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shanersimms_ESO✭✭✭"You will get a rested XP for not playing in a certain length of time to allow you to catch up to players who play more."
Are... are you serious? The above quote is a future update for the game unfortunately. Are we just getting trolled or is this serious? Why on earth would this be necessary?
"Oh, I see you only played this game 1 day this week and put minimal effort into leveling your character. HERE! Have free experience!"
I understand that Zenimax is trying to cater to the "I want everyone now with no effort" generation, but seriously? This is going a bit too far IMO.
EDIT 7-23-14:
I just also wanted to point out that I am very excited about the justice system. The fact that you can't get rid of the bounty without actually paying it and that you will be constantly killable by other players until you do is amazing.
It is one of the very few parts of this game that will actually punish you for decisions made and make the game feel real.
God forbid you have a job and kids someday (or some other heavy time commitment) that doesn't allow you to play as often as your friends. Are you too blind in your youth to see the issue here? Many people play the game WITH their friends. How long are the people with heavy time commitments going to keep playing when their friends far out level them and they don't have any chance of catching up to share in the same content?
Your actual complaint is that you feel cheated that someone who plays less often can get to max level in half the time it took you who got to play everyday (or nearly). Those who get to play often still have the added benefit that they will get to max level, through new content, etc. before their friends, so your point is mostly moot. It's merely a childish form of resentment.
The system is an excellent addition for the overall health of the game and to help keep a strong and well-rounded subscriber base. Anyone who has advanced beyond the period of life where their parents (or perhaps welfare) take(s) care of everything for you allowing you to be a gamer 24/7 realizes this is a great addition.
"Are they trolling" Are you serious?? Unbelievable....
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Emperor✭✭✭✭shanersimms_ESO wrote: »
God forbid you have a job and kids someday (or some other heavy time commitment) that doesn't allow you to play as often as your friends. Are you too blind in your youth to see the issue here? Many people play the game WITH their friends. How long are the people with heavy time commitments going to keep playing when their friends far out level them and they don't have any chance of catching up to share in the same content?
Your actual complaint is that you feel cheated that someone who plays less often can get to max level in half the time it took you who got to play everyday (or nearly). Those who get to play often still have the added benefit that they will get to max level, through new content, etc. before their friends, so your point is mostly moot. It's merely a childish form of resentment.
The system is an excellent addition for the overall health of the game and to help keep a strong and well-rounded subscriber base. Anyone who has advanced beyond the period of life where their parents (or perhaps welfare) take(s) care of everything for you allowing you to be a gamer 24/7 realizes this is a great addition.
"Are they trolling" Are you serious?? Unbelievable....
FYI I most likely work many more hours per week than you do (I'm a tax accountant, yay tax season!). I am also married and own a house so I have plenty of commitments.
I guess I'm just used to how games used to be. It used to be about the competition against players and "showing off" which is diminished by things added to the game like this. I probably sound "elitist", but that is how games were when I was growing up. Games weren't about giving everyone max level/money/anything in the game instantly.
Guess I just need to get over it since this new generation of gamers is obviously different.
*Puts on sunglasses* DEALT WITH IT!Edited by Emperor on July 23, 2014 8:58PMIf you like small group PvP (2-4 players) and solo PvP check out my video
https://youtube.com/watch?v=jechGImtFio
SPOILER: The first 40 seconds of the video contains a scene from the final Molag Bal boss fight!
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*Puts on sunglasses* DEALT WITH IT!
Glad to hear it. Now you can go back to enjoying the game instead of raining on everyone else's parade.1 -
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✭Yup things change , heh , the games of today are like they used to be at all.
I dont think they became worse , just different , now that i have less time to play them , im quite happy that they appear to have changed to take that into account.
Rested Exp is common in MMOs , helps people with less time to play them also.
Companies do want to keep tons of subs , todays competition is not like in the past , there are plenty of options to pick , if a player is feeling like he is left out and cant really compete with the other players who got more time in their hands , they usually just go play something else."Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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shanersimms_ESO✭✭✭....Games weren't about giving everyone max level/money/anything in the game instantly.
I don't see how adding a "boost" to allow certain players to play catch-up has anything to do with instant gratification. I too believe there should be things to strive for, to be competitive in, and to show off in terms of prowess. Enjoying basic game content with your friends doesn't fall into that category for me.
Now if they said next patch we're dumping 2 mil gold in everyone's banks, giving you all the mounts, rare items, and collectible items in the game just cause' .. then I would certainly agree with you. I just can't agree that such a boost to XP gains is anywhere near that level.
The players enjoying the boost simply have a chance to get to max level and stay playing the game at their own pace instead of quitting in frustration. So I don't think it follows, nor is it a fair assumption, to think people like myself who support this change are a "generation of gamers who need instant gratification and don't want to work for anything." Nothing could be further from the truth in my eyes.
In truth a game like this doesn't even really get going until you're max level and with the upcoming rework of the Veteran System, level 50 will pretty much be max level again it seems.-Lord Shaszahan the Archmage, of The Septim Bloodline2 -
Obscure✭✭✭✭✭Guess I just need to get over it since this new generation of gamers is obviously different.
Yes you need to get over it...but no this is nothing new.
Even back in the day when the real RPGers only did it on the table, I'd give newer players XP bonuses to help them catch up to the higher level characters in the party. Sometimes I'd go as far as to just give them higher levels to be on even footing.I probably sound "elitist", but that is how games were when I was growing up. Games weren't about giving everyone max level/money/anything in the game instantly.
As I just indicated you'd not only be biased, but factually inaccurate... you also probably sound elitist for the same reason a duck sounds like a duck...
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Bleakraven✭✭✭✭I like it, this way I can catch up to my friends. I work full-time so I often fall in a couple of levels behind every week.2 -
Kronosphere✭✭✭✭the new generation of gamer is a cancerous scourge upon gaming. and the masses or, majority are idiots. problem is majority is majority after all and they have money. gaming will be pulled down by these people until its dead (the likes of candy crush etc will remain for them), and then hopefully be reborn back to how it was for a while. i blame society and bad parenting. as for this particular addon i dont see it a problem, as it lets you keep up with a group of friends easier and play together which is a good thing~House Indoril~
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Kos✭✭✭Bleakraven wrote: »I like it, this way I can catch up to my friends. I work full-time so I often fall in a couple of levels behind every week.
What is the next step, removing need for xp and leveling altogether? I would love that.
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kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭Kronosphere wrote: »the new generation of gamer is a cancerous scourge upon gaming. and the masses or, majority are idiots. problem is majority is majority after all and they have money. gaming will be pulled down by these people until its dead (the likes of candy crush etc will remain for them), and then hopefully be reborn back to how it was for a while. i blame society and bad parenting. as for this particular addon i dont see it a problem, as it lets you keep up with a group of friends easier and play together which is a good thing
LOL read what you just posted. You seem extraordinarily hateful and judgmental. Who do you blame for that? Honestly who would we prefer to play with someone who thinks everyone other than them is a cancerous scourge of idiots who are destroying gaming because of society and poor parenting or people who actually want to have fun?3 -
Booba✭✭Since I already outlevel my quest zone by 4 lvls (I'm around 35 at the moment writing this post), I'm concerned that the gap will be even bigger.
Couple more public dungeons and side quests and I'll be getting zero drops.0 -
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FYI I most likely work many more hours per week than you do (I'm a tax accountant, yay tax season!). I am also married and own a house so I have plenty of commitments.
I guess I'm just used to how games used to be. It used to be about the competition against players and "showing off" which is diminished by things added to the game like this. I probably sound "elitist", but that is how games were when I was growing up. Games weren't about giving everyone max level/money/anything in the game instantly.
Guess I just need to get over it since this new generation of gamers is obviously different.
*Puts on sunglasses* DEALT WITH IT!
Oh, I'm sorry, I must have been living in a hole all this time, I hadn't realised games were all about ''competition'' and ''showing off'', I thought they had something to do with ''having fun'', thank you for correcting our mistaken impressions.5 -
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Oh, I'm sorry, I must have been living in a hole all this time, I hadn't realised games were all about ''competition'' and ''showing off'', I thought they had something to do with ''having fun'', thank you for correcting our mistaken impressions.
I understand. You are used to playing games with little emphasis on competition and that is fine. I am just a type of player that enjoys playing with a little competition. In fact, the reason I play online games is to compete with other people among other things.
If I didn't want any competition in the game then I would just play a single player game.
And since I already know what your response will be. Yes, I like the ability to play with other players as well obviously.If you like small group PvP (2-4 players) and solo PvP check out my videohttps://youtube.com/watch?v=jechGImtFio
SPOILER: The first 40 seconds of the video contains a scene from the final Molag Bal boss fight!
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I understand. You are used to playing games with little emphasis on competition and that is fine. I am just a type of player that enjoys playing with a little competition. In fact, the reason I play online games is to compete with other people among other things.
If I didn't want any competition in the game then I would just play a single player game.
And since I already know what your response will be. Yes, I like the ability to play with other players as well obviously.
I find it quite vain that you believe you know what kind of games I am used to playing & that you claim to already know what my response will be.
But that's besides the point.
My first mmo ever was Lineage 2, with spontaneous open world pvp, which I did truly enjoy and make frequent use of, having a pvp build.
But a game is a game, everyone has the right to play however they want in order to enjoy themselves, and especially since it's a multiplayer Role Playing Game, not a multiplayer FPS we're talking about here, people who are more laid back should not be treated as ''filthy casuals''.
Besides, after having played many games with that feature, I don't see how ''rested exp'' gives an inactive/casual player either PvE or PvP advantage over someone who is actively focused on levelling and improving their gear and character build. So I don't understand why you are complaining in the first place.2 -
ebondeath✭✭✭✭✭Leveling is a competition? Maybe in games like WoW at the beginning of an expansion if you want the server first max level achievement.
Competition comes from trial times, gear, pvp, and achievements, not how much faster you can level than the guy who doesn't get to play as much and would like to see the end of the game before the next ice age.╔═════════════⌈Alannah Corvaine⌋══════════════╗
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I understand. You are used to playing games with little emphasis on competition and that is fine. I am just a type of player that enjoys playing with a little competition. In fact, the reason I play online games is to compete with other people among other things.
If I didn't want any competition in the game then I would just play a single player game.
And since I already know what your response will be. Yes, I like the ability to play with other players as well obviously.
OK, lets compete.
I've been playing DDO (Dungeons & Dragons Online) for many years.
You haven't.
Lets race to max level.
I win.
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I understand. You are used to playing games with little emphasis on competition and that is fine. I am just a type of player that enjoys playing with a little competition. In fact, the reason I play online games is to compete with other people among other things.
If I didn't want any competition in the game then I would just play a single player game.
And since I already know what your response will be. Yes, I like the ability to play with other players as well obviously.
How does this hinder competition? LMAO. Really with any effort at all you would already have every class at VR12. What competition is this going to destroy?1 -
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Pretty sure it will be account based, not character based.
What exactly are you basing that on? Other games with rest xp do it per character.0 -
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✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »
I wouldn't say never. Maybe usually? I have actually played a game where rested xp was removed because of the crying on the forums. The complaint was that they felt forced to play the character with rested xp, because if they weren't they were somehow missing out on something. So they felt forced into rotating around their characters, when maybe they just wanted to play one.
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isengrimb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Jeez, it's not like a bit of rested experience goes that far, really. Even in WoW it can take a couple of days being offline for it to max out, and it only lasts maybe a level or so, and runs out really fast. So maybe you get double XP for about half an hour, and then you're back to normal gains - and this is based from what I noticed just dungeoning my way up (because by the 8th or 9th maxed alt, the questing did get rather .. dull.) One dungeon can eat up all that rested xp, easy.
You'll level quicker if you just play regularly, rather than waiting those couple of days for your xp bonus to max out. But it's handy for those weekends when you're out of town, times you're sick, or whatever.
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ArRashid✭✭✭✭Just because an elitist (= unemployed lazy spoiled brat living in ma's basement) has infinite time to play, doesn't mean everyone has.
They can't make games just for elitists, because they wouldn't make any money even to cover development cost.. and most people don't have more than 2 hours a day to play. Heck, most even can't afford the time to play every day.
That's why people want faster leveling and shorter raids. You think someone has time to level up a single character for several months, or spend 6 hours doing a single raid?1 -
matthewleach82ub17_ESOSoul Shrivenlol I like how no one seems to understand that you don't automatically get the rested exp boost. You have to be logged out in a town or house I believe to get it.
So it's VERY VERY simple.
Don't want the rested exp? Don't log out in a town. Problem solved.0 -
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Pretty sure it will be account based, not character based.
Why would be account base that make no since at all beside it is a lot easy make char base that all char get rest exp and not the account.
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Why would be account base that make no since at all beside it is a lot easy make char base that all char get rest exp and not the account.
I think you're both arguing the same point
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SirJesto wrote : Pretty sure it will be account based, not character based.
And honest i think it will a lot hard to make account based then char based beside from lvl 1 to 50 you don't really need rest expfor it go real fast to lvl up rest exp is more need at VR lvl to be total honest at least i think so
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Akiainavas✭✭✭I guess I'm just used to how games used to be. It used to be about the competition against players and "showing off" which is diminished by things added to the game like this. I probably sound "elitist", but that is how games were when I was growing up. Games weren't about giving everyone max level/money/anything in the game instantly.
Guess I just need to get over it since this new generation of gamers is obviously different.
I used to say exactly the same thing until I realised I'm one of those "casual" players myself... I'm older now, have a job, family etc. and simply cannot spend that much time on video games anymore... sadly.
So as much as I understand your point of view, I simply cannot agree with that because let's face it - we're not 16 anymore and we can't play as much as we used to etc. and I certaily can't see this as a potential problem.
Edited by Akiainavas on July 25, 2014 9:40AM1