You cannot have my stuff...

Erlindur

Because I'm not leaving. But I liked the going away questions ZoS is asking to those that are leaving. I decided to answer them before I decide to unsubscribe (hopefully not in the near future).

So, this is things I don't like in the game...

Please select the top reason(s) you stopped playing The Elder Scrolls Online.

Too many bugs
Yes, yes, yes and yes. And before I forget about it, yes. It becomes more than annoying. You try to keep some silly deadlines you set by yourselfs and just ruin the game. Just look at what happened with 1.2. Keep the update in the PTS for an extra couple of weeks and give us the final version. OK, some will complain that you don't keep your promise for regular updates but most will be more than happy to wait for a couple of weeks if they get a mostly bug free update.

Combat unresponsive
Yes but the problem has two sides. When my skills don't work as intended, just take a look at the bugs section. The other problem is distance. I'm in Europe and play at the EU server. My average latency is about 200ms. Assuming a similar “upload” latency from my PC to the server, I'm about half a sec behind the server. Yes, battle is unresponsive when you are half a second behind. I just wait for the move to Frankfurt.

Game balance problems in pve
Well, I'm a NB and there is a huge thread about it. I will just improvise and ask two simple things. First, give me one simple reason why someone in it's right mind will slot summon shade or blur. Can we have skills that there is at least one remote situation where they may be useful? And second, Is there a mechanic in game where a group leader will say, hmm we need a Nightblade for that.

Game balance problems in pvp
Not my thing yet. But I hate zergs. Simply asking as a noob. Is there something other than zergs in there? Really, I want to know and I appreciate any answers from seasoned pvp players.

Interference from gold sellers and/or bot programs
You've done a good job there. I don't see bots or gold sellers anymore. But I get plenty of interference from legit players. /Zone is filled with people wanting to sell or buy. Can we at least get a /trade channel?

My friends stopped playing
Unfortunately yes

The game is not social enough
Hmm, I like phasing as a way to tell a story. But it creates social havoc. Can I suggest an addition to your grouping tools? Looking for a group, dropdown>My active quest, pool> people that are in the same phase as I am in that quest.

Technical performance problems on my PC / Mac.
Nah

Started playing / returned to a different massively multiplayer online game
Nope

Not enough time to play
Oh, bring it to me till September

The game is not fun
Love it

The game is not what I expected it to be, based on previous Elder Scrolls games
It is not ES yet

I can’t afford the subscription cost / it’s too expensive. I would be willing to pay (in USD/Month)
If I went out tonight instead of writing this, I would probably spend more.

I still want to play, but I want to change my payment method.
Okie

I don’t want to pay a monthly subscription fee
PLEASE DON'T GO F2P

Billing or payment problems when processing my subscription
Hopefully not

Other (If you select this option, you will be given an opportunity to elaborate on the next page)

And this is what I hope for...

Selecting from the choices below, please tell us what it would take to bring you back:
I just need to deal with matters in my personal life first
My WHAT?

Fewer bugs
Yes please

More responsive combat
That would be nice

Fewer bots, gold-spammers
Kill them all!

Better game/customer support
I had a few runs with your CS. Nice people but can you please keep them updated with what is going on with the game. Sometimes their responses are from another planet. Send them daily memos.

Less lagging responsiveness
EU servewr in EU first and then we can talk about it again.

Resolution of my technical issues
There is something wrong with my linux right now but I don't think that it has anything to do with the game,. Unless of course you are talking about the fact that I prefer to play instead of fixing it. In that case I thank you for your concern. I promise I'll fix it during the next update downtime.

More subscription options to choose from
Nah

I'd like the European server to be in Europe
Yep.

Wider array of languages
Like my native Greek? OH NO! It gets really ugly in translation.

More opportunities for exploration
Yes, I like that. Less invisible walls please.

Greater variety of quests
What can I say? I love quests and I would like more and better ones. Maybe some cross map ones.

Less focus on leveling as a way to advance
Can't wait to see the Champion system.

Faster leveling and progression (particularly at lower levels)
Nah, I'll be bored.

More solo content
YES. Fun, really challenging solo content. BUT not challenging world (like your previous VR levels). A challenging quest. Quests that you have to think, fight some difficult encounters. Something that will take a few hours of your life to do and will reward you for it. Something that you will be proud to finish.

Improved grouping and social tools and options
You really need to work on these.

Better/more pvp content
Something pvp but not zergie maybe? And I don't mean duels.

Expanded, improved, economy (more auction houses, better banking, improved crafting and trade skill development)
I love crafting, I couldn't care less about the economy. Don't flame, it is just me.

More varied veteran rank content
Yeah, why not.

More roleplaying support
Just create an RP phase/instance and get over with it. You know. Put a nice “I want to RP” tickbox in the login screen.

More guild support
And some guild recognition. I don't have a clue about the guilds in my server right now.

Smaller group of solo PvP (arena) options
Not realy (just me again). Smaller group or solo pvp roles.

Controller support
Nah

Other (If you select this option, you will be given an opportunity to elaborate on the next page)

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

my pvp guild hangs around a few different towns in cyrodiil just to jump people trying to quest. It's a nice way to get non-zergy pvp. That or you cvan hang around the supply lines for a keep under attack and take out people as they run through.

SFBryan18

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

my pvp guild hangs around a few different towns in cyrodiil just to jump people trying to quest. It's a nice way to get non-zergy pvp. That or you cvan hang around the supply lines for a keep under attack and take out people as they run through.

I'll bet they run away when a larger guild runs through.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

SFBryan18 wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

my pvp guild hangs around a few different towns in cyrodiil just to jump people trying to quest. It's a nice way to get non-zergy pvp. That or you cvan hang around the supply lines for a keep under attack and take out people as they run through.

I'll bet they run away when a larger guild runs through.

or stealth. If you're outnumbered why wouldn't you? We've certainly been beat by groups that are equal size as well. People tend to move on though, so we are usually able to go back.

SFBryan18

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

my pvp guild hangs around a few different towns in cyrodiil just to jump people trying to quest. It's a nice way to get non-zergy pvp. That or you cvan hang around the supply lines for a keep under attack and take out people as they run through.

I'll bet they run away when a larger guild runs through.

or stealth. If you're outnumbered why wouldn't you? We've certainly been beat by groups that are equal size as well. People tend to move on though, so we are usually able to go back.

Sounds fun, actually. I'm looking forward to Cyrodil when I finish the PvE content.

Xenite

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

my pvp guild hangs around a few different towns in cyrodiil just to jump people trying to quest. It's a nice way to get non-zergy pvp. That or you cvan hang around the supply lines for a keep under attack and take out people as they run through.

So you are griefers who only look to attack single people in numbers, congratulations. Want a medal?

Mescalamba

Xenite wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

my pvp guild hangs around a few different towns in cyrodiil just to jump people trying to quest. It's a nice way to get non-zergy pvp. That or you cvan hang around the supply lines for a keep under attack and take out people as they run through.

So you are griefers who only look to attack single people in numbers, congratulations. Want a medal?

Exactly what I thought.

I saw some VR12 while I was looking for skyshard, just obviously being AFK near it. What I did? Collected skyshard and left. Sure I could kill him, but what would I prove, that Im impotent? No, thanks..

This is a game. Games have nice difference from real life, that you have luxury of actually behaving fair and playing fair. Thats for some even reason to play..

coryevans_3b14_ESO

Mescalamba wrote: »

Xenite wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

my pvp guild hangs around a few different towns in cyrodiil just to jump people trying to quest. It's a nice way to get non-zergy pvp. That or you cvan hang around the supply lines for a keep under attack and take out people as they run through.

So you are griefers who only look to attack single people in numbers, congratulations. Want a medal?

Exactly what I thought.

I saw some VR12 while I was looking for skyshard, just obviously being AFK near it. What I did? Collected skyshard and left. Sure I could kill him, but what would I prove, that Im impotent? No, thanks..

This is a game. Games have nice difference from real life, that you have luxury of actually behaving fair and playing fair. Thats for some even reason to play..

lol, you're impotent.

Mr.Turtlesworth

but I wanted ur stuff

Salaim

Guys, just can it, grab your friends, and ambush each other in game. Solves both problems, right? I hear there's a guild that hangs around Cyrodil ganking questers, grab them too.

Moderator Edit: Removed quote from moderated post.

Soloeus

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

my pvp guild hangs around a few different towns in cyrodiil just to jump people trying to quest. It's a nice way to get non-zergy pvp. That or you cvan hang around the supply lines for a keep under attack and take out people as they run through.

That just makes people leave Cyrodil. It's all fair game but its also griefing. Keep killing by all means just don't be surprised if some level 18 trying to collect Skyshards gets frustrated after getting ganked a few times and doesn't come back anymore deciding pvp isn't fun.

Soloeus

The reason I unsubbed:

I don't like being tied to a Subscription. I would be more comfortable with Game Time Cards. My time is good until November and hopefully by then you have Game Time Cards available. Not Amazon or best buy online but a local retailer, or Steam.

Subscription:

Please don't go F2P! I like paying for my time and I like others doing the same.

All in All:

I am NOT done. But when I ended my sub there was no chance to explain that I am not done. All you have is the number of my "Desub" on your books. I wanted to add context.

I wonder how many are waiting for Game Time Cards as an option?

AreoHotah

That english is making my eyes bleed...

Singular

Well keep your damn stuff then!

I don't want them!!!

Hilgara

Not a zerg fan either but I do like to swing a round a big zerg and try to tag late comers. You also get to know good routes that players regularly travel. I enjoy getting deep into enemy territory. It gives a fantastic sense of danger even if you are just questing or sky shard hunting

kieso

Erlindur wrote: »

Game balance problems in pve
Well, I'm a NB and there is a huge thread about it. I will just improvise and ask two simple things. First, give me one simple reason why someone in it's right mind will slot summon shade or blur. Can we have skills that there is at least one remote situation where they may be useful? And second, Is there a mechanic in game where a group leader will say, hmm we need a Nightblade for that.

Uhh I used summon Shade today to solo the two ogre world boss mobs on shadowfen at VR3 using my NB.

Birfreben_Kinghelred

kieso wrote: »

Erlindur wrote: »

Game balance problems in pve
Well, I'm a NB and there is a huge thread about it. I will just improvise and ask two simple things. First, give me one simple reason why someone in it's right mind will slot summon shade or blur. Can we have skills that there is at least one remote situation where they may be useful? And second, Is there a mechanic in game where a group leader will say, hmm we need a Nightblade for that.

Uhh I used summon Shade today to solo the two ogre world boss mobs on shadowfen at VR3 using my NB.

One of the recent updates makes the mobs reset if you invis for to long. Summon shade gives them something to target, so they don't reset. Dark shades is also really useful in pvp. Not only will they track invisible targets, but each time they attack against a blocking target it drains stamina as if it was a normal attack.

Hilgara

Birfreben_Kinghelred wrote: »

One of the recent updates makes the mobs reset if you invis for to long. Summon shade gives them something to target, so they don't reset. Dark shades is also really useful in pvp. Not only will they track invisible targets, but each time they attack against a blocking target it drains stamina as if it was a normal attack.

So where's the patch note for this? Its been like this for a long time and length of invisibility had no effect on them resetting. They randomly reset immediately after you re-cloak. Its only noticeable on elite bosses because normal mobs don't stay alive long enough to have multiple recloaks. It you do damage to a mob then the cloak would break anyway. So its catch 22. Do damage to prevent him resetting and not use the cloak or do no dot damage and have him randomly reset (often just before the [snip] dies)

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

Erlindur

Hilgara wrote: »

Not a zerg fan either but I do like to swing a round a big zerg and try to tag late comers. You also get to know good routes that players regularly travel. I enjoy getting deep into enemy territory. It gives a fantastic sense of danger even if you are just questing or sky shard hunting

That looks more like my game. I'll give it a try, thanks.

Hilgara wrote: »

Birfreben_Kinghelred wrote: »

One of the recent updates makes the mobs reset if you invis for to long. Summon shade gives them something to target, so they don't reset. Dark shades is also really useful in pvp. Not only will they track invisible targets, but each time they attack against a blocking target it drains stamina as if it was a normal attack.

So where's the patch note for this? Its been like this for a long time and length of invisibility had no effect on them resetting. They randomly reset immediately after you re-cloak. Its only noticeable on elite bosses because normal mobs don't stay alive long enough to have multiple recloaks. It you do damage to a mob then the cloak would break anyway. So its catch 22. Do damage to prevent him resetting and not use the cloak or do no dot damage and have him randomly reset (often just before the B*stid dies)

Well, the whole case is using it as a way to avoid a bug. A mob should not reset when someone uses one of his class core abilities. And something else. Can mobs target shades again?

Either way, I will reconsider the usefulness of shades, if what I read in the NB thread is correct. If the damage debuff lasts for the whole 20 secs the shade is on, instead of the first 4 secs, then it has its uses. Have anyone tested it yet?

PS1. I don't want to turn this into another NB thread, so I will take that question at our thread as well.

PS2. Don't bleed because of me AreoHotah. Tell you what. Give me some slack about my English and I'll give you some about your Greek.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

I think you guys are a little too defensive of pve'rs in a pvp zone. We don't grief anyone. Getting killed once or not being able to complete a quest in one spot is not griefing, that word is thrown around way too much.

We don't really like following zergs, so we look for smaller fights. Those two things happen to be the best way to do it.

And killing someone who is afk out in the open teaches them to not afk in the middle of a pvp zone. It doesn't hurt them in anyway.

Tannakaobi

Game balance problems in pvp
Not my thing yet. But I hate zergs. Simply asking as a noob. Is there something other than zergs in there? Really, I want to know and I appreciate any answers from seasoned pvp players.

I really like dungeon runs in Cyrodiil, the added fear of coming across PVP adds to the experience imo.

GreySix

Concur with the last part. If you have some cat obviously getting snacks and a beer while leaving his character high and dry in the middle of a PvP zone, really can't see anything wrong with somebody getting some cheap points by whacking it.

Would I do it? Probably not, but to each his own.

Fairydragon3

can I has your Cheeseburger then?

Erlindur

Tannakaobi wrote: »

Game balance problems in pvp
Not my thing yet. But I hate zergs. Simply asking as a noob. Is there something other than zergs in there? Really, I want to know and I appreciate any answers from seasoned pvp players.

I really like dungeon runs in Cyrodiil, the added fear of coming across PVP adds to the experience imo.

I did try one a couple of days ago. Yes it was fun. I should probably start going to Cyrodiil more often.

And I would personally have no problem if I get ganged because I'm careless. This is the only way to learn. Not everybody thinks like that though and I think there is a thin line between simple ganging and the spawn camping everybody hates from other games.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

Erlindur wrote: »

Tannakaobi wrote: »

Game balance problems in pvp
Not my thing yet. But I hate zergs. Simply asking as a noob. Is there something other than zergs in there? Really, I want to know and I appreciate any answers from seasoned pvp players.

I really like dungeon runs in Cyrodiil, the added fear of coming across PVP adds to the experience imo.

I did try one a couple of days ago. Yes it was fun. I should probably start going to Cyrodiil more often.

And I would personally have no problem if I get ganged because I'm careless. This is the only way to learn. Not everybody thinks like that though and I think there is a thin line between simple ganging and the spawn camping everybody hates from other games.

it's impossible to spawn camp in this game.

GreySix

Erlindur wrote: »

Not everybody thinks like that though and I think there is a thin line between simple ganging and the spawn camping everybody hates from other games.

Concur with that. Folks who camp on quest-givers just to grief lowbies are the scum of the Earth.

They're too afraid to go up against folks of their own level, so they instead whack lowbies, and then they thump their chests about how awesome they are at PvP.

pitdemon_ESO

Soloeus wrote: »

That just makes people leave Cyrodil. It's all fair game but its also griefing. Keep killing by all means just don't be surprised if some level 18 trying to collect Skyshards gets frustrated after getting ganked a few times and doesn't come back anymore deciding pvp isn't fun.

I got raged on by a level 18 that I killed in the supply lane during a keep capture just last night. I wanted to reply and let him know that noone really checks level in Cyrodiil but he had already logged off

If anything I'm much more interested in whether they are a tank or healer, as fighting one of those is completely different than your average DPS race.

Merlin13KAGL

Soloeus wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

my pvp guild hangs around a few different towns in cyrodiil just to jump people trying to quest. It's a nice way to get non-zergy pvp. That or you cvan hang around the supply lines for a keep under attack and take out people as they run through.

That just makes people leave Cyrodil. It's all fair game but its also griefing. Keep killing by all means just don't be surprised if some level 18 trying to collect Skyshards gets frustrated after getting ganked a few times and doesn't come back anymore deciding pvp isn't fun.

@Soloeus‌, this exactly.

@smeeprocketnub19_ESO‌, I'll happily fend my own, but there is nothing more irritating that being in the middle of a ten page long quest dialog (that you may actually want to read.) and having your border go red...

You should be exempt for a certain time during and after speaking to a questgiver. Also during a bug report...(Not sure if that applies now or not - oddly I don't recall ever getting attacked during a report, but I've also ensured I was in an area where I wouldn't be.)

Finding people in transit is one thing, camping in places like that (griefing), is quite another.

There should be pockets around areas to prevent this. It makes people that would otherwise love to get involved leave and not come back. Scaling to 50 doesn't do much when the base is now VR5 and first time visitors can't seem to make a dent (in anything), only to die and have to wait 10 minutes or respawn halfway across the planet, 30 minutes from where they just took the time to get to.

Another thing, there are always enemy NPC guards about...why are there never allied NPC guards about to assist? It would even be reasonable environmentally to see patrols of each getting into the occasional scuffle in the otherwise vast and empty landscape...(we're at war, so all the monsters went home, or what?)

Was with someone the other night, (they were) newly VR1 and proud of it, and it took exactly 10 minutes before I heard "This isn't fun anymore."

When progress stops, people stop playing, whether a zone, or the entire game.

Strategy is one thing, but a fair battleground should be exactly that. Your guild might consider that.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

Not liking something != griefing. Nor did I ever say we camped lowbies. Most of the people we attack are in vet ranks, some vr12 (before any of us were, actually.)

We also tend to go deep into enemy territory, so there are, in fact, guards that will help the people we attack.

I don't see a reason to start requesting my guild stacks up a long list of things they can and can not do while looking for a fight based on what each individual person we come across thinks is fair.

If people are quitting the game because they can't do a few quests in Bruma, that's a problem on their end, not ours. There are a lot of towns in Cyrodiil. The entire point of the zone, even when doing pve, is pvp. You go into cyrodiil knowing you might get attacked, so you shouldn't be unhappy when that actually happens.

Soloeus

Once the quest zones in PVP started getting perma-camped by hostiles, I stopped going to Cyrodil. I don't want to PVP because I want to wait to get gear rewards until I gain V10 which has been about a 2 week chase so far.

I was in Cyrodil every night to hit my dailies then jump into the fray for a while. Now I can't even stimulate myself to enter Cyrodil. I am not complaining, I will be back. But I lost my Non-PVP desire to be there, so I only go there now when I want PVP. I used to go there "Just Because" and jump into battles when convenient. So, I am speaking from my own experience.

I also talked to quite a few guildies in different guilds who agree and have the same stance however none of them will admit it because they don't want to be cyberbullied and drug through the mud "You are a bad player, you suck, Learn2Play, Go cry, Aww what a Carebear" etc.

The other difference is that I fully intend on going back into PVP within the week. Some of the others were around the level 10-40 range and now say they will not go back until V1-V10 at minimum because they have negative expectations of being defenseless and jumped around every corner.

Edit:

So I am not at all calling Quest Ganking unfair; it is fair. I am however saying that it has an unintended consequence in how others experience the game, and how their behavior and thoughts are altered as a result.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

Soloeus wrote: »

Once the quest zones in PVP started getting perma-camped by hostiles, I stopped going to Cyrodil. I don't want to PVP because I want to wait to get gear rewards until I gain V10 which has been about a 2 week chase so far.

I was in Cyrodil every night to hit my dailies then jump into the fray for a while. Now I can't even stimulate myself to enter Cyrodil. I am not complaining, I will be back. But I lost my Non-PVP desire to be there, so I only go there now when I want PVP. I used to go there "Just Because" and jump into battles when convenient. So, I am speaking from my own experience.

I also talked to quite a few guildies in different guilds who agree and have the same stance however none of them will admit it because they don't want to be cyberbullied and drug through the mud "You are a bad player, you suck, Learn2Play, Go cry, Aww what a Carebear" etc.

The other difference is that I fully intend on going back into PVP within the week. Some of the others were around the level 10-40 range and now say they will not go back until V1-V10 at minimum because they have negative expectations of being defenseless and jumped around every corner.

Edit:

So I am not at all calling Quest Ganking unfair; it is fair. I am however saying that it has an unintended consequence in how others experience the game, and how their behavior and thoughts are altered as a result.

Unfortunately, when you are playing -against- other people, both sides aren't necessarily always going to be happy with the result. Some people don't like losing, even when there is zero downsides to it, and there's not much that can be done about it. Our group has certainly been taken down before, and it was fun. I don't really mind dying. I certainly do it enough.

I have never heard this complaint, afaik it's not actually fairly common. Whenever I've gone out to quest I haven't stumbled upon it. We also do the quests while we are hanging out in that particular town, so we experience the same moments of exposure.

BTW, we don't generally wait until people are chatting with mobs to jump them, we engage as soon as we can. So it's not a case of being unable to see their surroundings, we are quite detectable.

The reason for pve in cyrodiil is to further encourage pvp outside of zergs. It's therte to encourage combat, not steer everyone away from it.