Just awful. Plain and Simple. II

Jeth

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

You can't blame ZOS for not making the game based on Mac specs. Mac is great if all you do is A/V stuff otherwise buy a real computer. This is Apple's fault for making proprietary stuff that is just not compatible with what 80% of people use. It stuns me that people still buy their products even though there is absolutely nothing special about them. I am using Windows 8.1 and I have zero problems aside from the already established bugs. And I love Windows 8.1 BTW.

Yes, because the ghost of SJ made them release and SELL!!!!!!! a product that runs on the most stable OS known to the market and SELL!!!!!!! it under the pretense that it works. I didn't really find that in the Elder Scrolls. I should read again?

nicholaspingasb16_ESO

Loco_Mofo wrote: »

[ MAC RECOMMENDED SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS ]
Operating System: Mac® OS X 10.7.0 or later
Processor: Intel® i5
Video Card: NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 650M or ATI™ Radeon™ HD 5770 or better
Memory: 4GB Ram
Storage: 60GB
Media: DVD-ROM


[ MAC MINIMUM SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS ]
Operating System: Mac® OS X 10.7.0 or later
Processor: Intel® Core™ 2 Duo
Video Card: Intel™ HD Graphics 4000, NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 330M or ATI™ Radeon™ HD 6490M or better
Memory: 4GB Ram
Storage: 60GB
Media: DVD-ROM
Resolution: 1024X768 minimum display resolution


He meets the recommended specs.

The recommended specs for the game are ***. My comp meets the recommended and to get a constant 30 FPS with no frame drops and 60 in dungeons, i have to run it at medium at 900p, or low at 1080.

indytims_ESO

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO wrote: »

I won't go into details on the Mac vs PC debate in general, but I want to say this much: reinstalling the OS every few months to "keep your computer fresh" is a Windows thing. MacOS X is not prone to acquire the kind of "system rot" for which Windows is infamous. Reaching for the OS reinstall disk at every problem that might possibly be system related is not the right thing to do on a Mac.

I have computers running MacOS X, Windows and Linux, sometimes all on the same machine, and never once have I been required to reinstall MacOS X to set things straight. However, because I have a choice, I never use MacOS X for gaming.

I have been running the same Windows install on my two gaming PCs for a couple years now. I have never had to 'reinstall fresh'. I only 'install' Windows when I build a new machine. This is going back to my Win98 days.

Of course, I am incredibly careful with what I download, what I install, and taking minimal precautions to keep my systems clean. Whether Mac users want to admit it or not doesn't really matter, but Windows itself is slowly but surely becoming more and more stable over the years.

As for the -reason- for this: about 90% of the world's computers run on a Windows platform. If you're a hacker, someone looking to exploit people, get attention, and have the largest playground of people to @$(* with, what platform are you going to target with your virus/malware? If hackers of today -wanted- to screw with OSx, they would.

SFBryan18

The OP probably crashes because he only has 512mb VRam.

henrycupcakerwb17_ESO

Insignia91 wrote: »

Your problem is you are trying to play on a MAC! the only thing macs are good for is searching the web and doing reports.

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

Its more than likely the Mac. not only that you have pretty low specs, are you playing on ultra or something? your computer might not be able to handle the load from PvP.

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Loco_Mofo wrote: »

[ MAC RECOMMENDED SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS ]
Operating System: Mac® OS X 10.7.0 or later
Processor: Intel® i5
Video Card: NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 650M or ATI™ Radeon™ HD 5770 or better
Memory: 4GB Ram
Storage: 60GB
Media: DVD-ROM


[ MAC MINIMUM SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS ]
Operating System: Mac® OS X 10.7.0 or later
Processor: Intel® Core™ 2 Duo
Video Card: Intel™ HD Graphics 4000, NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 330M or ATI™ Radeon™ HD 6490M or better
Memory: 4GB Ram
Storage: 60GB
Media: DVD-ROM
Resolution: 1024X768 minimum display resolution


He meets the recommended specs.

You barely meet the minimum requirements. Go buy a gaming computer.

I hate Apple so much. It has nothing to with anything in this post. I just really hate Apple and every product they have ever made.

EinionYrthb16_ESO wrote: »

Mondo wrote: »

You have a Mac you should be rich. Go buy a real Gaming PC. Stop whining

If he hadn't bought a Mac he probably would be rich.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

If you had a PC you could just go buy some ram for a fair price and put it in yourself.

Now you'll have to go fork over at least one limb to MAC employees so they can take your machine back into their super secret lair and do it all for you.

Maybe they'll just tell you to get an entirely new machine. If they do, I advise not going with a MAC.

lol...here we go again, bunch of pc nerds think they are so "smart" by having powerful hardware specification for a lower price or simply just need to hate & pis on the mac's design and the all-white aesthetic favored by Jonathan Ive and Steve Jobs ?

btw, before you guys try & making things up to try and diss apple's product and its users in anyway possible, i want to clarify that it is okay to install UP TO 32GB ram by the users and won't void the warranty. so you can quit on that apple ridiculous price fee theory @smeeprocketnub19_ESO‌

see that little cover on the lower back? god, you guys are pathetic.. lol!!

henrycupcakerwb17_ESO

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Yes MACs are terrible. But also, I wasn't able to play with 4gb of ram at all. It was pretty much a slideshow. Even on lower settings. I'm not sure if that is actually the problem, but it can't help.

oh yea? you are clearly making things up and need to get a life
3 of my girlfriend are playing on the low end 21.5 iMac with 512mb Vram / 1GB something video card /4Gb ram and they are fine outside Cyrodiil

1 of them didn't even crash as much as we did in cyrodiil

henrycupcakerwb17_ESO

Tabbycat wrote: »

ESO runs fine on High settings with 4GB RAM on a PC.

Even though there is a MAC client, I'd never use a MAC to play computer games. They simply aren't built for it.

mac are just a line of products branded by apple, its just a hardware
how come an app simple aren't built for that ???????

what you meant was OpenGL simply aren't built for gaming and they should be dismissed and so do series of Unix-based graphical interface operating systems, right?

the microsoft windows rules / powerful pc fanboi thing are like primitive brainwashing huh ?

henrycupcakerwb17_ESO

Vatter wrote: »

I just don’t understand. Why does this game crash every 30 - 40 mins while in Cyrodiil? The game either crashes to a crash report where it asks what i was doing and to send it in to help “diagnose” the problem or it crashes to my desktop with a message saying “the elder scrolls online has unexpectadly quit."
Why has this STILL not been fixed? When will I get an answer from customer service other then “We are escalating this issue.” Then I never hear from them again. This is how my last 3 interactions with customer service have gone.

1.put in ticket #10 or 15 (can’t remember.) I get a response asking for me to run a diagnostic from the client and email it to representative so he can “escalate” it. I do so, and get an email the next day saying, “If we do not hear back from you your issue will be considered resolved. Sent in report again. No response.
2. Put in another ticket a few days later. No response at all this time. Not even an email.
3. a week later I put up a forum post about how god awful this games performance is. a ZOS employee sends me a PM asking for the email address associated with my account. I give it to him and get a response back that he is going to “escalate” the issue. haven’t heard a word since. However a funny side note the moderator posts on the forum that they are in contact with the OP and the he’s closing the thread. Yet have received no help. thread name - “just awful. plain and simple.”

Obviously the fan boys post saying that the problem is on my side and there’s something wrong with my computer or that Macs are not made for gaming and what did I expect. I have never had a problem running any other MMO and I’ve check my computer over and over and over. It’s NOT on my side. Here are some games I have had no trouble running.

Lord Of The Rings Online
World of Warcraft
EVE online

Never once did any of these games crash. SO to make absolutely sure without a single doubt I erased my hard drive and reinstalled my OS. ESO and My operating system are the only 2 things on here. Crash, Crash, Crash, Crash just like before. My hardware is not overheating either. This is clearly 100% the game.

My specs are-
iMac OS 10.9.4
intel i5
4 GB ram
AMD Radeon HD 6750M 512MB
500 GB Hard Drive (450 GB free)

I’ve paid to play this game to its fullest potential not beta test it for the console. When will we be compensated for this and when will this actually get fixed. OR I would settle for “We have absolutely no idea what is going on or how to fix it. We really don’t care either. But thanks for your money. Oh and by the way you can change to the console for 20 bucks.”

How about kissing us first next time.

the developer had stated that they have a test going on with the mac client memory leak issue, if everything ok it should goes live with the update 3 !

plz don't give up on this game because of those pc nerds provide nothing constructive and you have grown despair for these crashing streak !

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

Jeth wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

You can't blame ZOS for not making the game based on Mac specs. Mac is great if all you do is A/V stuff otherwise buy a real computer. This is Apple's fault for making proprietary stuff that is just not compatible with what 80% of people use. It stuns me that people still buy their products even though there is absolutely nothing special about them. I am using Windows 8.1 and I have zero problems aside from the already established bugs. And I love Windows 8.1 BTW.

Yes, because the ghost of SJ made them release and SELL!!!!!!! a product that runs on the most stable OS known to the market and SELL!!!!!!! it under the pretense that it works. I didn't really find that in the Elder Scrolls. I should read again?

lol it's the most stable because so many fewer things are compatible with it. Windows is compatible with pretty much everything.

Linux is probably more stable, anyway. And we should all switch to that because it is free. I'm just not sure how well ESO would run through an emulator.

Cogo

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Linux is probably more stable, anyway. And we should all switch to that because it is free. I'm just not sure how well ESO would run through an emulator.

Linux is stable when you work with it. Just like any other OS.
Linux, depending which one you are talking about, have flaws as well.

But, is way more stable then Windows. However, you need to be a much better tech to handle Linux then Vmware/windows environments (and even they are tough today).

"Linux is free" is one of the most one sighted comment in IT. Purchasers who knows nothing about IT LOVES linux....cause "all" you have to buy is support, and you can choose not too.

Linux = 0 cost!
Windows: 100 000 Euros

No brainer for a purchaser with no IT experience.

Linux tech = 50-100% more pay then windows techs
Linux support = Not even Red hat who is the biggest, can compare to the HUGE Microsoft support. Microsoft will not die tomorrow. Red hat wount...but CAN.

Products and Support for companies are not just about how good the products and supports are.....but about SECURITY.
When investing 1-10 Million Euros in an IT structure for your company (Mid size), you need to KNOW Sun Microsystems and Solaris (unix) will be there in 5-10 years to take care of your investment......OOOOPS. Oracle bought Sun. Where did Solaris go?

When it comes to Stability, cost and IT structure for ANY business. What they choose rest HEAVILY on security.

The Swedish police made a big change from Exchange AND Microsoft platform to Linux in 2008. 2011 they throw it out because:

• Was unable to work with business normal applications because of constant compability problems that had to be corrected on a weekly bases. - More cost
• "Old" system simply did not work with the Linux platform and had to work separately - More cost
• New software needed to replace the CRM system. This never worked and through the 3 years, the SAME CRM system was used. - Main reason for the investment could not be reached.
• Engineers who been in the Linux platform project transformation, quit and moved to another company - Loss of resources and VERY costly to replace, if even possible.
• "Hackers" was able to "harass" the police websites because of lack of Linux tech personal maintenance. The "Security" was not depended on "Red Hat", but on the Swedish police own personell.
• Linux platform was not user-friendly and added administrating costs instead of lowering them which was the goal. Constant manual updating from IN HOUSE Linux tech was needed.

Linux is "free", to buy. Sure, if you got the know how and cheap techs.

Ever heard the American saying? "nothing is free".

henrycupcakerwb17_ESO

The problem had finally been taken care of,
this 1.3.3 patch meant ALOT for mac players !!!!!!!

Mac Client
General
Fixed a memory leak in the Mac client that would cause the game to crash or perform poorly over time.

SHADOW2KK

TBH OP, and im sure people have said, you have 4 gig of ram, you need 8 at least, then also theres the issue with your gfx card not having enough dedicated vram, then taking from your shared system ram, which is no where near fast enough, that is enough to cause major lags, but in terms of it crashing, im not sure about lol

henrycupcakerwb17_ESO

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

TBH OP, and im sure people have said, you have 4 gig of ram, you need 8 at least, then also theres the issue with your gfx card not having enough dedicated vram, then taking from your shared system ram, which is no where near fast enough, that is enough to cause major lags, but in terms of it crashing, im not sure about lol

its the mac client 's memory leak issue so stop blaming on the hardware will ya ?

SHADOW2KK

henrycupcakerwb17_ESO wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

TBH OP, and im sure people have said, you have 4 gig of ram, you need 8 at least, then also theres the issue with your gfx card not having enough dedicated vram, then taking from your shared system ram, which is no where near fast enough, that is enough to cause major lags, but in terms of it crashing, im not sure about lol

its the mac client 's memory leak issue so stop blaming on the hardware will ya ?

Shrugs, its still a crap pc:}

henrycupcakerwb17_ESO

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Jeth wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

You can't blame ZOS for not making the game based on Mac specs. Mac is great if all you do is A/V stuff otherwise buy a real computer. This is Apple's fault for making proprietary stuff that is just not compatible with what 80% of people use. It stuns me that people still buy their products even though there is absolutely nothing special about them. I am using Windows 8.1 and I have zero problems aside from the already established bugs. And I love Windows 8.1 BTW.

Yes, because the ghost of SJ made them release and SELL!!!!!!! a product that runs on the most stable OS known to the market and SELL!!!!!!! it under the pretense that it works. I didn't really find that in the Elder Scrolls. I should read again?

lol it's the most stable because so many fewer things are compatible with it. Windows is compatible with pretty much everything.

Linux is probably more stable, anyway. And we should all switch to that because it is free. I'm just not sure how well ESO would run through an emulator.

who care if its free or not? grow up
aesthetically is on the point, and a nicely done wall garden like mac osx + iOS and seamlessly switching each other when they need to ,and OMG that handoff feature is genius !!!!

it offer transparently, seamlessly move whatever activity you're doing to whatever device you want to continue doing it with. It's a person-centric choice and a bold one,, it forever change the way we use our iPhones, iPads, and Macs.

btw the mac client of this game is still crashing, but much lesser than before

i am on osx 10.10 beta4 .. mac pro

and two iMac

Greatfellow

Slovenian_Gamer wrote: »

I have similar problem on PC, but it's a bit different. Everytime I join a large battle, everyone freezes but I can still move freely for around 2 minutes (also can chat with friends) then I get an unknown error has occured message. Could you please reply me? My ticket is [Incident: 140720-001024].

Actually that means you have become disconnected from the game world--not the chat part, but the actual in-the-game-environment-with-everyone-else part. so you're wandering around a disconnected game world that is filled with the last snapshot of what everyone looked like and where they were located, until you are finally given the error-has-occured message.

Greatfellow

PrinceBoru wrote: »

What is with all the anti-Mac stuff?
Pent-up feelings of inadequacy during these Apple dominated days?
Sure I don't have a computer with dual-exhaust, but I wouldn't trade my OS ecosystem for a few FPS.
PC/Mac arguments are the most worn out forum fodder of all-time.

heheh. I have a buddy who is a Mac fan. I build my own PCs. We just laugh at each other.

Seriously, look to the two common points that I see that probably apply for your problem: the Mac memory leak with ESO, and your 4gb RAM. In your situation the first thing I'd try is installing 2-4gb more RAM. Good luck!

There's all sorts of bad things I'm not going to say about Macs. That's because I want us to get along in this diverse world. And because my Mac-loving buddy will start through bombs about PCs.

SHADOW2KK

Greatfellow wrote: »

PrinceBoru wrote: »

What is with all the anti-Mac stuff?
Pent-up feelings of inadequacy during these Apple dominated days?
Sure I don't have a computer with dual-exhaust, but I wouldn't trade my OS ecosystem for a few FPS.
PC/Mac arguments are the most worn out forum fodder of all-time.

heheh. I have a buddy who is a Mac fan. I build my own PCs. We just laugh at each other.

Seriously, look to the two common points that I see that probably apply for your problem: the Mac memory leak with ESO, and your 4gb RAM. In your situation the first thing I'd try is installing 2-4gb more RAM. Good luck!

There's all sorts of bad things I'm not going to say about Macs. That's because I want us to get along in this diverse world. And because my Mac-loving buddy will start through bombs about PCs.

Almost exactly one of the points I raised earlier, the ram needs to be upgraded to at least 8, and half a gig of vram on a gfx card is absolutely crap, and I got told to not blame the hardware by someone, um yeah i will, the hardware is dated crap sorry:}, thats not opinion, its fact.

As I said to OP earlier, upgrade your ram and most defo your gfx card at least, and use win7 or win 8:}

Jeth

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

@Vatter - We're sorry to hear you've been experiencing such a frustrating issue. Our Mac team has been on the case tracking this one down. We are currently testing a fix for what we believe is causing your issue. If it passes, it will be in Update 3.

Were they on the wrong case perhaps? How's this working on the PS4 client when it's linux based with OpenGL?

GamerzElite

Same thing happening to me on PC, Customer Supports said we are working on it but till date 3-4 patch came out and Game is still buggy. My PC specs is much more stronger than Recommended. When I posted my frustration in the forum, Some Einstein start teaching me computer tech.

Having 2 major issue from a month:
1. FPS always remain under 30 and while gaming it drop till 14.
2. "Critical Data Load Error"

** Just 2 hour before maintenance game was lagging like hell and FPS stuck at 12-17.
Wrote to Customer Support a month before and nothing fixed from ZOS, Ticket No. 140705-003244

seaef

david271749 wrote: »

Loco_Mofo wrote: »

You're better off posting in the tech support section to be honest, not here. You already know the type of replies to expect here.

Yup, that looks like the behavior of a typical PC user.

sean.plackerb14_ESO

Jeth wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

@Vatter - We're sorry to hear you've been experiencing such a frustrating issue. Our Mac team has been on the case tracking this one down. We are currently testing a fix for what we believe is causing your issue. If it passes, it will be in Update 3.

Were they on the wrong case perhaps? How's this working on the PS4 client when it's linux based with OpenGL?

The native operating system of the PlayStation 4 is Orbis OS, which is a fork of FreeBSD version 9.0. The PlayStation 4 has two graphics APIs, a low level API named GNM and a high level API named GNMX.

I gurantee you ESO on PS4 uses the low level API to get better performance. The API is probably somewhat similar to AMD's Mantle on PC's.

stevenbennett_ESO

So… A couple of things:

For the OP - I also played WoW and LotRO on the Mac, probably long before you did. I had crashes in their clients on the Mac, especially early on. I played WoW on the PC as well, and had even *more* crashes on that platform.

I've seen plenty of reports of crashes on the PC version of ESO. So it's not really a Mac vs PC issue -- It's a "this is a brand new MMO game which has only been live for a few months" issue. EVERY MMO in existence goes through these kinds of growing pains. Eventually, the clients get more stable and people forget that they weren't particularly stable at first.

Honestly, I think ZoS did make one big mistake with the Mac client - they crippled it by making it a 32 bit client. I understand why they did so - their toolset was designed for Windows and 32 bits, so they couldn't easily make a 64 bit Mac client, but by making it 32 bit, they imposed severe limitations on the game which are part of the problem today. I suspect they'll switch to 64 bit eventually, and it will make the Mac MUCH more stable (and perform significantly better at the same time…), but that'll probably take quite a while to happen.

For the large number of people who have been saying the issue is "it's a Mac", or "go get a gaming PC", or that "Macs aren't as good machines for gaming as PCs," go troll somewhere else, please. There is nothing inherent in Mac hardware which makes it a worse gaming platform than the vast majority of PCs out there.

There is a very very tiny segment of the PC market which is customized gaming rigs which, yes, can be better gaming rigs than most Macs -- They're also better gaming rigs than most PCs… but I don't see most of these Mac bashers trolling PC forums telling everyone their problem is that they need to buy a more expensive gaming PC. MOST people play on whatever PC they happen to have - and in general, the average Mac is a better gaming rig, hardware wise, than the average PC. Throw Boot Camp on most Macs and you can run most Windows games pretty well - and often better because there aren't as many device incompatibility issues. IMHO, a Mac with Boot Camp runs Windows better than most PCs for that very reason.

There *is* a bit of a software difference on Macs, and that is the game engines - game engine development on Macs tends to be an afterthought, and because the design was based on Windows and didn't consider Macs, you often end up with a poorly performing port of the engine on the Mac, which is where the main perception of Macs not being as good for gaming comes from. It's not the Mac, though - it's the game engine port. This will change over the next few years, IMHO, but right now it's the big issue we face.

It's one of the reasons I hate the "Just use Boot Camp" faction almost as much, because as long as the gaming industry thinks Mac users will do that to play their games, they won't spend the time to make good native games. Which is why I never buy games anymore that I need to use Boot Camp to run. Not worth the hassle.

Vatter

deja vu

dlepi24

Should've bought Alienware.