Nerf craglorn grind spots!

Cody

prepare for rant! you have been warned!
OK, so me and a friend went to craglorn tonight. eventually he got off, so I decided to try to get some people from the zone to do some quests with me. but that was not going to happen. why? "LF grind group" that's all people want to do there is grind in those "anomalies" and that "tower" I kept seeing. I already knew before hand that it would be like that, but Im still shocked:/ Why would you make all the dungeons and quests group based, yet leave all these "speed grinds" as I will call them, available for people to use? People don't want to quest in craglorn, they want to do all of those speed grinds! idk why zenimax is even considering adding more to craglorn before doing something about these grind spots. I think they either need to nerf these speed grinds, or nerf all of the dungeons and quests in the zone, to where you don't need a group for them. yes! I said nerf. I know, im a filthy QQer that should be destroyed. and don't tell me "get guildies or friends" my friend was the only one from my most active guild that was willing. none of my other friends are high enough rank(or they are not on a lot). and I have asked my other guilds NUMEROUS times to help with other things, but none of them ever replied. so I don't trust them to help with craglorn.

PBpsy

Still don't see the part where those now pretty rare grind groups stooped you and your friend from questing.

DeLindsay

PBpsy wrote: »

Still don't see the part where those now pretty rare grind groups stooped you and your friend from questing.

If you play on NA those "LFM Grind XX" aren't rare at all. But I agree there's no reason to nerf them just because the OP and his buddy couldn't get more to quest with. The bigger issue isn't that people grind out XP/Gear/Gold/etc it's that more and more these days MMO just means Massively Multiple people Online, but more often then not most just want to play solo/duo and be left to it. To the OP, you really need to find a better Guild if you've asked repeatedly for help to no avail.

Schallen

Let's just nerf the whole [snip] game.


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PBpsy

Schallen wrote: »

Let's just nerf the whole [snip] game.

I just designed a new awesome bug free and perfectly balanced mmorpg. I am almost sure that It would revolutionize gaming and make Blizzard bankrupt

So you start the game. You log in. You create a character then the game start and then this appears.

YOU WIN. A WINNER IS YOU.

after that we have end Game that just repeats YOU WIN over and over and over.

edit
Crap I posted my genius idea on the internetz. Now I will never be a billionaire,



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Cody

DeLindsay wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

Still don't see the part where those now pretty rare grind groups stooped you and your friend from questing.

If you play on NA those "LFM Grind XX" aren't rare at all. But I agree there's no reason to nerf them just because the OP and his buddy couldn't get more to quest with. The bigger issue isn't that people grind out XP/Gear/Gold/etc it's that more and more these days MMO just means Massively Multiple people Online, but more often then not most just want to play solo/duo and be left to it. To the OP, you really need to find a better Guild if you've asked repeatedly for help to no avail.

well, soon as I find a guild that is willing to quest there, I will happily shut up. but I have yet to find a guild like that, and yes, it DOEs stop me from questing when no one wants to help do quests with me. idk if you have been to craglorn, but almost every dungeon, and every quest there, will require a group to do. so you see the problem. again, if you know of a guild that quests in craglorn, post me a link or something, cause I have yet to find one

Cody

PBpsy wrote: »

Schallen wrote: »

Let's just nerf the whole [snip] game.

I just designed a new awesome bug free and perfectly balanced mmorpg. I am almost sure that It would revolutionize gaming and make Blizzard bankrupt

So you start the game. You log in. You create a character then the game start and then this appears.

YOU WIN. A WINNER IS YOU.

after that we have end Game that just repeats YOU WIN over and over and over.

edit
Crap I posted my genius idea on the internetz. Now I will never be a billionaire,



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are you serious?? when did I ever talk about wanting it to be easy? or wanting to win?? I just want to be able to actually find a group in a group based zone. I don't want to go there and grind for hours on end. but I guess that's my problem, because most people don't want to do the quests, and I am wasting my time going there anyway. I wont make that mistake again. hopefully I find some people willing to do it with me.

aleister

The people grinding aren't going to quest with you in CL if they nerf it. They'd probably go back to one of the vet zones or somewhere else to get xp more efficiently.

Cody

well, then I need to find an endgame guild to help me. I have asked in every zone except reapers march, if you have any guilds that can help me, get them to invt me. cause im at a loss atm.

yelloweyedemon

Too late now. Also wrong focus point.

Craglorn should be accessible only to V10+

DeLindsay

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

Too late now. Also wrong focus point.

Craglorn should be accessible only to V10+

No, as stated by MANY players in various threads as to why Craglorn should NOT be Rank locked. There are MANY players like myself that are simply faster/better at some things than others. I completed the entirety of Cadwell's Almanac at VR7, and as AD my final VR10 boss was that Imperial lady who spawns 20 skeletons. For you to say I should then have to go "grind" out 3 more Ranks before I can even step foot in Craglorn even though I've fully finished the entire storyline is laughable at best.

Craglorn is already locked to anyone who hasn't defeated Molag Bal and started Cadwell's Almanac, and that's enough of a "lock" for that zone.

yelloweyedemon

DeLindsay wrote: »

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

Too late now. Also wrong focus point.

Craglorn should be accessible only to V10+

No, as stated by MANY players in various threads as to why Craglorn should NOT be Rank locked. There are MANY players like myself that are simply faster/better at some things than others. I completed the entirety of Cadwell's Almanac at VR7, and as AD my final VR10 boss was that Imperial lady who spawns 20 skeletons. For you to say I should then have to go "grind" out 3 more Ranks before I can even step foot in Craglorn even though I've fully finished the entire storyline is laughable at best.

Craglorn is already locked to anyone who hasn't defeated Molag Bal and started Cadwell's Almanac, and that's enough of a "lock" for that zone.

If you completed every storyline and quest without skipping stuff, you should be above V10.

I was V1 and 75% to V2 and I was just about to do the last CH quest (where Meridia comes and saves the day).

I don't care what players say. Most of those opinions could be the Craglorn farmers for all we know.

Craglorn created the biggest problem this game had (content-wise). It was so bad, that now they are revamping the whole veteran content.

DeLindsay

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

If you completed every storyline and quest without skipping stuff, you should be above V10.

I was V1 and 75% to V2 and I was just about to do the last CH quest (where Meridia comes and saves the day).

I don't care what players say. Most of those opinions could be the Craglorn farmers for all we know.

Craglorn created the biggest problem this game had (content-wise). It was so bad, that now they are revamping the whole veteran content.

There is nothing in ESO or any other MMO that says I am required to fully complete every single zone in order to access the next higher level zone, nothing. You don't care what players say, and we don't care what your opinion is about Craglorn. It's locked to players who haven't started Cadwell's Almanac and that's good enough. You and and others with this opinion, have no right to tell me that the game I pay a monthly fee for that I must play how YOU want me to play. If I'm good enough to defeat my VR10 final main storyline boss at VR7 then there's not a damn thing you can do to stop me from moving on in content, regardless of your "opinion".

Even if I wasn't that good, ZoS made Craglorn open for anyone on Cadwell's Almanac and since it's THEIR game there's no reason to change it because of YOU.

yelloweyedemon

DeLindsay wrote: »

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

If you completed every storyline and quest without skipping stuff, you should be above V10.

I was V1 and 75% to V2 and I was just about to do the last CH quest (where Meridia comes and saves the day).

I don't care what players say. Most of those opinions could be the Craglorn farmers for all we know.

Craglorn created the biggest problem this game had (content-wise). It was so bad, that now they are revamping the whole veteran content.

There is nothing in ESO or any other MMO that says I am required to fully complete every single zone in order to access the next higher level zone, nothing.

Your arguments do not even make sense. You just said in your previous post that you completed every single storyline, and you were not high enough veteran rank (something that would be impossible anyways). You come now and say that you are not "required" to complete all content because nothing says so.

If you are going to argue for the sake of arguing, at least don't change your arguments 1 post later.

DeLindsay wrote: »

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

If you completed every storyline and quest without skipping stuff, you should be above V10.

I was V1 and 75% to V2 and I was just about to do the last CH quest (where Meridia comes and saves the day).

I don't care what players say. Most of those opinions could be the Craglorn farmers for all we know.

Craglorn created the biggest problem this game had (content-wise). It was so bad, that now they are revamping the whole veteran content.

You don't care what players say, and we don't care what your opinion is about Craglorn. It's locked to players who haven't started Cadwell's Almanac and that's good enough. You and and others with this opinion, have no right to tell me that the game I pay a monthly fee for that I must play how YOU want me to play. If I'm good enough to defeat my VR10 final main storyline boss at VR7 then there's not a damn thing you can do to stop me from moving on in content, regardless of your "opinion".

Even if I wasn't that good, ZoS made Craglorn open for anyone on Cadwell's Almanac and since it's THEIR game there's no reason to change it because of YOU.

I don't care what you pay per month, and I don't care how you play. I just state my opinion trying to explain where the problem with veteran content lies. Neither my opinion nor yours is going to change the devs mind, so stop trying to attack me every change given.

Fact is that most of the veteran zones are left untouched, because people just chose the easy way which is to group at Craglorn and wait/grind 24/7 at the same spot untill you are V12. It is way faster than normal questing, easier since it requires no skill, and you don't lose much since the rewards in VR content are almost non-existant. The Craglorn plan failed so much, that they are now revamping the whole veteran content, in order to lure people doing that which they were supposed to do by game design.

DeLindsay

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

Your arguments do not even make sense. You just said in your previous post that you completed every single storyline, and you were not high enough veteran rank (something that would be impossible anyways). You come now and say that you are not "required" to complete all content because nothing says so.

If you are going to argue for the sake of arguing, at least don't change your arguments 1 post later.

Maybe you should re-read it. I stated very clearly that I completed the main storyline including my VR10 boss, which for AD is the Imperial lady in Bangkorai that spawns 20 skeletons. I then stated after your response that there is no game that requires players to fully complete every zone before moving on, your argument for why Craglorn should be locked to VR10. The main storyline (AKA Cadwell's Almanac in VR) has nothing to do with zone completion. If fact you only have about 1/4 to 1/3rd the quests done by the time you finish all 3 chains in each zone, and move onto the next. That is how you can EASILY move onto higher zones/VR zones while being lower level/rank, thought that was pretty obvious, guess not.

No matter how you phrase it, some players are better than other players and to lock the good players out all because it's your opinion that XYZ Zone shouldn't have them in it is insulting. Also if all players want to do is grind craglorn then that is THEIR choice. If YOU don't want to grind in Craglorn then don't but to ask ZoS to "nerf grinding" because you don't like it is ridiculous.

yelloweyedemon

DeLindsay wrote: »

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

Your arguments do not even make sense. You just said in your previous post that you completed every single storyline, and you were not high enough veteran rank (something that would be impossible anyways). You come now and say that you are not "required" to complete all content because nothing says so.

If you are going to argue for the sake of arguing, at least don't change your arguments 1 post later.

Maybe you should re-read it. I stated very clearly that I completed the main storyline including my VR10 boss, which for AD is the Imperial lady in Bangkorai that spawns 20 skeletons. I then stated after your response that there is no game that requires players to fully complete every zone before moving on, your argument for why Craglorn should be locked to VR10. The main storyline (AKA Cadwell's Almanac in VR) has nothing to do with zone completion. If fact you only have about 1/4 to 1/3rd the quests done by the time you finish all 3 chains in each zone, and move onto the next. That is how you can EASILY move onto higher zones/VR zones while being lower level/rank, thought that was pretty obvious, guess not.

No matter how you phrase it, some players are better than other players and to lock the good players out all because it's your opinion that XYZ Zone shouldn't have them in it is insulting. Also if all players want to do is grind craglorn then that is THEIR choice. If YOU don't want to grind in Craglorn then don't but to ask ZoS to "nerf grinding" because you don't like it is ridiculous.

You are defending the Craglorn broken farming mechanic. That alone is all I need to stop arguing with you from now on.

Cyas! I'll miss you!

DeLindsay

Indeed I am in defense of people being able to play the game in any way they see fit as long as it doesn't violate EULA. If someone wants to quest to max level, they have that option. If another wants to PvP to max level they have that option. If yet another wants to grind repeated content until they want to stab their eyes out with a spoon just to see color they have that option too. Wanting something nerfed because it isn't the style of play you like or desire or think the game should be is what's wrong with this post, not just your specific opinion by itself.

NookyZooky wrote: »

well, then I need to find an endgame guild to help me. I have asked in every zone except reapers march, if you have any guilds that can help me, get them to invt me. cause im at a loss atm.

I do not have one specific in mind and I wasn't attacking you for your choice in Guilds, just making a comment that maybe you aren't in the right Guild(s) if nobody will help you. It's odd though that you are still having issues even as a duo. There were many people who pushed through much of Craglorn's quests as solo/duo even on the first day so I'm not sure what the issue is with you and ur buddy specifically as I don't know you and haven't seen you in action. Best I can say is keep trying and hope the right Guild comes along that's helpful.

EDIT: What Faction are you and do you play on NA or EU? My only VR is on NA and is AD. I also play on EU with a really good Guild that has quite a few Vets but I myself am only 27 there so wouldn't be of any help to you in Craglorn.

SBR_QuorTek

Its an easy work over... just add a 30minute spawn time on them..

Cody

DeLindsay wrote: »

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

If you completed every storyline and quest without skipping stuff, you should be above V10.

I was V1 and 75% to V2 and I was just about to do the last CH quest (where Meridia comes and saves the day).

I don't care what players say. Most of those opinions could be the Craglorn farmers for all we know.

Craglorn created the biggest problem this game had (content-wise). It was so bad, that now they are revamping the whole veteran content.

There is nothing in ESO or any other MMO that says I am required to fully complete every single zone in order to access the next higher level zone, nothing. You don't care what players say, and we don't care what your opinion is about Craglorn. It's locked to players who haven't started Cadwell's Almanac and that's good enough. You and and others with this opinion, have no right to tell me that the game I pay a monthly fee for that I must play how YOU want me to play. If I'm good enough to defeat my VR10 final main storyline boss at VR7 then there's not a damn thing you can do to stop me from moving on in content, regardless of your "opinion".

Even if I wasn't that good, ZoS made Craglorn open for anyone on Cadwell's Almanac and since it's THEIR game there's no reason to change it because of YOU.

DeLindsay wrote: »

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

Your arguments do not even make sense. You just said in your previous post that you completed every single storyline, and you were not high enough veteran rank (something that would be impossible anyways). You come now and say that you are not "required" to complete all content because nothing says so.

If you are going to argue for the sake of arguing, at least don't change your arguments 1 post later.

Maybe you should re-read it. I stated very clearly that I completed the main storyline including my VR10 boss, which for AD is the Imperial lady in Bangkorai that spawns 20 skeletons. I then stated after your response that there is no game that requires players to fully complete every zone before moving on, your argument for why Craglorn should be locked to VR10. The main storyline (AKA Cadwell's Almanac in VR) has nothing to do with zone completion. If fact you only have about 1/4 to 1/3rd the quests done by the time you finish all 3 chains in each zone, and move onto the next. That is how you can EASILY move onto higher zones/VR zones while being lower level/rank, thought that was pretty obvious, guess not.

No matter how you phrase it, some players are better than other players and to lock the good players out all because it's your opinion that XYZ Zone shouldn't have them in it is insulting. Also if all players want to do is grind craglorn then that is THEIR choice. If YOU don't want to grind in Craglorn then don't but to ask ZoS to "nerf grinding" because you don't like it is ridiculous.

its not "ridiculous" Idk if you noticed, but 90% of the PvP population is VR12. that is a problem. there should not be this many max lvl players this early in the game. don't tell me "they speed thru the vet content" because that is a lie. if they did speed thru it like you did, they would not even be vet 10. I have spent the last month and a half going thru the vet zones, doing every quest I could, and I JUST reached VR10 a few days ago, and im near the end. AND don't give " just level up" excuse. I play more than most people do, and it took me 2 and a half months(1-50 plus veteran content) to reach the highest vet levels. how long will it take someone who does not have a lot of time on their hands? With all these VR12s around, all you can really do when lower than the higher vet levels is scout and fire a trebuchet(unless you are just really good at the game). Yes, I don't like grinding. There are things about this game I do not like, but I don't make threads about every single one of them asking for nerfs. that would be idiotic. I made a thread about these speed grinds, asking for a nerf, because I believe they have a big impact on the overall game, and I don't think it is positive.
if you have a better idea, then post it. Or don't, do whatever you want. but something needs to be done either way.

DeLindsay

NookyZooky wrote: »

WALL OF TEXT LOL

Ok man there's obviously no help for you as you can't even make rational comments. I tried to help, even offered to help you personally depending on which server you were on. I haven't done ANY grinding in ESO or any other game because it bores me to death, but ANYONE who wants to grind has exactly the same right to do so with their money that I do not to grind with my money. I'm only VR8 on NA, and 27 on EU. Saying that this game shouldn't have so many VR12's this early is utterly amusing.

How one player decides to play this GAME has absolutely NO impact on you or the game itself. Nobody here has any right to tell any other person how to play the game, including you. ZoS doesn't need to nerf anything to do with grinding anything, period.

EDIT: I see what the issue is here and it's not people grinding in Craglorn. Those very same players who didn't care when you were asking for help questing because you "think" they were all grinding STILL won't care to help you if ZoS makes grinding nearly impossible.

Jimm_ay

Aren't the grind groups doing most of the quest? just follow along and deviate to finish the quest...

Lunerdog

Some one else that wants to tell others what to do instead of getting on and playing his game, other folk are paying to play the way that suits them, leave them be.

Junipus

They already nerfed the anomalies once, if you insist they nerf them again then either bring suggestions or realise that not everyone wants to go through all the quest content in veteran ranks to reach V12.

Personally I add a little RP in and don't see why my character, the saviour of DC, really cares about saving the AD queen who I'm trying to wipe in PvP. Does this mean that I should be forced to help save her in a game that advertised "play as you want" (or some variance)? The answer is no.

If you can't find people at a given time to help you complete quests because they're all off grinding, then realise it's because people want to do that. If you remove that option they're not suddenly going to come help you quest or whatever else you aim to do.

I also get the impression that you spent only one instance looking for people to group with (if at all) and simply went off the zone chat of "LFG anomaly", so your entire point to begin with is fundamentally flawed.

aleister

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

Too late now. Also wrong focus point.

Craglorn should be accessible only to V10+

No. If the recycled vet zones were the only content available to V1-V9 players, then you would see a mass exodus. The message has been delivered pretty loud and clear and thankfully ZOS heard it, people want alternative vet PVE content and CL is the only thing we have until update 4 at least.

Cody

Lunerdog wrote: »

Some one else that wants to tell others what to do instead of getting on and playing his game, other folk are paying to play the way that suits them, leave them be.

if I don't like what people are doing, I have a right to voice my opinion on it. I am also paying to play, and if I disagree with something, I am going to voice it if I please. DO I want something done about this? yes do I really expect anything to be done? not really. am I going to go to craglorn and try to be the super duper control freak that you think I am? of course not! if people want to spend their time grinding, that's fine, but I myself don't like it. but if people want to do it, I cant stop them. they are paying for it like you said.(plus I just found out a day or 2 ago it already got nerfed once, so im not really too concerned about it anymore, as we cant just nerf it to oblivion)

Cody

dap_robertb16_ESO wrote: »

They already nerfed the anomalies once, if you insist they nerf them again then either bring suggestions or realise that not everyone wants to go through all the quest content in veteran ranks to reach V12.

Personally I add a little RP in and don't see why my character, the saviour of DC, really cares about saving the AD queen who I'm trying to wipe in PvP. Does this mean that I should be forced to help save her in a game that advertised "play as you want" (or some variance)? The answer is no.

If you can't find people at a given time to help you complete quests because they're all off grinding, then realise it's because people want to do that. If you remove that option they're not suddenly going to come help you quest or whatever else you aim to do.

I also get the impression that you spent only one instance looking for people to group with (if at all) and simply went off the zone chat of "LFG anomaly", so your entire point to begin with is fundamentally flawed.

just go to it, and type in "LFG quests" or something like it. if you DO find people, cool. but I doubt you will.

Cody

Jimm_ay wrote: »

Aren't the grind groups doing most of the quest? just follow along and deviate to finish the quest...

nope:/ there are quests that require you to go to certain dungoens, and these people are not going to these dungeons:/. I did try what you said though, it did work for a while. but once I had to go to those dungeons....... yeah:/

sajackson

The whole veteran system is being changed in the near future - I suggest waiting to see what they are proposing during the Q&A session on Friday before making any more judgement or nerf requests.

The fact is that the horse has well and truely bolted with the whole Craglorn\anomaly grind thing, nerfing it again now will make little or no difference - no-one is doing the quests in Craglorn anyway because getting a group together who all want to do the same quests you want to do is just too time consuming and annoying. People will just go to Cyrodiil instead.

Unfortunately the whole Craglorn thing was just not very well though through (it kind of felt like it was rushed out in any case). Making the quests only completable in groups was a complete mistake because of the above issues. Adding group content is perfectly reasonable for end-game but these should be dungeon crawls or bosses. Group quests just don't work in a MMO.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

I'm okay with craglorn as is, sometimes you don't want to have to grind yet another character through 2 more factions in vet ranks. Also, sometimes you don't want to even do that with your first character. Sometimes you just want to pvp, for example. You should be able to do that.

Cody

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

I'm okay with craglorn as is, sometimes you don't want to have to grind yet another character through 2 more factions in vet ranks. Also, sometimes you don't want to even do that with your first character. Sometimes you just want to pvp, for example. You should be able to do that.

well, like I stated above, you have to get to highest ranks to PvP in this game because a crap ton of people decided to go grind it out in craglorn to reach the highest level in just a few days. if that was not possible, you would not have to go thru 2 alliances of vet content to PvP in the first place. I do get that the actual(yes I said actual) vet content is just not... reasonable... as ill call it, to many people. I myself have FINALLY reached reapers march, my last vet zone, and will be VERY happy to be done with it. hopefully they do change some things with this new champion system they are talking about

Cody

sajackson wrote: »

The whole veteran system is being changed in the near future - I suggest waiting to see what they are proposing during the Q&A session on Friday before making any more judgement or nerf requests.

The fact is that the horse has well and truely bolted with the whole Craglorn\anomaly grind thing, nerfing it again now will make little or no difference - no-one is doing the quests in Craglorn anyway because getting a group together who all want to do the same quests you want to do is just too time consuming and annoying. People will just go to Cyrodiil instead.

Unfortunately the whole Craglorn thing was just not very well though through (it kind of felt like it was rushed out in any case). Making the quests only completable in groups was a complete mistake because of the above issues. Adding group content is perfectly reasonable for end-game but these should be dungeon crawls or bosses. Group quests just don't work in a MMO.

I am aware it already got a nerf. I found out a day or 2 after I posted this, so im not really begging for a nerf anymore. no sense in nerfing it to oblivion