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Champion system, confused
xKyrio
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Hi!
Can someone clarify this for me:
The champion system will give you champion point's, to put in that special passive starsign tree, so far so good.
The Champion points are for your account, not for a specific char, ok, well here's where i got confused.
Do they mean i can use the point's on any char on my account? Or does it mean any champ point's used, i will get that ''passive'' on all my char's?
They way i got it was that you use your point's on any char on your account, but only the char i use it on get the passive, am i wrong here?
(sry for bad grammar)
Edited by xKyrio on July 22, 2014 6:18PM Can someone clarify this for me:
The champion system will give you champion point's, to put in that special passive starsign tree, so far so good.
The Champion points are for your account, not for a specific char, ok, well here's where i got confused.
Do they mean i can use the point's on any char on my account? Or does it mean any champ point's used, i will get that ''passive'' on all my char's?
They way i got it was that you use your point's on any char on your account, but only the char i use it on get the passive, am i wrong here?
(sry for bad grammar)
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Lorkhan✭✭✭✭✭they mean u can use the points on any char on ur account (just because cant be the other alternative)0 -
Csub✭✭✭✭✭All characters get the point on the account but you can only use them after lvl 50."The Divines gave you a nose for a reason, Tharn. So you can keep your mouth shut and still keep breathing. - Lyris Titanborn1 -
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To elaborate. All characters that are level 50 will earn Champion "points" that are spent independently on any other level 50 characters on that account. Champion points are earned each time any LvL 50 character gains XX number of XP. A short example.All characters get the point on the account but you can only use them after lvl 50.
Character 1: LvL 50 and has earned 37 Champion points for the Account.
Character 2: a New LvL 50 and has earned 3 Champion points for the account.
Characters 3-8: Not LvL 50 yet, might earn but can't spend Champion points.
The account now has 40 Champion points to spend. Character 1 decides to spend all 40 into all passives that reduce incoming damage. Character 2 decides to spend all 40 into all passives that increase damage output. Does that help?Edited by DeLindsay on July 23, 2014 6:21AM6 -
NakedSnake✭✭✭The account now has 40 Champion points to spend. Character 1 decides to spend all 40 into all passives that reduce incoming damage. Character 2 decides to spend all 40 into all passives that increase damage output. Does that help?
Has this been confirmed? If it does work that way it would be very unlike an MMO especially this one. Most likely the points are shared across account.Edited by NakedSnake on July 22, 2014 7:26PM"Brilliant! Why is it that the people with the most ridiculous ideas are always the ones who are most certain of them?"2 -
NakedSnake✭✭✭Yes but that does not mean that each character has access to the same number of points. If they did it would go against the whole time sink. Why would the be so generous. Either the entire system will be shared across account like your bank or only the points will be shared ie. one lvl50 can spend 10 points and you're other lvl50 can spend 30 points. Not both spend 40 points you earned from leveling one character."Brilliant! Why is it that the people with the most ridiculous ideas are always the ones who are most certain of them?"3
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DeLindsay✭✭✭✭✭
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Ok I did it for you so you don't have to be confused anymore. Paul Sage said, starting at 44:55, and I quote:NakedSnake wrote: »Yes but that does not mean that each character has access to the same number of points. If they did it would go against the whole time sink. Why would the be so generous. Either the entire system will be shared across account like your bank or only the points will be shared ie. one lvl50 can spend 10 points and you're other lvl50 can spend 30 points. Not both spend 40 points you earned from leveling one character.
"These bonuses won't just apply to one Character, but the Champion points you earn you'll actually earn them for all your Characters. This is going to be an account wide system so once you earn Champion points you'll be able to spend them on all your Characters."2 -
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I read it like @DeLindsay reads it.
Champion points are earned and once earned each character that is 50+ can use them.
If it was character based only then it would actually hurt time sinks and longevity since the system would not encourage creating multiple characters. Multiple characters is the biggest time sink.
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NakedSnake✭✭✭
Ok I did it for you so you don't have to be confused anymore. Paul Sage said, starting at 44:55, and I quote:NakedSnake wrote: »Yes but that does not mean that each character has access to the same number of points. If they did it would go against the whole time sink. Why would the be so generous. Either the entire system will be shared across account like your bank or only the points will be shared ie. one lvl50 can spend 10 points and you're other lvl50 can spend 30 points. Not both spend 40 points you earned from leveling one character.
"These bonuses won't just apply to one Character, but the Champion points you earn you'll actually earn them for all your Characters. This is going to be an account wide system so once you earn Champion points you'll be able to spend them on all your Characters."
Again this does not reinforce your assumption. The shared bank works the exact same way. "These extra slots won't just apply to one Character, but the bank space you earn you'll actually earn them for all your Characters."
"Brilliant! Why is it that the people with the most ridiculous ideas are always the ones who are most certain of them?"6 -
DeLindsay✭✭✭✭✭
✭Um ok dude, you can stay confused and I will take it for how it reads exactly. To the OP, I guess you will have to make up your own mind since words directly from Paul Sage's mouth aren't good enough for some folks.5 -
NakedSnake✭✭✭If it does work the way you're hoping that would be amazing but it is highly unlikely that they would allow you to level a charcter to v12, earn 40 CP along the way spend 40 points in defensive passives for that character, log out and onto you're v1 alt then spend 40 points in dps passives for that toon. Of course when you're other 5 character slots hit v1 they will each have 40 CP ready to go."Brilliant! Why is it that the people with the most ridiculous ideas are always the ones who are most certain of them?"4
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Jaxom✭✭✭✭NakedSnake wrote: »
Ok I did it for you so you don't have to be confused anymore. Paul Sage said, starting at 44:55, and I quote:NakedSnake wrote: »Yes but that does not mean that each character has access to the same number of points. If they did it would go against the whole time sink. Why would the be so generous. Either the entire system will be shared across account like your bank or only the points will be shared ie. one lvl50 can spend 10 points and you're other lvl50 can spend 30 points. Not both spend 40 points you earned from leveling one character.
"These bonuses won't just apply to one Character, but the Champion points you earn you'll actually earn them for all your Characters. This is going to be an account wide system so once you earn Champion points you'll be able to spend them on all your Characters."
Again this does not reinforce your assumption. The shared bank works the exact same way. "These extra slots won't just apply to one Character, but the bank space you earn you'll actually earn them for all your Characters."
I see the question. OP is asking, that Yes, all characters will unlock points for all characters but is it pooled? If I have 40 points, but 10 of those came from an alt, I use all 40 points, will my alt have none or will my alt have 40. The quote actually doesnt answer that question. It just says that the points will be able to be used on all characters, not that all characters will have access to the total number of points unlocked.
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Obscure✭✭✭✭✭Example: 50 champion points
Account has 50 champion points.
Account has 4 characters
Character 1 is level 50
Character 2 is level 50
Character 3 and 4 are not level 50
Character 3 and 4 cannot use the Account champion points.
Player decides to use 25 of the Account champion points on Character 1
Player decides to use 25 of the Account champion points on Character 2
Account now has 0 Champion points.
You can spend them on all of your level 50 characters but you only get to spend what you have earned. It's an account based currency, and when you spend the Account based currency on a character you have spent that Account based currency, it's doesn't get to be spent again on another character; it's account based not character based.6 -
NakedSnake✭✭✭Seems logical and obvious to me."Brilliant! Why is it that the people with the most ridiculous ideas are always the ones who are most certain of them?"3
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Jaxom✭✭✭✭Example: 50 champion points
Account has 50 champion points.
Account has 4 characters
Character 1 is level 50
Character 2 is level 50
Character 3 and 4 are not level 50
Character 3 and 4 cannot use the Account champion points.
Player decides to use 25 of the Account champion points on Character 1
Player decides to use 25 of the Account champion points on Character 2
Account now has 0 Champion points.
You can spend them on all of your level 50 characters but you only get to spend what you have earned. It's an account based currency, and when you spend the Account based currency on a character you have spent that Account based currency, it's doesn't get to be spent again on another character; it's account based not character based.
But that's the question. Based on Paul's quote below, no where does it say Account based. He said it is account WIDE. You can actually interpret that both ways. What they should have said is that it's a POOLED resource. No vagueness with that.
"These bonuses won't just apply to one Character, but the Champion points you earn you'll actually earn them for all your Characters. This is going to be an account wide system so once you earn Champion points you'll be able to spend them on all your Characters."1 -
Forztr✭✭✭✭they also said you could respec easily
so not being able to apply all points to all characters would be silly since all you'd do is respec all points into the character you were planning to play.
i know if it sounds too good to be true it probably is but in this instance the evidence points to it being just plain awesome and very alt friendly.Edited by Forztr on July 23, 2014 12:10AM1 -
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Just to clarify the way sentence structure works in English, or at the very least American English and since Paul Sage and ZoS are American I'll represent that here.
If Paul Sage had said "you'll be able to spend them on ANY of your Characters" then the above people might be correct that it's used once only. As it stands he said usable on ALL your Characters which means the Champion system will be similar to Rift's PA (Planar Attunement). In Rift you earn PA via XX number of XP from any character and then ALL Level 50+ on that account has access to the entirely of that pool, to spend how each character sees fit."These bonuses won't just apply to one Character, but the Champion points you earn you'll actually earn them for all your Characters. This is going to be an account wide system so once you earn Champion points you'll be able to spend them on all your Characters."Edited by DeLindsay on July 23, 2014 11:22AM5 -
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Just to clarify the way sentence structure works in English.
If Paul Sage had said "you'll be able to spend them on ANY of your Characters" then the above people might be correct that it's used once only. As it stands he said usable on ALL your Characters which means the Champion system will be similar to Rift's PA (Planar Attunement). In Rift you earn PA via XX number of XP from any character and then ALL Level 50+ on that account has access to the entirely of that pool, to spend how each character sees fit."These bonuses won't just apply to one Character, but the Champion points you earn you'll actually earn them for all your Characters. This is going to be an account wide system so once you earn Champion points you'll be able to spend them on all your Characters."
Spend being the operative word. That is, to give (pay) something in order to obtain something else.
Once the point is spent from your pool on a character, that point will no longer be available to spend on another character. However, you can choose to spend that point on any of your characters of L50.
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✭✭As far I understood you gain these points by doing average stuff in the gaming world. I assume quests, lore books maybe even pvp. Those points will actually be boosted if you didn't play for a while.
It could work like at Wows Beta, back then you had a 200% boost if you didn't play for a specific time, a 150% boost if you played an hour and a 100% boost (standard) if you played for a few.
Champion points gained will be added to your account and from this point on each of your Chars has access to them and could distribute them at level 50.
It works like at D3. You get 40 points and then each Char can decide in which perk these will go.2 -
Aeradon✭✭✭✭✭The idea is so that the more you play the game, the easier it is for you to build an alt.
So the example of having total 50 points account wide and you can spend that 50 on one, 50 on another is more logical.People keep telling me they're gonna buy me an ale. They never do.
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When they will learn to do press release where they can cover in more structured way with more details what they have presented during this kind of events ? Is that difficult . It is PR one on one.2
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xKyrio✭✭Looks like im not the not the only one then, ya the real question is, if i have 50 points, burn it all on one char, do i still have 50 points o my alt? Or are they used, and the passive the only applys to the char spendt on...2
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✭pretty sure it's pooled. It doesn't even make sense the other way. The video definitely doesn't support that. I -guess- it could support either but each character getting all the points seems like a weird way to interpret it.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.0 -
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✭✭As far I understood you gain these points by doing average stuff in the gaming world. I assume quests, lore books maybe even pvp. Those points will actually be boosted if you didn't play for a while.
It could work like at Wows Beta, back then you had a 200% boost if you didn't play for a specific time, a 150% boost if you played an hour and a 100% boost (standard) if you played for a few.
Champion points gained will be added to your account and from this point on each of your Chars has access to them and could distribute them at level 50.
It works like at D3. You get 40 points and then each Char can decide in which perk these will go.
Yes and no. Each character will be able to spend the points individually. This is very clear to me anyways and it only seems outlandish if you assume it will be possible to earn 50+ points per character. If its more like 10 or 20, then it makes more sense.
Every character at lvl 50+ will be able to earn CP. You might be able to spend them at any lvl. This is unclear.
And they are earned via XP bench marks. They specifically use 100k XP as an example. The VR point system is being exchanged for regular xp like you earn from 1-50. So after lvl 50 you would get a point for every 100k XP.
When you are logged off for an extended period of time, your XP goes into bonus mode similar to a character in WoW being logged out inside an Inn for a while.
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✭NakedSnake wrote: »The account now has 40 Champion points to spend. Character 1 decides to spend all 40 into all passives that reduce incoming damage. Character 2 decides to spend all 40 into all passives that increase damage output. Does that help?
Has this been confirmed? If it does work that way it would be very unlike an MMO especially this one. Most likely the points are shared across account.
Or the devs have made a decision to go from one of the most alt unfriendly games ever made to one of the most alt friendly. Its a huge change, but that's my understanding of it also, each character gets to spend the full points as they want.
Combine that with the way the shared bank works and you can earn points and gear for characters your not even playing. If drops ever become worthwhile, then this could be a major game changer.
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✭✭Plus the passives might be very subtle changes. If say one point in crit adds .25% for example then even 20 pts would still only be a 5% increase in crit. The idea is to have some sort of unique individual progress. Nothing is said to indicate they are going to be incredibly powerful. So each character having access to a separate pool doesn't seem so far fetched when you look at it that way. And that is how I interpret it.1 -
Kilara✭✭Ok I did it for you so you don't have to be confused anymore. Paul Sage said, starting at 44:55, and I quote:
"These bonuses won't just apply to one Character, but the Champion points you earn you'll actually earn them for all your Characters. This is going to be an account wide system so once you earn Champion points you'll be able to spend them on all your Characters."
why is everyone assuming that the champion points can only be spend by lvl 50+?
the way I read it, it's totally open and could just as well mean that also lower-lvl alts can spend them, they just can't earn them...0
