Dragon Knights Online

Vis

It is becoming more and more obvious.

Yesterday I had dozens of fights against zergs full on nothing but DKs. I see more DKs out in Cyrodiil than all the other classes. While leveling my alt yesterday I saw nothing but DKs in the level 40 zone. Raids are recruiting for DK only trials. People selling their accounts advertise their DKs as a main selling point.

I don't blame people really. It would be nice to be able to be a baddie and still be very competitive, but it hurts the game diversity. The past DK nerfs missed the core issues with the class.

When will ZOS fix class balance?

nerevarine1138

Strange. I've seen threads complaining about too many Sorcerors. Maybe all the Dragon Knights were masquerading as Sorcerors to fool people who have nothing better to do than complain about a perceived bias towards one class.

Emperor

If zergs are only running DKs they are doing it wrong. Sorcs and templars have a huge impact on improving the zerg. Even a nightblade can be very helpful in a zerg if built for it, but they are best for sneaky attacks like minutemen in war.

Syndy

I see about an equal amount of DKs as I do Sorcs... Compared to the other 2 classes it is a bit ridiculous

Vis

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Strange. I've seen threads complaining about too many Sorcerors. Maybe all the Dragon Knights were masquerading as Sorcerors to fool people who have nothing better to do than complain about a perceived bias towards one class.

People confuse staff DKs/NBs as sorcs.

Wifeaggro13

Vis wrote: »

It is becoming more and more obvious.

Yesterday I had dozens of fights against zergs full on nothing but DKs. I see more DKs out in Cyrodiil than all the other classes. While leveling my alt yesterday I saw nothing but DKs in the level 40 zone. Raids are recruiting for DK only trials. People selling their accounts advertise their DKs as a main selling point.

I don't blame people really. It would be nice to be able to be a baddie and still be very competitive, but it hurts the game diversity. The past DK nerfs missed the core issues with the class.

When will ZOS fix class balance?

LOL i have a DK VR 12 ID rather play my sorc the DK is *** there is a one trick spec thats it and im not interested in ULTI building and dropping banners. As far as tanks go my sorc is far more effective. Simply because a tank is not a tank in this game its a DPS with a taunt and in that reguard Sorc has far better ranged and better CC

Vis

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

It is becoming more and more obvious.

Yesterday I had dozens of fights against zergs full on nothing but DKs. I see more DKs out in Cyrodiil than all the other classes. While leveling my alt yesterday I saw nothing but DKs in the level 40 zone. Raids are recruiting for DK only trials. People selling their accounts advertise their DKs as a main selling point.

I don't blame people really. It would be nice to be able to be a baddie and still be very competitive, but it hurts the game diversity. The past DK nerfs missed the core issues with the class.

When will ZOS fix class balance?

LOL i have a DK VR 12 ID rather play my sorc the DK is *** there is a one trick spec thats it and im not interested in ULTI building and dropping banners. As far as tanks go my sorc is far more effective. Simply because a tank is not a tank in this game its a DPS with a taunt and in that reguard Sorc has far better ranged and better CC

Sorcs can't tank (take a beating) as well as a dk with scales and green dragon blood. Anyone who says otherwise is in denial.

nerevarine1138

Vis wrote: »

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

It is becoming more and more obvious.

Yesterday I had dozens of fights against zergs full on nothing but DKs. I see more DKs out in Cyrodiil than all the other classes. While leveling my alt yesterday I saw nothing but DKs in the level 40 zone. Raids are recruiting for DK only trials. People selling their accounts advertise their DKs as a main selling point.

I don't blame people really. It would be nice to be able to be a baddie and still be very competitive, but it hurts the game diversity. The past DK nerfs missed the core issues with the class.

When will ZOS fix class balance?

LOL i have a DK VR 12 ID rather play my sorc the DK is *** there is a one trick spec thats it and im not interested in ULTI building and dropping banners. As far as tanks go my sorc is far more effective. Simply because a tank is not a tank in this game its a DPS with a taunt and in that reguard Sorc has far better ranged and better CC

Sorcs can't tank (take a beating) as well as a dk with scales and green dragon blood. Anyone who says otherwise is in denial.

Strange how I've just been playing at VR12 with a number of different Sorceror tanks. I should tell them they're doing it wrong.

Every class can fill every role.

Vis

Emperor wrote: »

If zergs are only running DKs they are doing it wrong. Sorcs and templars have a huge impact on improving the zerg. Even a nightblade can be very helpful in a zerg if built for it, but they are best for sneaky attacks like minutemen in war.

I would agree, but the natural surplus in DKs is yielding pure dk groups in Cyrodiil.

Vis

Syndy wrote: »

I see about an equal amount of DKs as I do Sorcs... Compared to the other 2 classes it is a bit ridiculous

As a sorc, I take special notice of how many other sorcs I see (because they are the only ones who can chase me down quickly ). Even then I see DKs two to one against sorcs.

Vis

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

It is becoming more and more obvious.

Yesterday I had dozens of fights against zergs full on nothing but DKs. I see more DKs out in Cyrodiil than all the other classes. While leveling my alt yesterday I saw nothing but DKs in the level 40 zone. Raids are recruiting for DK only trials. People selling their accounts advertise their DKs as a main selling point.

I don't blame people really. It would be nice to be able to be a baddie and still be very competitive, but it hurts the game diversity. The past DK nerfs missed the core issues with the class.

When will ZOS fix class balance?

LOL i have a DK VR 12 ID rather play my sorc the DK is *** there is a one trick spec thats it and im not interested in ULTI building and dropping banners. As far as tanks go my sorc is far more effective. Simply because a tank is not a tank in this game its a DPS with a taunt and in that reguard Sorc has far better ranged and better CC

Sorcs can't tank (take a beating) as well as a dk with scales and green dragon blood. Anyone who says otherwise is in denial.

Strange how I've just been playing at VR12 with a number of different Sorceror tanks. I should tell them they're doing it wrong.

Every class can fill every role.

Yes, have them enlighten us on how they take less damage than a dk with green dragon blood and scales.

That is not even the core issue. DKs are op because they can tank while putting up top damage.

nerevarine1138

Vis wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

It is becoming more and more obvious.

Yesterday I had dozens of fights against zergs full on nothing but DKs. I see more DKs out in Cyrodiil than all the other classes. While leveling my alt yesterday I saw nothing but DKs in the level 40 zone. Raids are recruiting for DK only trials. People selling their accounts advertise their DKs as a main selling point.

I don't blame people really. It would be nice to be able to be a baddie and still be very competitive, but it hurts the game diversity. The past DK nerfs missed the core issues with the class.

When will ZOS fix class balance?

LOL i have a DK VR 12 ID rather play my sorc the DK is *** there is a one trick spec thats it and im not interested in ULTI building and dropping banners. As far as tanks go my sorc is far more effective. Simply because a tank is not a tank in this game its a DPS with a taunt and in that reguard Sorc has far better ranged and better CC

Sorcs can't tank (take a beating) as well as a dk with scales and green dragon blood. Anyone who says otherwise is in denial.

Strange how I've just been playing at VR12 with a number of different Sorceror tanks. I should tell them they're doing it wrong.

Every class can fill every role.

Yes, have them enlighten us on how they take less damage than a dk with green dragon blood and scales.

That is not even the core issue. DKs are op because they can tank while putting up top damage.

Well, at least we know the game is doing well, because you only see threads complaining about how one class is the developer favorite when there is literally nothing else to whine about.

Vis

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

It is becoming more and more obvious.

Yesterday I had dozens of fights against zergs full on nothing but DKs. I see more DKs out in Cyrodiil than all the other classes. While leveling my alt yesterday I saw nothing but DKs in the level 40 zone. Raids are recruiting for DK only trials. People selling their accounts advertise their DKs as a main selling point.

I don't blame people really. It would be nice to be able to be a baddie and still be very competitive, but it hurts the game diversity. The past DK nerfs missed the core issues with the class.

When will ZOS fix class balance?

LOL i have a DK VR 12 ID rather play my sorc the DK is *** there is a one trick spec thats it and im not interested in ULTI building and dropping banners. As far as tanks go my sorc is far more effective. Simply because a tank is not a tank in this game its a DPS with a taunt and in that reguard Sorc has far better ranged and better CC

Sorcs can't tank (take a beating) as well as a dk with scales and green dragon blood. Anyone who says otherwise is in denial.

Strange how I've just been playing at VR12 with a number of different Sorceror tanks. I should tell them they're doing it wrong.

Every class can fill every role.

Yes, have them enlighten us on how they take less damage than a dk with green dragon blood and scales.

That is not even the core issue. DKs are op because they can tank while putting up top damage.

Well, at least we know the game is doing well, because you only see threads complaining about how one class is the developer favorite when there is literally nothing else to whine about.

Yes and no. The devs are ignoring posts about exploiting bugs, so this is a nice secondary issue.

Vis

Syndy wrote: »

I see about an equal amount of DKs as I do Sorcs... Compared to the other 2 classes it is a bit ridiculous

You would see more NBs if scales did not reflect bows and daggers.

kitsinni

You must be blind they are all sorcs.

Vis

kitsinni wrote: »

You must be blind they are all sorcs.

It's true that every class can play like a mage.

Wifeaggro13

Vis wrote: »

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

It is becoming more and more obvious.

Yesterday I had dozens of fights against zergs full on nothing but DKs. I see more DKs out in Cyrodiil than all the other classes. While leveling my alt yesterday I saw nothing but DKs in the level 40 zone. Raids are recruiting for DK only trials. People selling their accounts advertise their DKs as a main selling point.

I don't blame people really. It would be nice to be able to be a baddie and still be very competitive, but it hurts the game diversity. The past DK nerfs missed the core issues with the class.

When will ZOS fix class balance?

LOL i have a DK VR 12 ID rather play my sorc the DK is *** there is a one trick spec thats it and im not interested in ULTI building and dropping banners. As far as tanks go my sorc is far more effective. Simply because a tank is not a tank in this game its a DPS with a taunt and in that reguard Sorc has far better ranged and better CC

Sorcs can't tank (take a beating) as well as a dk with scales and green dragon blood. Anyone who says otherwise is in denial.

LOL really i tank with my sorc for everything even trials . your welcome to join me any time in a VR dungeon i do it in light armor. Green dragon blood is good for healers that suck ass.

starlizard70ub17_ESO

I remember last month people were saying the game should be called Elder Mages Online because sorcerors were OP. And before that it was Vampire NB that were OP. Next month it'll be Templers who are OP. People will complain that every class but their own is OP and needs to be nerfed. It goes in cycles, wait a month, it'll change.

Adelwulf

I think every class has the potential to be OP. People just focus on DK's and sorc's.

kitsinni

kb.lang_ESO wrote: »

I think every class has the potential to be OP. People just focus on DK's and sorc's.

They are just the easiest to be powerful with.

Adelwulf

kitsinni wrote: »

kb.lang_ESO wrote: »

I think every class has the potential to be OP. People just focus on DK's and sorc's.

They are just the easiest to be powerful with.

I agree but that doesn't mean they should be nerfed. People should just learn their class.

Merlin13KAGL

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Strange. I've seen threads complaining about too many Sorcerors. Maybe all the Dragon Knights were masquerading as Sorcerors to fool people who have nothing better to do than complain about a perceived bias towards one class.

@nerevarine1138‌, You mean like this one?

(I got sucked in and replied before I saw the DK post counterpart...)

Guess it's good for profile numbers...(Do they have an instigator achievement?)

(Also, normally, when something is "becoming more obvious," doesn't that mean it doesn't require pointing out?)

Anyway, off to post a Provisioners Online thread...

EDIT: Apologies to @skoomatrait, who's post order got switched around on me. The subtle jokes are the best ones...

On that note, I'll let everyone else figure it out to. Well done, again, sir.
And for the love of the Divines, thank you for not answering my question

TehMagnus

A NB dual wield can dps down a DK without giving him time to react if he engages at the right moment.

The final match of the first 1V1 tournament in US server saw Sypher's DK (He uses Syrabane & Akaviri set, those two where uber hit by set nerfes in 1.3 btw ) loose VS a Templar (even though it could have gone both ways but facts are he lost).

In big zerg fights, I see sorcerers getting in with bolt, one shoting some pugs, then spaming swarm & elemental explosion before rushing a far away player with Invasion & bolting out again, having killed 4 people in the process.

I've seen archer NB 3 shot some players.

So no, DK doesn't need a nerf. Player skills need a buff.

Less QQ more PEW PEW.

Merlin13KAGL

magnusnet wrote: »

So no, DK doesn't need a nerf. Player skills need a buff.

@magnusnet‌, Ouch... Alas, you cannot push that with a patch!

WebBull

Does anyone else find it funny that this thread was started by a Sorcerer?

I guess he feels the more DK's get nerfed the more he can face roll every class.

kitsinni

I am not a big fan of nerfs and I am not calling for them. All things being equal and having two players with the same skill some classes will still be more effective than others. There is no way you can say all four are perfectly balanced it just can't happen.

Adelwulf

I think it is funny that there is another thread about sorc's.

Wifeaggro13

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

I remember last month people were saying the game should be called Elder Mages Online because sorcerors were OP. And before that it was Vampire NB that were OP. Next month it'll be Templers who are OP. People will complain that every class but their own is OP and needs to be nerfed. It goes in cycles, wait a month, it'll change.

It still is elder sorcs online . simply because its one spec fits all classes its Robes and staves for all Caster specs no matter what class rules the field.

kitsinni

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

I remember last month people were saying the game should be called Elder Mages Online because sorcerors were OP. And before that it was Vampire NB that were OP. Next month it'll be Templers who are OP. People will complain that every class but their own is OP and needs to be nerfed. It goes in cycles, wait a month, it'll change.

It still is elder sorcs online . simply because its one spec fits all classes its Robes and staves for all Caster specs no matter what class rules the field.

Using light armor and a staff doesn't make you a sorc, picking sorc at the character creation screen does.

LonePirate

Vis wrote: »

DKs are op because they can tank while putting up top damage.

DKs are anything but OP in PVP combat in Cyrodiil. They have no burst DPS skill. They have no ranged skills. The only crowd control skill they have can easily be escaped by even the worst of players. Every melee skill they have is a DOT that any heal can pretty much negate.

Even the DK Ultimate skill is sub-par in PVP because it requires other players to use the Shackle synergy to make it effective - and I can tell you from experience that many other players won't activate the Shackle effect which allows enemy players to escape with little damage since they can break free from Talons.

Most of the slots in both of my bars are filled with skills from the weapon, guild or alliance lines as the DK class skills are ineffective in PVP. The only good DK class skills are Dragon Blood and Talons for use against the NPC guards. Those class skills are nothing compared to the very PVP friendly class skills possessed by the other three classes.

GaldorP

Hm, on Auriel's Bow EU (highest population EU campaign) the balance* seems to be still ok. I can finish all "Kill 20 players of class x" quests relatively fast. Though, Nightblades and Templars seem to take a bit longer.

* balance as in how many players of each class (percentage of total players in Auriel's Bow).

As for which classes allow for the strongest PvP builds: In my opinion, any class has the potential to be very good in PvP if played by an experienced player with a clever build.

Sword and Shield DKs can survive very long when fighting a group of unexperienced players who didn't expect such a fight (aka have only inefficient melee skills and ranged skills that can be reflected on their skill bar, have no restoration staff, do not dodge the DK's Standard and do not use their own ultimates). But at the same time, DKs have almost no escape abilities. 2 skilled players of any class have absolutely no problem beating even the best DK. Even in a 1v1 duel (a situation that doesn't occur very often randomly in PvP), a skilled and experienced Nightblade, Sorcerer, or Templar player can beat most DKs (always depends on who has ulti ready, if the build happens to be very efficient against the specific build of the other player, etc.).

If anything needs to be nerfed, it's the Syrabene set bonus (which I hear was changed in patch 1.3.0. on the PTS to "Gain 75 Magicka each time you block a spell") and maybe Reflective Scales which should only reflect spell projectiles as its description initially said.