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What do YOU think is causing the FPS issues?
danno8
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So here is a chance for everyone to play the armchair developer. When this issue gets resolved (if it gets resolved?), we get to see how smart the community is in general. Hopefully ZoS will share the gist of problem when it gets fixed.
Edited by danno8 on July 7, 2014 1:49PM What do YOU think is causing the FPS issues? 187 votes
Clearly it is server lag, too many people playing at the same time!
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7 votes
Clearly it is a GPU/driver/memory leak problem and the CPU is having to do all the rendering!
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47 votes
Clearly it is the "new" lighting, it is taxing everyone's system too hard!
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23 votes
I don't presume to know, I ain't no programmer!
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60 votes
Clearly it is the players fault, they need to take a look on their end and stop visiting so many *** sites so they don't get so many viruses/adware!
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12 votes
Other....
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danno8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Clearly it is a GPU/driver/memory leak problem and the CPU is having to do all the rendering!When I watch videos of 1-2 FPS it looks to me very much like what would happen if I tried to run the game on CPU only. So I think something is going wrong with the GPU rendering, whether it is a memory leak or driver/coding issue.0 -
Other....I noticed my FPS to go down when several players casted healing springs. I think it's effect has to do something with it, though I have no idea why this drop don't end when the spell effect is gone.Edited by sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO on July 7, 2014 1:52PM0
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✭✭✭Other....Glitch Gremlins that live in the the modem and chew on wires which causes lag. You should unhook your Modem, Place it on the floor, light some candles and pray for the Glitch Gremlin to be banished. Re hook up your modem and see if it worked. If not try banishing him again.3 -
neueregel✭✭✭Other....I notice this only in a few zones. When I turn my minimap off, it goes away.Are you not entertained?
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Cogo✭✭✭✭✭
✭Other....What is this poll for? Do you work for Zenimax with both their datacenter and software?
I do, (not Zenimax!) and I cant even guess. What is the purpose of this post?Edited by Cogo on July 7, 2014 2:20PMOghur Hatemachine, Guild leader of The Nephilim - EU Megaserver
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danno8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Clearly it is a GPU/driver/memory leak problem and the CPU is having to do all the rendering!What is interesting so far, is after the first few days, lots of people were calling for a revert of the lighting system, as they were sure that was it. Now 2 weeks later...not a vote yet.0 -
ItsRejectz✭✭✭✭✭Clearly it is the "new" lighting, it is taxing everyone's system too hard!IMO it's the new lighting and parical effects. If I got into my user file and turn off the partical effects totally, it fixes my fps. The only issue is then I can't see anything the is being casted or spells lolXbox EU - GT: o69 Woody 69o
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Aeaeren✭✭✭I think it has to do with skills, spells ect that effect more then 6 people. I noticed last night that meat bag siege weapon fired my frames dropped instantly. Somehow it's not clearing it self out of memory or maybe it's stuck in a loop or something. Moving away from the situation doe not improve your FPS once you get hit with the bug, only restarting the game.0
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✭I don't presume to know, I ain't no programmer!I've been a professional software developer/designer for decades and I have no idea where the problem would be as I know nothing about graphics software and hardware .. just like many posting in this thread .. so I have no basis to pontificate, unlike others here.1 -
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✭Other....I picked the wrong option -_-. I can't seem to find the post atm but some people have found disabling lighting effects completely fixes the FPS issues. Of course this means you can't see any spells, light sources, etc. So not really a viable fix but it does show us it is at least related to the lighting system.
Also as a side note it's definitely not a memory leak. If it was a memory leak then a client restart would be required to fix the issue and a relog wouldn't suffice. Not to mention a memory leak would lead to relatively frequent crashing.Edited by LtCrunch on July 7, 2014 2:09PMNerdSauce GamingLaughs-At-Wounds - Sap tanking since 03/30/14ßrandalf - Light armor tanking since 03/03/15Brandalf Beer-Belly - Tanking drunk since 12/30/161 -
Auralia✭✭✭I don't presume to know, I ain't no programmer!Not sure, I only do pve and have not had any fps problems.0 -
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✭✭I don't presume to know, I ain't no programmer!Turned my graphics down from ultra to high. Increased frame rated.Your immersion is breaking my entitlement. Buff Sorc's. Darkshroud the cremator Death by furRubeus BlackFluffy knight BladesThe Fat PantherPsijic Fungal SausageFlesheater the VileCaspian Rafferty FernsbyArchfiend Warlock PiersThe Black BishopEvil Wizard Lizard (EU)Neberra Vestige Fajeon (EU)Salanis Deathstick (EU)Blood Mage Alchemist (EU)0 -
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✭✭Other....The low FPS are due CPU limits, also known as Draw Calls.
As more people and objects are to be rendered per frame, as more power is required. PC CPU´s are about 10x less powerful in that job than those of Consoles because of the API that is used on PC´s these days.
Therefore anything that exists the maximum of Draw Calls (2-3k on PCs), will cause a lag as our GPU´s simply put need to wait for the CPU´s commands on what to draw.
You can see this very well with objects in the distance, they pop up even at 100 draw distance and how our FPS go downhill if many players are on the screen or you are in towns / in combat.
Another example for this is how the worlds actually look like. Many MMO´s have pretty empty landscapes, no clouds, no weather effects or little things swirling around like insects or loads of NPC´s, non static objects.
I think that the Devs went a bit overhead with the quality of the game, not considering the issue´s it can cause for PC users. The game looks almost too good for an MMO, especially if you consider that they want us to fight 100v100 in open pvp.
There are basically two options to help.
1. Mantle
If you played Thief or BF4 you will know the benefit of it. We are talking about twice the FPS on Ultra. This however most likely wont be an option for the Devs, I am not in their team but I believe a game must be designed from scratch to support Mantle, its nothing you can just "add" later.
2. Multi core support
Many players report that their quad core is not fully utilized. Actually the whole rendering happens on one single thread. If they could change this to three threads I am sure we would get a higher FPS, especially those on AMD CPU´s.
ESO isn't alone with these probs however, WS has them too and WOW had them as well for many years until they went triple rendering so to speak. SWTOR still doesn't has it I believe?3 -
Vazkahkatz✭✭I don't presume to know, I ain't no programmer!I find it odd by the way you wrote the option of not knowing and equating it to ignorance/stupidityfeel da powah of da katz!0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I don't presume to know, I ain't no programmer!I picked the wrong option -_-. I can't seem to find the post atm but some people have found disabling lighting effects completely fixes the FPS issues. Of course this means you can't see any spells, light sources, etc. So not really a viable fix but it does show us it is at least related to the lighting system.
awesome post and very insightfull.
HOWEVER tho, how pray tell did you disable the lighting? as you mention here in your comment.
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MonkeyAssassin24✭✭✭Other....I think Facebook paid for a social experiment to see if negative feelings derived from a game would carry over into social networking.
Or maybe it was the Joker. He loves to cause chaos.On second thought, let's not go to the forums. 'Tis a silly place.0 -
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Orc Weapon Specialist and Warchief of the Ebonheart Pact - Trueflame Cyrodiil War Campaign
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Sihnfahl✭✭✭✭Other....It seems to be variable as to the cause. It seems to be one no set culprit.
Here's why I say that. In Daggerfall's bank, if I stare at a blank wall, I get mid 30s, no problem, at the highest resolution. If I look anywhere else, where lighting is in play, it drops. So it would lean towards lighting.
However, yesterday I was in Alik'r. The moment I got near one of those 'dying bug' clouds, my FPS dropped to slideshow quality.
Was it the particulates? Or was the game engine going nuts trying to handle the lighting from the moving particulates...0 -
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hmm ...
well i spose i would not say it publicly iether ....
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✭Other....Do you guys even know what the lightning effects are?
Think we need remove these forums to "I assume and expect", instead on ESO forums.Oghur Hatemachine, Guild leader of The Nephilim - EU Megaserver
Orc Weapon Specialist and Warchief of the Ebonheart Pact - Trueflame Cyrodiil War Campaign
Guildsite: The Nephilim
"I don't agree with what you are saying, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it"
-Voltaire
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Katniss_Everlark✭✭✭Clearly it is a GPU/driver/memory leak problem and the CPU is having to do all the rendering!I picked the wrong option -_-. I can't seem to find the post atm but some people have found disabling lighting effects completely fixes the FPS issues. Of course this means you can't see any spells, light sources, etc. So not really a viable fix but it does show us it is at least related to the lighting system.
Also as a side note it's definitely not a memory leak. If it was a memory leak then a client restart would be required to fix the issue and a relog wouldn't suffice. Not to mention a memory leak would lead to relatively frequent crashing.
It is connected to memory leak. If I don't restart my whole computer after a few hours of playing & start toon hopping I have a full crash. Other players in my pvp guild have the same issue. The fps issue only happens while in Cyrodiil during pvp content there. The other night I was at 1 fps when I was leaving Cyrodiil via wayshrine. When I got to Davon's Watch I had 60 fps.Edited by Katniss_Everlark on July 7, 2014 2:29PMLegendary Legion
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Aeradon✭✭✭✭✭Other....Since it's not the skills, must have been the login screen!
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✭Other....Its called MMO.Oghur Hatemachine, Guild leader of The Nephilim - EU Megaserver
Orc Weapon Specialist and Warchief of the Ebonheart Pact - Trueflame Cyrodiil War Campaign
Guildsite: The Nephilim
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danno8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Clearly it is a GPU/driver/memory leak problem and the CPU is having to do all the rendering!What is this poll for?
For fun, entertainment and such. To discuss. Some people might learn something, or not. This is the ESO forums right? Or did I take a wrong turn? Why do you care?Vazkahkatz wrote: »I find it odd by the way you wrote the option of not knowing and equating it to ignorance/stupidity
I don't get it. What makes you think that? Is it the word "ain't"? I never said anything about stupidity, and there is nothing wrong with being ignorant (although I never said that either), I am ignorant of many things, so are you and so is everyone.
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Reevster✭✭✭✭✭I think they have had this problem all along and the last "patch" aggravated it , I have always had to reboot my system after a few hours to get rid of the memory leak, now everything is delayed as soon as i login now . Memory leak needs to be fixed plus whatever they messed up in the last patch.0
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ebondeath✭✭✭✭✭I don't presume to know, I ain't no programmer!I'm going to go with..."aliens."╔═════════════⌈Alannah Corvaine⌋══════════════╗
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Csub✭✭✭✭✭I don't presume to know, I ain't no programmer!The real cause is the constant negativity on the forums even when it is not that justified (I know it is now, but it`s not always the case)."The Divines gave you a nose for a reason, Tharn. So you can keep your mouth shut and still keep breathing. - Lyris Titanborn0