics!

But if you've been steeped in collectivist stupidity to the point where free exchange is somehow immoral or evil, I actually pity you and, No, you cannot 'have' anything I worked for. Go earn it, lazy a**.

I'm debating whether or not I should flag this post, this is highly derogatory and highly uninformed.

I'd ask you what is lazier: sitting in mommy's basement playing video games all day or working all day and then enjoying a bit of escapism in the off hours. People like you make me wish this was a F2P game with very expensive in game items to purchase, because I actively engage in real world economics, and trust me, I can afford many things you cannot.

In game commerce is not real commerce. It's a token economy used to buy nothing of real value. If you think anything you've done in this game is "earned," it's time for mommy to cut off your allowance, move out of the basement, and see what the real world believes about your "earning" potential.

Back to the point: I'd like more in game gold. I'm an end game player and can do many things to earn it. Unlike many of the people responding to this thread, my real world time has value, and as such I'd like to get the most value for any time I spend "grinding" gold so I can spend more time in game doing fun things like PvP.

Guys like you make me sick. Acting as if you and "your time" deserves such high praise. Good you work, just like everyone the **** else who does and they don't run around chanting it and assuming someone who has more time lives in a basement with no life. Just because you have to slave around at a crappy job all day doesn't justify anything, you're doing what you're supposed to do. That doesn't make you special or better than anybody on this forum. I know plenty ppl that play this same game at work, and I know even more ppl with full time jobs that pay more than the typical amount that have plenty time to play the game. Stop bashing ppl like you know their lives & situations and go to your "job" that you take pride in so much. Never seen someone throw things that most ppl are doing like it's something spectacular. Your just like everyone else & no better so cut the talk. It's a freaking game, we all play it and that is that. Stop bringing up your real life and complaining on forums that "You don't have time to play it" & that " Your real time has value" Then don't play. It's that simple.

dharbert

firstdecan wrote: »

I'm debating whether or not I should flag this post, this is highly derogatory and highly uninformed.

And yet you immediately respond with a "highly derogatory" and "highly uninformed" post yourself. I'm shocked....

Welka

Calm down guys. I have a full time job and a little one. I still manage to have plenty of time to play. Everyone's situation is different

firstdecan

dharbert wrote: »

firstdecan wrote: »

I'd ask you what is lazier: sitting in mommy's basement playing video games all day or working all day and then enjoying a bit of escapism in the off hours. People like you make me wish this was a F2P game with very expensive in game items to purchase, because I actively engage in real world economics, and trust me, I can afford many things you cannot.

In game commerce is not real commerce. It's a token economy used to buy nothing of real value. If you think anything you've done in this game is "earned," it's time for mommy to cut off your allowance, move out of the basement, and see what the real world believes about your "earning" potential.

Back to the point: I'd like more in game gold. I'm an end game player and can do many things to earn it. Unlike many of the people responding to this thread, my real world time has value, and as such I'd like to get the most value for any time I spend "grinding" gold so I can spend more time in game doing fun things like PvP.

You berate the guy who posted, yet you are the one who is crying about "not having enough gold and how to earn more".

Obviously you DO think that money in this game is earned by virtue of your real-world time spent playing this game.

And you aren't the only person playing this game who makes a very comfortable living and still has time to play.

Personal attacks are reportable, so if I were you, I'd edit that post.

Please report it. I'd love for my post to get reported. I started off a civil conversation on how to earn more gold outside of exploiting other players, and am being attacked for it. But to set the record straight:

1 - At what point did I complain about not enough gold? I simply asked if there were ways to earn it faster. And if I must divulge my rationale for doing so, it's because what I enjoy the most about the game (PvP) provides next to no rewards. The more time I have to spend doing PvE is the less time I have to spend doing PvP.

2 - I do not think money in this game should be acquirable through real world money, but to be honest, it would make no difference to me if it were (legitimately, not through gold brokers who are using stolen credit cards to buy their game accounts).

3 - I never said I was the only person making a comfortable living and also enjoying this game, my only question was how can time I would like to spend in game earning gold be best spent without exploiting other players.

4 - The guy I "berated" went off on some unfounded attack about communism, and used language that had to be censored. How am I the one levying personal attacks by showing the logical fallacies in his attack?

So again, please report me. Pretty Please. This thread is about to be closed anyway because you guys have completely derailed it. It's completely off topic and has devolved into nothing more than a flame fest. I only took a defensive tone with the individual who was hostile with me, with the rest of the "community" somehow offended because I don't want to exploit other players. If it wasn't for the fact that I'm very aware of my surroundings, I'd think that was a poor ripoff of the twighlight zone.

dharbert

We listed several alternative methods of earning gold. You refused to see the merit in any of them.

You consider selling items to other players as being exploitative because other players are able to get these items on their own without having to pay for them.

I guess you consider yourself to be exploited when you go to the grocery store to buy a gallon of milk, because you should have known how to milk a cow and get that milk yourself so you don't have to pay for it.

Anyway, enjoy your time spent earning zero gold in PVP and continue to shun all suggestions to other methods of revenue generation.

/thread

GreySix

Azzuria wrote: »

GreySix wrote: »

dharbert wrote: »

How, exactly, is selling motifs and looted/crafted gear "exploiting" other players?

same way gold-sellers exploit folks; lazy people will pay lots of gold (likely purchased from gold-sellers) to buy stuff they could farm themselves.

It's one of the aspects I detest about MMOs.

Engaging in commerce is not exploitation. If you have something someone wants you both come to an agreed upon price and, VIOLA! The magic of free market economics!

Then you should have absolutely no issue with gold-sellers.

Do you?

Chose to ignore the rest of your post, since it was little more than a thinly disguised personal attack.

Kizziexo

I make all my gold farming motifs and I sit on plenty gold. If I'm considered exploiting then so be it. They wouldn't be tradeable if it's an exploit so I highly doubt it is.

NorthernFury

firstdecan wrote: »

cracker81 wrote: »

Cyrodiil solo dungeons have a good drop rate

How are they compared to VR dungeons? Is it better than soloing a public group dungeon?

It's basically a VR5 pub dungeon with multiple 'bosses' and some opposing faction players to farm occasionally.

Tabbycat

I know it would be cheaper to not repair my armor but the OCD side of me insists.

DenverRalphy

If selling to other players is exploitation, then by that rationale, you would not allow yourself to be exploited. So therefore you wouldn't spend any of your coin on player sold items. Expanding upon that... If you never spend coin on player sold items, then why such a desire to accumulate gold? What do you need so much gold for? Despite what some would like to decree... Solo play provides more than enough gold to acquire a mount, repairs, etc..

If the theory is that anything can be acquired by any player, thus being self sufficient.... Why even need the gold?

dharbert

DenverRalphy wrote: »

If selling to other players is exploitation, then by that rationale, you would not allow yourself to be exploited. So therefore you wouldn't spend any of your coin on player sold items. Expanding upon that... If you never spend coin on player sold items, then why such a desire to accumulate gold? What do you need so much gold for? Despite what some would like to decree... Solo play provides more than enough gold to acquire a mount, repairs, etc..

If the theory is that anything can be acquired by any player, thus being self sufficient.... Why even need the gold?

Because that is the mindset of a certain type of individual with certain beliefs and leanings, which I will not comment upon further because it will be removed.

firstdecan

dharbert wrote: »

We listed several alternative methods of earning gold. You refused to see the merit in any of them.

You consider selling items to other players as being exploitative because other players are able to get these items on their own without having to pay for them.

I guess you consider yourself to be exploited when you go to the grocery store to buy a gallon of milk, because you should have known how to milk a cow and get that milk yourself so you don't have to pay for it.

Anyway, enjoy your time spent earning zero gold in PVP and continue to shun all suggestions to other methods of revenue generation.

/thread

Mild personal attack, I will look past it.

I specifically said at the beginning I'm not interested in trading to earn significant gold because that money has to come from somewhere. If I'm not the one farming drops, then someone else has to in order to afford what I sell. In this particular circumstance that is exploitive, because it takes a lot of someone else's time \ effort and almost none of mine. I see no reason why I should be able to sell 8 trait items (or anything else) for a significant in game benefit simply because I bought early access and pressed "R" a few times to trigger research since then.

Your analogy is completely fallacious. A better analogy would be that the farmer had to raise and milk a cow for someone's benefit simply because you pressed "r" a couple of times on a keyboard, or happened to be a Dutchman in 1637 and in possession of a tulip bulb. (it would be more accurate to say that the farmer bought the tulip bulb as an investment expecting a return, but the point is the same. I also expect that very few people will understand the reference).

Again, I'm being attacked because I don't want to exploit other players and charge the ridiculous amounts of money currently being charged in this highly unstable and bubble prone in game "economy."

As for your suggestion, I have been enjoying the game earning nothing in PvP, and will continue to do so. I will also continue to avoid suggestions involving the exploitation of other players. You may continue to play the game as you wish as well.

Esha76

My first VR10 has 210k gold. My 2nd has 260k. My Sorc right now has 180k, and my DK has 90k. I assume that's a lot, but I'm really not sure what "a lot" is in this game.

I have never sold a motif, as a matter of fact I'm sitting on all of them including Imperial (no, not for sale, and no you cannot has). Ponies have been fed everyday. I also decon everything I get until that craft hits rank 50. My 2 VR10s are at 50 BS,WW, and Cloth. Sorc is almost there. Each toon has 100 bag space with a 120 space bank, and a 100 bag space mule.

I've sold occasional things in the guild stores like a stack of mats, or a helm here and there, but never anything that went over 1000. And that hasn't been for a while. The two trading guilds I am in have pretty much died off.

I also don't spend anything. On the risk of sounding like an elitist, I don't die very often. I had also bought the Imperial Edition, so my ponies are only 1 gold. Huge cost saving there. I also almost never port anywhere. I take the time to walk or ride to each wayshrine and travel that way. I imagine if one is porting all the time, that will add up quickly. I'm also completely self-sustaining, I never need to buy anything off others. My sorc makes glyphs and potions for my other toons (up to top rank as well). The NB and Templar make weapons and armor for the other toons - Everything at 6-8 traits so I'm crafting set bonus stuff as well... They all decon everything regardless if they craft that item or not - thus having the mats to support themselves. That cuts down tons of cost. Another reason for that is so they can get the rank 3 hirelings to bring them the high end mats to support making their high end gear each day. Again, I never sell any of that stuff either.

Now, that VR10 NB was my first toon and she did that without any support from my alts. Probably why the 2nd has 260k. I attribute it all to being very self sufficient.

Being an anti-social isolationist solo player does have its advantages.

firstdecan

DenverRalphy wrote: »

If selling to other players is exploitation, then by that rationale, you would not allow yourself to be exploited. So therefore you wouldn't spend any of your coin on player sold items. Expanding upon that... If you never spend coin on player sold items, then why such a desire to accumulate gold? What do you need so much gold for? Despite what some would like to decree... Solo play provides more than enough gold to acquire a mount, repairs, etc..

If the theory is that anything can be acquired by any player, thus being self sufficient.... Why even need the gold?

Thank you for not taking the hostile tone.

It's the exchange rate. I see nothing wrong with selling things to other players, but it's exploitive when something that takes 5 minutes of my time is exchanged for hours and hours of someone else's time. The gold comes from somewhere, and an equitable exchange would involve either equitable sweat equity or time benefit to those willing to make the exchange. I think exchange is fine, I exchanged many research items building up crafts, I've traded 8 trait items for other 8 trait items or other reasonable compensation. But if a friend or guildie hands me the mats, I don't rationally see how they owe me anything for pressing a keyboard button to create the item.

Many of the people buying these things are looking for an edge in trials or an edge in PvP or to have an easier time with the game, and the only reason they are buying them is because the game mechanics are not clear to them, they didn't realize they would want or need these items, and simply didn't know to plan ahead.

When v1.3 comes out, I could probably make a killing on crafting. Everyone is going to want new sets because Zeni is retooling them. Is it fair to the players who have already dumped a ton of gold into getting their current set that they will now have to spend a ton of gold on a new one? Should I simply charge them as much as I can for new items because they'll need the new items for their build? Watch the prices when v1.3 rolls out. They will become ridiculous for 3-4 weeks, as will the prices on ore \ refined mats. Can I make a lot of money on that? Absolutely. The question then becomes: is what I'm doing opportunistic or exploitive (and is there a difference)?

Again though, the original question is this: What is the best way to earn gold outside of player trade for a solo player? The Cyrodiil dungeons or farming public dungeons is the only reasonable responses I've heard so far (and these may be the only answers). Everything else is off topic. Many of these off topic posts are just inexplicable.

Grunim

firstdecan wrote: »

Again though, the original question is this: What is the best way to earn gold outside of player trade for a solo player? The Cyrodiil dungeons or farming public dungeons is the only reasonable responses I've heard so far (and these may be the only answers). Everything else is off topic. Many of these off topic posts are just inexplicable.

I have too many unused refinement mats such as hemming sitting in my bank for a rainy day. One guildie suggested instead of destroying the zero value white items I loot from containers, that I upgrade them to green quality and sell them to a vendor. That's another way to make some money without having to sell to other players.

Zorrashi

Hm, assuming you are not going to partake in the guild stores.....

Quests.
Mat collection (assuming you don't use em)
Dungeons
Provisioning can actually get you some good coin if you know the common recipes and gather the correct materials. (May prove difficult with the upcoming 1.3)

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

okay the guy earlier who said he has 4 active alts and hasn't gotten any of them to 50 and has 50k gold. He knows how to make money. Alts are low maintenance (you become much higher maintenance the higher your level) and leveling them results in swimming in money. I am constantly handing the bulk of my alts' gold to my main.

Now when all those alts get to vet ranks they will be more costly with less reward. (though you might still make money.)

Azzuria

GreySix wrote: »

Azzuria wrote: »

GreySix wrote: »

dharbert wrote: »

How, exactly, is selling motifs and looted/crafted gear "exploiting" other players?

same way gold-sellers exploit folks; lazy people will pay lots of gold (likely purchased from gold-sellers) to buy stuff they could farm themselves.

It's one of the aspects I detest about MMOs.

Engaging in commerce is not exploitation. If you have something someone wants you both come to an agreed upon price and, VIOLA! The magic of free market economics!

Then you should have absolutely no issue with gold-sellers.

Do you?

Chose to ignore the rest of your post, since it was little more than a thinly disguised personal attack.

I have a HUGE issue with gold sellers because it's against the TOS. I don't even mind that the Moderator edited my previous post because what I said in the heat of the moment violated the TOS. It's called consistency.

And to all those who flamed back... I do work. I work my arse off for a non-profit Veteran Service Organization, helping disabled veterans. So if you want to get all up on your moral high horse, don't.

I come to ESO for a little escape and enjoyment. That's just one of the reasons I dislike gold sellers and buyers, they clutter up general chat and perpetuate a economy-distorting black market. The only thing that rankles me more than gold sellers is lazy, entitled zone chat beggars who seem to think that because they want something for nothing that it's in some manner our duty to offer it up for the privilege of their annoying presence.

While my tone and words were less than pleasant, the message still stands. There is plenty of gold to be had if one were to simply engage in a little trade, savings and making due with weapon and armor that is simply sufficient instead of insisting on being equipped in the very best available at any given moment without the requisite effort to actually obtain it.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

Azzuria wrote: »

GreySix wrote: »

Azzuria wrote: »

GreySix wrote: »

dharbert wrote: »

How, exactly, is selling motifs and looted/crafted gear "exploiting" other players?

same way gold-sellers exploit folks; lazy people will pay lots of gold (likely purchased from gold-sellers) to buy stuff they could farm themselves.

It's one of the aspects I detest about MMOs.

Engaging in commerce is not exploitation. If you have something someone wants you both come to an agreed upon price and, VIOLA! The magic of free market economics!

Then you should have absolutely no issue with gold-sellers.

Do you?

Chose to ignore the rest of your post, since it was little more than a thinly disguised personal attack.

I have a HUGE issue with gold sellers because it's against the TOS. I don't even mind that the Moderator edited my previous post because what I said in the heat of the moment violated the TOS. It's called consistency.

And to all those who flamed back... I do work. I work my arse off for a non-profit Veteran Service Organization, helping disabled veterans. So if you want to get all up on your moral high horse, don't.

I come to ESO for a little escape and enjoyment. That's just one of the reasons I dislike gold sellers and buyers, they clutter up general chat and perpetuate a economy-distorting black market. The only thing that rankles me more than gold sellers is lazy, entitled zone chat beggars who seem to think that because they want something for nothing that it's in some manner our duty to offer it up for the privilege of their annoying presence.

While my tone and words were less than pleasant, the message still stands. There is plenty of gold to be had if one were to simply engage in a little trade, savings and making due with weapon and armor that is simply sufficient instead of insisting on being equipped in the very best available at any given moment without the requisite effort to actually obtain it.

please don't bring your personal life into this in an attempt to appeal to peoples' emotions.

It's rather scummy imo. If you point is valid, whether you work all day caring for paraplegic orphans is irrelevant.

Azzuria

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Azzuria wrote: »

GreySix wrote: »

Azzuria wrote: »

GreySix wrote: »

dharbert wrote: »

How, exactly, is selling motifs and looted/crafted gear "exploiting" other players?

same way gold-sellers exploit folks; lazy people will pay lots of gold (likely purchased from gold-sellers) to buy stuff they could farm themselves.

It's one of the aspects I detest about MMOs.

Engaging in commerce is not exploitation. If you have something someone wants you both come to an agreed upon price and, VIOLA! The magic of free market economics!

Then you should have absolutely no issue with gold-sellers.

Do you?

Chose to ignore the rest of your post, since it was little more than a thinly disguised personal attack.

I have a HUGE issue with gold sellers because it's against the TOS. I don't even mind that the Moderator edited my previous post because what I said in the heat of the moment violated the TOS. It's called consistency.

And to all those who flamed back... I do work. I work my arse off for a non-profit Veteran Service Organization, helping disabled veterans. So if you want to get all up on your moral high horse, don't.

I come to ESO for a little escape and enjoyment. That's just one of the reasons I dislike gold sellers and buyers, they clutter up general chat and perpetuate a economy-distorting black market. The only thing that rankles me more than gold sellers is lazy, entitled zone chat beggars who seem to think that because they want something for nothing that it's in some manner our duty to offer it up for the privilege of their annoying presence.

While my tone and words were less than pleasant, the message still stands. There is plenty of gold to be had if one were to simply engage in a little trade, savings and making due with weapon and armor that is simply sufficient instead of insisting on being equipped in the very best available at any given moment without the requisite effort to actually obtain it.

please don't bring your personal life into this in an attempt to appeal to peoples' emotions.

It's rather scummy imo. If you point is valid, whether you work all day caring for paraplegic orphans is irrelevant.

It was a retort to the 'mommy's basement' comment. But I get your point.

arkansas_ESO

GreySix wrote: »

dharbert wrote: »

How, exactly, is selling motifs and looted/crafted gear "exploiting" other players?

same way gold-sellers exploit folks; lazy people will pay lots of gold (likely purchased from gold-sellers) to buy stuff they could farm themselves.

It's one of the aspects I detest about MMOs.

And? This is a part of the economy, both in ESO and IRL. You pay for convenience.

arkansas_ESO

Run around in vet public dungeons that you haven't completed the quest for to get a good amount of drops. Just understand this is chump change compared to what you can get from crafting or motif farming, especially when you take into consideration repair costs.

Anvos

Well if you invest in at least into the tier crafting skills, solo crafting can give you a set immediate base profit from crafting and then merchant selling.

Then there is also deco harvesting stuff above green that drops as loot and selling the tanins when you get more than you need.