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Request for information
IceDread
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This game was made for adults and young adults.
As such we expect information and quality and communication from the manufacturer.
This is a complex game, I understand that as do many other customers. I believe however I am not alone when I say I'm not satisfied with the communication lines in place. I would like to see more information. I'd like to see Q/A section where we actually get answers to our undying thirst for information.
There are many good things with this game, one mega server, very little lag, unmatched graphics for an mmo game and a lot of possibilities.
There are however also room for improvement.
This game was easily dissected by those interested in the game mechanics.
For pve and pvp, there are those who always strive for the optimal setup, those who are ok with being close to the top. I'm one of these players and I'm very concerned about the combat design.
It's very simple and if I may say so, have a clumsy design that attempts to give variety and freedom but offer none for those who wants to be good.
With skills getting their crit chance from weapon crit or stamina crit, which is hidden information that should be stated on the skill, and at the same time cost ether magica or stamina it's a lot of testing and dissecting a customer has to do to figure it out.
Once a dragon knight, night blade or templar has figured this out, that most of his skills costs magica but some are based on weapon crit and other on spell crit, that player realizes he needs to plan carefully and avoid some skills in favor of others. He can not play as he wants.
Then the players realizes that if he wants to be extremely competitive he re-rolls and goes for the sorcerer that has good cc and does not need to care about weapon crit if he sticks to a staff. But that's not a problem because restro staff is the best dps weapon anyway, then switch to destro staff for some additional aoe.
With the soft-cap on armor, low armor is not an issue, and if it needs to be buffed, there are skills for that and thus to get some more spell crit in light armor is the key as it is the key at the same time to more magica, which you need for class skills and staff skills.
Surprise surprise the game is optimal for light armor + staff and other set-ups can not go toe to toe with it. And if you do not want to be screwed on the crit chance you go with sorc and avoid the rest or figure out what skills does not have their crit chance based on weapon crit.
Some of you might be wondering, why crit is so important. Well look again how much more damage you do if you crit vs if you do not. Now know that with light armor, inner light, eqipment, thief boon, ~55% spell crit is doable for most.
This leaves a lot of room for a rework of the combat design. I also believe a lot of people are scratching their heads in confusion, wondering who came up with this design and who gave the ok for it.
Simple solution would be to have all skills based on magica and all damage based on spell damage and just call it crit chance. However, something more elegant would be appreciated.
So please, give us some information here. Is everything working as intended? Are you are satisfied with the game combat & skill design?
Edited by ZOS_LucasA on July 15, 2014 7:10PM As such we expect information and quality and communication from the manufacturer.
This is a complex game, I understand that as do many other customers. I believe however I am not alone when I say I'm not satisfied with the communication lines in place. I would like to see more information. I'd like to see Q/A section where we actually get answers to our undying thirst for information.
There are many good things with this game, one mega server, very little lag, unmatched graphics for an mmo game and a lot of possibilities.
There are however also room for improvement.
This game was easily dissected by those interested in the game mechanics.
For pve and pvp, there are those who always strive for the optimal setup, those who are ok with being close to the top. I'm one of these players and I'm very concerned about the combat design.
It's very simple and if I may say so, have a clumsy design that attempts to give variety and freedom but offer none for those who wants to be good.
With skills getting their crit chance from weapon crit or stamina crit, which is hidden information that should be stated on the skill, and at the same time cost ether magica or stamina it's a lot of testing and dissecting a customer has to do to figure it out.
Once a dragon knight, night blade or templar has figured this out, that most of his skills costs magica but some are based on weapon crit and other on spell crit, that player realizes he needs to plan carefully and avoid some skills in favor of others. He can not play as he wants.
Then the players realizes that if he wants to be extremely competitive he re-rolls and goes for the sorcerer that has good cc and does not need to care about weapon crit if he sticks to a staff. But that's not a problem because restro staff is the best dps weapon anyway, then switch to destro staff for some additional aoe.
With the soft-cap on armor, low armor is not an issue, and if it needs to be buffed, there are skills for that and thus to get some more spell crit in light armor is the key as it is the key at the same time to more magica, which you need for class skills and staff skills.
Surprise surprise the game is optimal for light armor + staff and other set-ups can not go toe to toe with it. And if you do not want to be screwed on the crit chance you go with sorc and avoid the rest or figure out what skills does not have their crit chance based on weapon crit.
Some of you might be wondering, why crit is so important. Well look again how much more damage you do if you crit vs if you do not. Now know that with light armor, inner light, eqipment, thief boon, ~55% spell crit is doable for most.
This leaves a lot of room for a rework of the combat design. I also believe a lot of people are scratching their heads in confusion, wondering who came up with this design and who gave the ok for it.
Simple solution would be to have all skills based on magica and all damage based on spell damage and just call it crit chance. However, something more elegant would be appreciated.
So please, give us some information here. Is everything working as intended? Are you are satisfied with the game combat & skill design?
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Soloeus✭✭✭✭✭
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If you want to know more, feel free to read the Road Ahead articles, upcoming patch notes and interviews that answer many of your questions. In short, not everything is perfect, but the basic mechanics are working as intended. They will be making sweeping changes to VR and stamina-based combat.----
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Samadhi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I like the current setup with two different types of crit chance. I mix and match skills and gears to obtain the effect I want.
As a Nightblade I see no issue with the current system, even though I focus primarily on crit builds."If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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Fissh✭✭✭✭✭What happened to community theorycrafting? Is that no longer a thing?
"Back in my day" (as us old people say), we would theorycraft our own uberness. I suppose today's standards call for a guide to uberness from the manufacturer shipped with the product?
You are not actually looking for a petition of information either, rather complaining about stamina builds is what I see.
There are a ton of posts on this already, along with moderator responses, and developer discussions on the subject. I recommend you do some research and reading, both of which are not hard to do on your own. Once you have actually done this, you may find that they are combating the situation with changes inbound. Will you see a fix overnight? No, and you should not expect one either. Things will change incrementally over time, as big changes could potentially break things (worse).
We are only a little over 3 months into this game, patience will do you some good. "Golden Years" of most MMOs does not come till 1year/2years into the game. Development is a process that few seem to understand.
PS: 50% crit is doable on wpn as well.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/112513/improvements-for-stamina-based-skills-and-passives/p1
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/118546/pts-patch-notes-v1-3-0/p1
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/118944/1-3-0-armor-and-weapon-sets/p1
Just to show a few links that show changes to stamina builds. ESO is in fact aware, is in fact addressing, and is in fact trying to "fix" it. Hope this helps you
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IceDread✭✭✭I want to know the direction the company is going in here.
And I'm explaining my view of our current situation.
Fissh, can you get 50% weapon crit and spell crit at the same time? I can't so I doubt you can but please prove me wrong.
Otherwise, for top dps I see no other path that sticking with magica skills and spell crit since that is the optimal path with the current design.0 -
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✭Q&A... yeah right.
The closest we get is that BS "Ask Us Anything" blog. The questions are all staged for pre-defined answers and they palm it off as if it's some interactive marvel.
High Elf Sorcerer VR12 - Destro / Resto Staff
I'm a werewolf. If you vamps don't like it.... Bite me !
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Fissh, can you get 50% weapon crit and spell crit at the same time? I can't so I doubt you can but please prove me wrong.
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Heh..."If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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Then I guess I stand corrected, or is it only because you are vampire?
And no crazy potions? :PEdited by IceDread on July 15, 2014 7:03PM0 -
Samadhi✭✭✭✭✭
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Then I guess I stand corrected, or is it only because you are vampire?
Vampire has no influence on my crit stats. I only went vampire because they get a sneak speed passive that Nightblade does not.
I may turn back after 1.3 when the craftable sneak speed set (Night's Silence) is working."If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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ZOS_LucasAmodHello, everyone. We are actively reading all your feedback, and do encourage you to continue to share it with us. Your constructive feedback is valuable, and allows us to make improvements to our game and ensure a fun and rewarding experience for everyone.
In order to ensure continued constructive and meaningful discussion on our forums, we ask that you please refrain from creating petition and protest organization threads on our forums. Neither allows for open, constructive discussion or exchange of ideas since most posts consist of “/signed.” Instead, we ask that you offer recommendations, suggestions, or requests about topics you feel need change. In order to continue making improvements to our game, it's important that we get details from you regarding why you like or dislike something.
We are leaving this thread open for discussion, but we've removed the word “petition” from the title and first post and changed it to “request.” If you have any questions or concerns about this edit, or our community rules of conduct, please feel free to contact us. Thank you!
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And no crazy potions? :P
I didn't see your edit, my bad.
With full potion passives (Alchemy + Nightblade; no Argonian) I can do:
Spell Crit potion:
Weapon Crit potion:
I keep a stack of v5 of each on Greymind hotkeys for easy access, I use potions a lot.
I'm not sure if the Offensive Scroll Bonus II my alliance has adds 5% weapon and spell crit, or just weapon and spell power though.
"If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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