Justice system. Immersive punishment.

indytims_ESO

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

oh ffs get over yourself. No one is screwing with your game by killing NPCs. No more than it screws with my game that I can't kill you as well as NPCs.

I am quite 'over myself', no need to be a [snip].

Killing certain NPCs would most -certainly- 'screw with my game', and the game of thousands of others.

Open your eyes. Pull your head out of the sand... or wherever else you have it stuffed.


[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

indytims_ESO

Hilgara wrote: »

Some people seem to want a completely risk free RP game, where they can merrily prance about in a fairy tail land avoiding anything that might lead to them having to think or respond to a threat in a skilful way.

That's not immersive. If I enter a house and the family is all sitting down having lunch I shouldn't be able to rifle though their cupboards and closets steeling their belongings with them right there in the same room.
If I decide to do it anyway even if they resist then there should be consequences. And if I manage to evade those AI consequences then I better be ready for them to escalate just as they would in real life.

This is not a "real life simulator". I don't think I need to go into massive detail about why that is. Immersion has limits, for obvious reasons.

ESO is a game, meant for entertainment. PVP is currently -clearly- separated from the PVE world. Both sides of the coin get their turf to play in.

Mixing in PVP with the PVE setting has the -potential- to work, but it also has the -potential- to be a huge mess. Concerns about this implementation are -well warranted-.

I frankly don't care if you kill NPCs in the PVE environment as long as it doesn't hamper my progress, or cause me to have to sit and wait for respawns. I have faith that Zeni understands this, but as the saying goes, the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

I don't care if you 'steal', I don't care if you 'murder', I don't care if you want to run from the law or whatever it is. I start to care, though, when you want to grief and screw with other people's games, impede their progress, impede their fun - especially after establishing the PVE/PVP barrier.

That's the game a -lot- of us signed-up for. Zeni has the right to change that, of course. There isn't a whole lot of information right now of course, but that doesn't stop people from both sides of the isle voicing their support or concerns.

Avath

Personally I really like the concept of doing this. A nice bit of cause and effect into a genre that can often seriously lack a sense of real impact on the world. People can decide to be a murderer / thief like they could in Skyrim et al, but now they know that it wont just be the city guards who are out to get them if they do it. It might be "hilarious" to kill an NPC someone was going to use and make them wait for it to respawn, but now you get the knowledge that that person can spend the interim time hunting you down to get revenge. As I said, cause and effect.

Presumably NPCs will get some ability to defend themselves too, which could be fun.

Mondo

We all know its just another trap to get poor Khajiit guilty of things they dont have done!!!!!!!!!!!!
this one dont like it

Malpherian

Look.... It's simple.

* You want to break the law? Good you can.

* You want to gank people, harass, camp and feed on the tears of others? Good you can.

But when you do..... You too will be ganked, and camped, and we the law abiding citizens will feed on your tears, and camp your body, and you being the troll you are, will rage quit the game, because your actions have consequences, and your a fool to think they wouldn't.

Working as intended

DeLindsay

Malpherian wrote: »

Look.... It's simple.

* You want to break the law? Good you can.

* You want to gank people, harass, camp and feed on the tears of others? Good you can.

But when you do..... You too will be ganked, and camped, and we the law abiding citizens will feed on your tears, and camp your body, and you being the troll you are, will rage quit the game, because your actions have consequences, and your a fool to think they wouldn't.

Working as intended

Absofreakinlutely! It's this 100%. Yes there will be those who wish to grief and yes there will be those who will gank the griefers. I couldn't have said it better and I can't wait for this to be implemented.

dcincali

Reminds me of my first days in Everquest when I would accidentally hit an NPC instead of talk to them and get murdered by the guards. Should be lots of fun!

Requiemslove

A justice system should have been in this game in the first place. Anyone crying about it just want an ES inspired MMO, and if you think that is all ESO is supposed to be...you got another thing coming.

Apophiss

Requiemslove wrote: »

A justice system should have been in this game in the first place. Anyone crying about it just want an ES inspired MMO, and if you think that is all ESO is supposed to be...you got another thing coming.

Funny thing, THIS IS what was marketed, advertised and the product that ALL of us purchased.
It is true that we are speculating as to what the "Final Implementation" will be, we are voicing our concerns. Zenimax will try to be fair to all, BUT, they will NOT be able to deter the *** who will do anything they can, abuse every bug or exploit, just to ruin your day because that is how they have "fun".

No doubt whatsoever that there will be people following others around, just to annoy you, because NOW they will be able to interfere with you.

Blade_07

Mr.Turtlesworth wrote: »

Evergnar wrote: »

It would be great if guilty players were actually put in the stocks so we could all throw rotten veggies at em. That would be most immersive.

This pls Zenimax. Do this pls.

I see the comedy behind that but I would hate to be stuck in the stocks when I wanted to be question or doing stuff with guild. Yup, dont think this would bode well with players that like to steal(enjoy a part of the game that hey like without loosing valuable game time!).

fromtesonlineb16_ESO

Requiemslove wrote: »

A justice system should have been in this game in the first place. Anyone crying about it just want an ES inspired MMO, and if you think that is all ESO is supposed to be...you got another thing coming.

I played though 4 TES games totally ignoring the 'justice' system and never felt the desire to join the Thieves or DB guilds.. like many aspects of TES 'culture' it's optional and nothing at all necessary.

BTW, the phrase is "got another think coming".

Sotha_Sil

The only thing I'm worried about is when this will come out ingame. Because it will probably be linked to the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood patch... and I just can't wait for those.

Requiemslove

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

Requiemslove wrote: »

A justice system should have been in this game in the first place. Anyone crying about it just want an ES inspired MMO, and if you think that is all ESO is supposed to be...you got another thing coming.

I played though 4 TES games totally ignoring the 'justice' system and never felt the desire to join the Thieves or DB guilds.. like many aspects of TES 'culture' it's optional and nothing at all necessary.

Snip

That was your choice but I daresay you missed a lot of content. Also, I have snipped the last part as irrelevant due to inaccuracy. Learn the difference in words before you attempt humour. Else people laugh at you, not with you.

Anyhow. Yes that is the crux. It IS optional, and those who do not wish to partake don't have to, if done right it will not have an affect on you in the slightest but it STILL should have been in ESO from the off. It is necessary to have it in the game but NOT necessary that you involve yourself in it or mandatory in anyway.

Anastasia

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

Requiemslove wrote: »

A justice system should have been in this game in the first place. Anyone crying about it just want an ES inspired MMO, and if you think that is all ESO is supposed to be...you got another thing coming.

I played though 4 TES games totally ignoring the 'justice' system and never felt the desire to join the Thieves or DB guilds.. like many aspects of TES 'culture' it's optional and nothing at all necessary.

BTW, the phrase is "got another think coming".

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Anastasia

Requiemslove wrote: »

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

Requiemslove wrote: »

A justice system should have been in this game in the first place. Anyone crying about it just want an ES inspired MMO, and if you think that is all ESO is supposed to be...you got another thing coming.

I played though 4 TES games totally ignoring the 'justice' system and never felt the desire to join the Thieves or DB guilds.. like many aspects of TES 'culture' it's optional and nothing at all necessary.

Snip

That was your choice but I daresay you missed a lot of content. Also, I have snipped the last part as irrelevant due to inaccuracy. Learn the difference in words before you attempt humour. Else people laugh at you, not with you.

Anyhow. Yes that is the crux. It IS optional, and those who do not wish to partake don't have to, if done right it will not have an affect on you in the slightest but it STILL should have been in ESO from the off. It is necessary to have it in the game but NOT necessary that you involve yourself in it or mandatory in anyway.

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Swear to the nines I said those exact same words in regards to the TESO devs' original vision of grouping in Vet Content. Esp this part: "It is necessary to have it in the game but NOT necessary that you involve yourself in it or mandatory in anyway." Heh, plenty of players figured out ways to solo it when they couldn't get others to join up/were on at odd play times etc. Still, it got majorly changed anyway, no matter that the nerf notably affects endgame.

If this goes in WITH consequences to other players, WITHOUT their very own special instancing as some have claimed is the only way to do this, well then, I'm guessing it will affect everyones gameplay . If its diluted down, then it will not serve any population really as the novelty will last for about 48 hours or so and then very few will ever mess with it again.

/popcorn and good whiskey...

Gix

If people get caught, they'll get a bounty and will be asked to pay the fine based on said bounty.

Even if you decide to run away and/or fight the guards, you will not be marked for PvP so long as your bounty is bellow a certain threshold.

If your bounty is beyond said threshold, other players around you will have the option to engage in PvP to help out the guards (and probably get some gold based on your bounty).

You will not be able to gank anyone who wasn't willing to fight.

If you kill NPCs, you will most likely receive a higher bounty and, thus, more easily reach the threshold. Those NPCs will not only respawn but they are most likely not quest NPCs either... If quest NPCs can be killed, then they probably respawn faster than most. Not to mention that quest NPCs probably would yield a higher bounty.

If your NPC gets killed, nothing stops you from venting your frustration on the player assuming his bounty is reached the threshold... which most likely has.

If you're still complaining about your solo-experience by then, welcome to an MMO... where you're playing with hundreds and thousands of players... learn to cope with them and share space.

Woolenthreads

Hmmm.... the only other thing that concerns me is the other sort of Griefers, the VR-er that wants to grief non-VR and does so by the simple expedient of brazenly looting and murdering to gain the minimum bounty in order to attack any low level player who accepts the bounty hunting....

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

dcincali wrote: »

Reminds me of my first days in Everquest when I would accidentally hit an NPC instead of talk to them and get murdered by the guards. Should be lots of fun!

That happened to me early on and for a long time after that my poor troll shaman was terrified when talking to NPCs.

OH NO, I DIDN'T MEAN TO PRESS Q!

SFBryan18

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

BTW, the phrase is "got another think coming".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWhInhE6emE