Why does ZOS bother to ask our opinion on upcoming server changes then ignore our response

jeradlub17_ESO

Why does ZOS bother to ask our opinion on upcoming server changes when the 1.3 notes show they have ignored the majority of the opinions in response to their question? If you guys are just going to bulldoze ahead with another fail choice then don't bother asking for our input if you don't really plan on listening to it and modifying your actions accordingly.

A single 30d server that will be constantly locked is not the answer. Thinking oh well they can play on 5 or 7 day ones is a poor response cause I don't want to waste my time with that junk and I won't. You need 2-3 30d servers that fill evenly as people log on and population differential caps of around about 10% to keep it fair or something similar. If you have a single constantly locked server people can't get in to then many will choose simply to not play.

galiumb16_ESO

[x] Consult Player-base

demonlkojipub19_ESO

Its just been taking quite a bit longer for them to say anything. Their "internal discussions" are clearly long and drawn out over at least 2 months. Like how long it took to take in, discuss, and provide answers to feedback about stamina builds.

Just don't expect answers within the week, or even within the month.

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Cogo

jeradlub17_ESO wrote: »

Why does ZOS bother to ask our opinion on upcoming server changes when the 1.3 notes show they have ignored the majority of the opinions in response to their question? If you guys are just going to bulldoze ahead with another fail choice then don't bother asking for our input if you don't really plan on listening to it and modifying your actions accordingly.

A single 30d server that will be constantly locked is not the answer. Thinking oh well they can play on 5 or 7 day ones is a poor response cause I don't want to waste my time with that junk and I won't. You need 2-3 30d servers that fill evenly as people log on and population differential caps of around about 10% to keep it fair or something similar. If you have a single constantly locked server people can't get in to then many will choose simply to not play.

First, I have no idea what you are talking about regarding a single 30d server, and "locked"? May you explain what you are talking about?

1. You are not the only one playing the game
2. They may answered the question 1000 times already
3. Just because there is no answer, does not mean they are not taking it into account
4. Pure ignorance about what ESO is. Zenimax does not gain anything positive to explain that ESO is not WoW v2, Skyrim online or the like.

Asking for feedback is NOT the same as asking YOU what YOU think, then call you back, spending hours with you on the phone, talking about YOUR suggestion.

They are gathering feedback to base the future of the game on. There are possibly 100.000s of players. How many, we do not know. But more then 100.000 is fairly certain.

Kewljag_66_ESO

I think the 30d campaign will be the most popular but i dont think it will be locked. You could basically call the new 30day campaign the new Wabba Jack, but it will be a little less populated because you will have almost all pre 50s on their own campaign and alot of the hardcore players will probably go to the vet only campaign. I dont know what to expect on the two 7day campaigns but i think the 30day campaign will be where the action is always at. With the current population of players i think it will be just right.

jeradlub17_ESO

Cogo wrote: »

jeradlub17_ESO wrote: »

Why does ZOS bother to ask our opinion on upcoming server changes when the 1.3 notes show they have ignored the majority of the opinions in response to their question? If you guys are just going to bulldoze ahead with another fail choice then don't bother asking for our input if you don't really plan on listening to it and modifying your actions accordingly.

A single 30d server that will be constantly locked is not the answer. Thinking oh well they can play on 5 or 7 day ones is a poor response cause I don't want to waste my time with that junk and I won't. You need 2-3 30d servers that fill evenly as people log on and population differential caps of around about 10% to keep it fair or something similar. If you have a single constantly locked server people can't get in to then many will choose simply to not play.

First, I have no idea what you are talking about regarding a single 30d server, and "locked"? May you explain what you are talking about?

1. You are not the only one playing the game
2. They may answered the question 1000 times already
3. Just because there is no answer, does not mean they are not taking it into account
4. Pure ignorance about what ESO is. Zenimax does not gain anything positive to explain that ESO is not WoW v2, Skyrim online or the like.

Asking for feedback is NOT the same as asking YOU what YOU think, then call you back, spending hours with you on the phone, talking about YOUR suggestion.

They are gathering feedback to base the future of the game on. There are possibly 100.000s of players. How many, we do not know. But more then 100.000 is fairly certain.

Well you obviously haven't been paying attention despite smarting off at the mouth about it in your post. Here they post the change they were considering and ask for feedback http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/107716/upcoming-campaign-changes/p1
Note that most of the feedback was not supportive of their proposed format and there were alot of good ideas proposed better than what they came up with. There is no point in asking for feedback if ZOS isn't going to listen to it and act on it. Asking for feedback is asking what you think. Suggesting that someone expects a call back on a post is just being ignorant and mouthy. Noone expects that, but the player base does expect to be listened to and when most oppose something have it modified when it is not yet implemented.

Then here a month later they post what they are moving forward with http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/118546/pts-patch-notes-v1-3-0/p1
Note that despite a month to read through all the ideas and come up with some modified better proposal they instead just bulldoze ahead with their original proposal which had a majority of negative responses with suggestions of how to make it better.

So my question remains. Why bother asking for feedback if you are going to ignore it and go ahead with your original largely unsupported idea anyways?
The result will be disastorous resulting in more unsubs due to a single 30d server constantly locked. ZOS's response was we think there will always be "a" server you can play on, meaning one of the shorter term ones will be open. Most don't want to play on those short term servers and why should you be forced to play in a campaign you don't want. Once people get tired of rarely being able to get in the only 30d server offered they'll just quit and find a game that actually let's them play.

I really hope they add 2-3 30d campaigns and make them fill in a way that keeps populations balanced within a fair percentage of each other to address population imbalances.

Cogo

jeradlub17_ESO wrote: »

I really hope they add 2-3 30d campaigns and make them fill in a way that keeps populations balanced within a fair percentage of each other to address population imbalances.

You know, this statement I agree fully with you. I hope the SHORT campaigns are just 1 or something. The longer ones ARE, like you say, the ones people wants.

The more people who post and feedback about it, the better. Just dont expect an answer!

jeradlub17_ESO

Cogo wrote: »

jeradlub17_ESO wrote: »

I really hope they add 2-3 30d campaigns and make them fill in a way that keeps populations balanced within a fair percentage of each other to address population imbalances.

You know, this statement I agree fully with you. I hope the SHORT campaigns are just 1 or something. The longer ones ARE, like you say, the ones people wants.

The more people who post and feedback about it, the better. Just dont expect an answer!

Yeah they never answer anyone directly. You have no idea if they are considering something off the forums until it pops in a note. But when they directly make a post asking for input themselves like they did and the response is largely negative and asking for other changes with proposals some of which were very good then you would think they would modify their idea and it would have shown up differently in the PTS notes instead of it's original format.

Cogo

They get feedback from a lot of other sources + ESO isnt just "a made game".
They have 5 year plan for it. Cyrodiil has a specific reason, connected to the whole of ESO. Plus....the suits wants to make money.

Several of these reasons are why you feel not getting any answers.
I can tell you one thing, Of all MMOs, I've played, I never seen this much info from players being put in game.

Tell your friends to post. That helps!

frwinters_ESO

Remember, the "days" is when you get your rewards. The campaigns continue. Some people may want more frequent rewards even if its less money, others will like the larger reward at the 30 day mark. The campaigns will be better.

Lowbei

i think their proposed campaigns and lengths are fine.

Xsorus

jeradlub17_ESO wrote: »

Why does ZOS bother to ask our opinion on upcoming server changes when the 1.3 notes show they have ignored the majority of the opinions in response to their question? If you guys are just going to bulldoze ahead with another fail choice then don't bother asking for our input if you don't really plan on listening to it and modifying your actions accordingly.

A single 30d server that will be constantly locked is not the answer. Thinking oh well they can play on 5 or 7 day ones is a poor response cause I don't want to waste my time with that junk and I won't. You need 2-3 30d servers that fill evenly as people log on and population differential caps of around about 10% to keep it fair or something similar. If you have a single constantly locked server people can't get in to then many will choose simply to not play.

There is like only 1 server that has a lot of action right now..why do you think there needs to be more?

SC0TY999

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

jeradlub17_ESO wrote: »

Why does ZOS bother to ask our opinion on upcoming server changes when the 1.3 notes show they have ignored the majority of the opinions in response to their question? If you guys are just going to bulldoze ahead with another fail choice then don't bother asking for our input if you don't really plan on listening to it and modifying your actions accordingly.

A single 30d server that will be constantly locked is not the answer. Thinking oh well they can play on 5 or 7 day ones is a poor response cause I don't want to waste my time with that junk and I won't. You need 2-3 30d servers that fill evenly as people log on and population differential caps of around about 10% to keep it fair or something similar. If you have a single constantly locked server people can't get in to then many will choose simply to not play.

There is like only 1 server that has a lot of action right now..why do you think there needs to be more?

EU Bloodthorne + AB are always locked at primetime! They're going to need at least 2 - 30d

Anastasia

Cogo wrote: »

They get feedback from a lot of other sources + ESO isnt just "a made game".
They have 5 year plan for it. Cyrodiil has a specific reason, connected to the whole of ESO. Plus....the suits wants to make money.

Several of these reasons are why you feel not getting any answers.
I can tell you one thing, Of all MMOs, I've played, I never seen this much info from players being put in game.

Tell your friends to post. That helps!

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"They get feedback from a lot of other sources + ESO isnt just "a made game".
They have a 5 year plan for it."

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Oh, I'm sorry - maybe they do for the PvP part of it. One hopes so >>>>>>>>*Eyes that 5 year plan which must NOT have included the Vet+ 1-10 GROUPING content which was promo'd, and advertised for LONG before launch of TESO. Uh-huh.

timidobserver

I love the changes. They definitely haven't ignored me. The OP's post reads better with all we and ours replaced with me and mine.

jeradlub17_ESO

timidobserver wrote: »

I love the changes. They definitely haven't ignored me. The OP's post reads better with all we and ours replaced with me and mine.

I take it you didn't take the time to actually read through the linked threads or else you wouldn't be saying that. It's also not in my personality to even remotely expect that.

jeradlub17_ESO

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

jeradlub17_ESO wrote: »

Why does ZOS bother to ask our opinion on upcoming server changes when the 1.3 notes show they have ignored the majority of the opinions in response to their question? If you guys are just going to bulldoze ahead with another fail choice then don't bother asking for our input if you don't really plan on listening to it and modifying your actions accordingly.

A single 30d server that will be constantly locked is not the answer. Thinking oh well they can play on 5 or 7 day ones is a poor response cause I don't want to waste my time with that junk and I won't. You need 2-3 30d servers that fill evenly as people log on and population differential caps of around about 10% to keep it fair or something similar. If you have a single constantly locked server people can't get in to then many will choose simply to not play.

There is like only 1 server that has a lot of action right now..why do you think there needs to be more?

For NA there is more than one. Wabba is often locked with Dawn having 2-3 bars each faction. While those two are both in that state you can often see AD spike on AB and DC on Blood....now when you squish those down into just a couple servers then 2 would fill for certain and a 3rd for overflow. That's why I say 2-3 for 30d servers. Celarus I have never seen over a bar per faction as the only short term server atm and I don't foresee shorter length servers being any more popular than it is. The only reason anyone ever even went there was to emp farm which needs to be stopped.

timidobserver

jeradlub17_ESO wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

I love the changes. They definitely haven't ignored me. The OP's post reads better with all we and ours replaced with me and mine.

I take it you didn't take the time to actually read through the linked threads or else you wouldn't be saying that. It's also not in my personality to even remotely expect that.

Of course not. Why would I do that when I am already aware that those two threads don't constitute the entire ESO AvA player base.

jeradlub17_ESO

timidobserver wrote: »

jeradlub17_ESO wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

I love the changes. They definitely haven't ignored me. The OP's post reads better with all we and ours replaced with me and mine.

I take it you didn't take the time to actually read through the linked threads or else you wouldn't be saying that. It's also not in my personality to even remotely expect that.

Of course not. Why would I do that when I am already aware that those two threads don't constitute the entire ESO AvA player base.

You made my point for me. You made an uninformed response.

timidobserver

jeradlub17_ESO wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

jeradlub17_ESO wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

I love the changes. They definitely haven't ignored me. The OP's post reads better with all we and ours replaced with me and mine.

I take it you didn't take the time to actually read through the linked threads or else you wouldn't be saying that. It's also not in my personality to even remotely expect that.

Of course not. Why would I do that when I am already aware that those two threads don't constitute the entire ESO AvA player base.

You made my point for me. You made an uninformed response.

Yes, not reading two threads, makes calling you on making statements for the entire ESO community misinformed.
^Sarcasm

henrycupcakerwb17_ESO

SC0TY999 wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

jeradlub17_ESO wrote: »

Why does ZOS bother to ask our opinion on upcoming server changes when the 1.3 notes show they have ignored the majority of the opinions in response to their question? If you guys are just going to bulldoze ahead with another fail choice then don't bother asking for our input if you don't really plan on listening to it and modifying your actions accordingly.

A single 30d server that will be constantly locked is not the answer. Thinking oh well they can play on 5 or 7 day ones is a poor response cause I don't want to waste my time with that junk and I won't. You need 2-3 30d servers that fill evenly as people log on and population differential caps of around about 10% to keep it fair or something similar. If you have a single constantly locked server people can't get in to then many will choose simply to not play.

There is like only 1 server that has a lot of action right now..why do you think there needs to be more?

EU Bloodthorne + AB are always locked at primetime! They're going to need at least 2 - 30d

they should increase the capacity of each campaign instead of adding more

jeradlub17_ESO

henrycupcakerwb17_ESO wrote: »

SC0TY999 wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

jeradlub17_ESO wrote: »

Why does ZOS bother to ask our opinion on upcoming server changes when the 1.3 notes show they have ignored the majority of the opinions in response to their question? If you guys are just going to bulldoze ahead with another fail choice then don't bother asking for our input if you don't really plan on listening to it and modifying your actions accordingly.

A single 30d server that will be constantly locked is not the answer. Thinking oh well they can play on 5 or 7 day ones is a poor response cause I don't want to waste my time with that junk and I won't. You need 2-3 30d servers that fill evenly as people log on and population differential caps of around about 10% to keep it fair or something similar. If you have a single constantly locked server people can't get in to then many will choose simply to not play.

There is like only 1 server that has a lot of action right now..why do you think there needs to be more?

EU Bloodthorne + AB are always locked at primetime! They're going to need at least 2 - 30d

they should increase the capacity of each campaign instead of adding more

Not a bad idea if it is technically feasible without lag. But they have problems with lag now so I'm doubting their ability to pull that off.

jeradlub17_ESO

timidobserver wrote: »

jeradlub17_ESO wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

jeradlub17_ESO wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

I love the changes. They definitely haven't ignored me. The OP's post reads better with all we and ours replaced with me and mine.

I take it you didn't take the time to actually read through the linked threads or else you wouldn't be saying that. It's also not in my personality to even remotely expect that.

Of course not. Why would I do that when I am already aware that those two threads don't constitute the entire ESO AvA player base.

You made my point for me. You made an uninformed response.

Yes, not reading two threads, makes calling you on making statements for the entire ESO community misinformed.
^Sarcasm

LOL and who do you think is speaking in those threads you chose to ignore? The eso community. That is what makes your troll comments misinformed. No need to be a walking poster child for the saying ignorance is bliss. Go read.