Would you like these improvements to fishing?

Blackwidow

Cogo wrote: »

No mount, forget that.

Why no mount?

Cogo wrote: »

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Bait takes inventory space. Stop making a EVERY good idea to something easy for you.

You have never heard of a tackle box?

hammer_fella

AlexDougherty wrote: »

hammer_fella wrote: »

Blackwidow wrote: »

I'm a bit of a TES lore junkie but I've never seen this map, where did you find it and is it canon? As far as I'm aware this is the first depiction of Akavir that I've ever seen, not to mention some of the smaller isles to the east.

Akavir is in the right place, as is Atmora, they've both been show in books in the TES games. I don't know about the other contientis, but they seem to be ok.

Yes they are all in the right places as described in books, but a map of Akavir absolutely has not been depicted in any previous lore. Interesting to see that it is easily as large as Tamriel if not larger.

Blackwidow

hammer_fella wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

hammer_fella wrote: »

Blackwidow wrote: »

I'm a bit of a TES lore junkie but I've never seen this map, where did you find it and is it canon? As far as I'm aware this is the first depiction of Akavir that I've ever seen, not to mention some of the smaller isles to the east.

Akavir is in the right place, as is Atmora, they've both been show in books in the TES games. I don't know about the other contientis, but they seem to be ok.

Yes they are all in the right places as described in books, but a map of Akavir absolutely has not been depicted in any previous lore. Interesting to see that it is easily as large as Tamriel if not larger.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Akavir

Cogo

Blackwidow wrote: »

Cogo wrote: »

No mount, forget that.

Why no mount?

Cogo wrote: »

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Bait takes inventory space. Stop making a EVERY good idea to something easy for you.

You have never heard of a tackle box?

Is it so hard for you to say "Hey! Thanks for the compliment", instead of keep trashing my comments? :-P

Stuff should have a wieght. Its to easy it is already.

Blackwidow

Cogo wrote: »

Blackwidow wrote: »

Cogo wrote: »

No mount, forget that.

Why no mount?

Cogo wrote: »

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Bait takes inventory space. Stop making a EVERY good idea to something easy for you.

You have never heard of a tackle box?

Is it so hard for you to say "Hey! Thanks for the compliment", instead of keep trashing my comments? :-P

I just asked you a question. Have you ever heard of a tackle box?

That is trashing you? No offense, but I think you try to find everything I say as offensive.

Also, why no mount?

Stuff should have a wieght. Its to easy it is already.

Nothing has weight in this game.

However, the tackle box would help organize the fishing items.

Audigy

I just had the bug again where I fished a green item and it did not land in my bags. I thought this was fixed with 1.2?

Hamfast

I don't know, perhaps a temporary mount that can get you past the slaughter fish to get to a local island with a mini-quest... as an explorer I can see the islands, and it irks me I am not able to get to them... there is one off the coast of the north end of Kanarthi's roost that helped me get my "Slaughtered" achievement...

I am not a fan of "Epic" mounts, as it becomes a status symbol, and really does nothing to promote "Fishing" once you have it...

I do like the rest of your ideas

Blackwidow

Hamfast wrote: »

I do like the rest of your ideas

Thanks.

I am not a fan of "Epic" mounts, as it becomes a status symbol,

I thought that was a good side of epic mounts.

May I ask what is bad about a status symbol in a MMO? I'm not saying you are wrong, I just don't understand what you mean.

and really does nothing to promote "Fishing" once you have it...

Well, I hope all the other ideas will still promote it.

k9mouse

All mounts need to be lore friendly at all times! Riding pink bunnies is stupid and should NOT be in ESO (and any other non lore friendly mounts)

Hamfast

@Blackwidow‌, it's a personal thing, I am just not a fan of Epic Mounts, status symbols and ePeen measuring sticks in general... call it a character flaw...

Epic Mounts leads to the need for more epic mounts and that leads to who knows what... Mounts are only currently used to get you from point A to Point B slightly faster, you can pay 47K and feed one and get there slightly faster still... what will "Epic" mounts add? a new Color? slightly faster? Runs on Water like roads? Carry more stuff? Make a puff of Steam if hit by fire?

As I said, I like to explore, find the holes in the "do not pass this point" walls... look at the edge of the map to see what's there... a flying mount would make that trivial... not that I get anything for trying to walk to Cyrodiil from Reapers March but some screen shots of the end of the world...

Blackwidow

k9mouse wrote: »

All mounts need to be lore friendly at all times! Riding pink bunnies is stupid and should NOT be in ESO (and any other non lore friendly mounts)

I never asked for pink bunnies. Way to use hyperbole to make a point. It's an invalid point, BTW.

Blackwidow wrote: »

Truth is, Nirn is a big world.
http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/220/b/b/planet_nirn___political__v1__by_hori873-d6h6lwd.png




All we know about is Tamriel. One continent. And truthfully we don't even know all about that.

So, anyone who says, "that should not be in the game because we have never heard of it", is misguided at best.

We should not change what we already know, but we don't know much about Nirn.

Blackwidow

Hamfast wrote: »

@Blackwidow‌, it's a personal thing, I am just not a fan of Epic Mounts, status symbols and ePeen measuring sticks in general... call it a character flaw...

Epic Mounts leads to the need for more epic mounts and that leads to who knows what... Mounts are only currently used to get you from point A to Point B slightly faster, you can pay 47K and feed one and get there slightly faster still... what will "Epic" mounts add? a new Color? slightly faster? Runs on Water like roads? Carry more stuff? Make a puff of Steam if hit by fire?

As I said, I like to explore, find the holes in the "do not pass this point" walls... look at the edge of the map to see what's there... a flying mount would make that trivial... not that I get anything for trying to walk to Cyrodiil from Reapers March but some screen shots of the end of the world...

While I get your point, I think most people do like status items. That is why they want fancy armor and weapons, cool mounts, rare dyes, rare motifs, etc.

It's just the way MMOs are, for most people.

isengrimb16_ESO

Hamfast wrote: »

@Blackwidow‌, it's a personal thing, I am just not a fan of Epic Mounts, status symbols and ePeen measuring sticks in general... call it a character flaw...

Epic Mounts leads to the need for more epic mounts and that leads to who knows what... Mounts are only currently used to get you from point A to Point B slightly faster, you can pay 47K and feed one and get there slightly faster still... what will "Epic" mounts add? a new Color? slightly faster? Runs on Water like roads? Carry more stuff? Make a puff of Steam if hit by fire?

As I said, I like to explore, find the holes in the "do not pass this point" walls... look at the edge of the map to see what's there... a flying mount would make that trivial... not that I get anything for trying to walk to Cyrodiil from Reapers March but some screen shots of the end of the world...

To be fair, I don't think they'll ever introduce flying mounts here; it certainly isn't lore friendly (at least in WoW, I think flying units were available in the RTS games, and you do see them used in some stories) - at least, I've never heard of flight in Elder Scrolls, unless you count Harpies (and no, I doubt they'll ever let us play those).

They already have "status" mounts in the form of the Imperial and Palomino horses - it merely means "hey, I had some bucks to blow on this", but hey. Most of the epeen stuff over WoW mounts comes from them being linked to raid meta-achievements, and even rare dungeon/raid drops, but those can become more common over time (two years to get my Raven Lord; it's no big deal any more, it just takes time and grinding, but I simply like it.)

I guess there's no word yet on the upcoming new mounts and how to get them? Hopefully, simply through the stable.

Blackwidow

isengrimb16_ESO wrote: »

To be fair, I don't think they'll ever introduce flying mounts here

I agree. I also hope it stays that way.

it certainly isn't lore friendly - at least, I've never heard of flight in Elder Scrolls, unless you count Harpies.

We had dragon mounts in Skyrim. Not mods.

I guess there's no word yet on the upcoming new mounts and how to get them? Hopefully, simply through the stable.

We will see soon enough.

isengrimb16_ESO

Blackwidow wrote: »

isengrimb16_ESO wrote: »

To be fair, I don't think they'll ever introduce flying mounts here

I agree. I also hope it stays that way.

it certainly isn't lore friendly - at least, I've never heard of flight in Elder Scrolls, unless you count Harpies.

We had dragon mounts in Skyrim. Not mods.

I guess there's no word yet on the upcoming new mounts and how to get them? Hopefully, simply through the stable.

We will see soon enough.

I don't count the dragon mounts from Skyrim, because you need the Dragonborn thing for that. And isn't it just another form of fast-travel, like the carriages? You don't get to actually fly over the landscape? I have DB, but haven't finished playing through it; I just got a ride or two from Ohdaviing (however you spell it, the friendly from the main quest you "capture". That was hilarious, I was standing in front of a guard, who started to say something, when Ohdaviing pretty much wiped him off the map. Picked him up, gone. Is that supposed to happen?)

Anyway, flying on dragonback was a unique ability of the Dragonborn. It's not like anyone can make buddies with a young dragon and go off happy together on Nirn.

Blackwidow

isengrimb16_ESO wrote: »

I don't count the dragon mounts from Skyrim, because you need the Dragonborn thing for that.

You said it was not part of the lore. I was just pointing it out that is was.

Anyway, flying on dragonback was a unique ability of the Dragonborn. It's not like anyone can make buddies with a young dragon and go off happy together on Nirn.

No, but Nirn is a big world. We don't know what will happen in the future, especially if they ever decide to use the other continents.

Tremulous

Maybe we can all ride argonians who specced into swim speed.

Gothic

I love these ideas!

I don't know why, but there was something about the fishing in Rift that I found extremely enjoyable (don't judge, I really liked that game). Maybe it was the achievements, trophy fish for the collections, variability from zone to zone, and the treasure chests that could contain stuff to place in your house, but it was really fun and relaxing! ...I mean for a fishing activity in an MMO that is.

Heck, even something like the fishing in Torchlight would be an improvement. I really hope this gets developed further.

isengrimb16_ESO

Blackwidow wrote: »

isengrimb16_ESO wrote: »

I don't count the dragon mounts from Skyrim, because you need the Dragonborn thing for that.

You said it was not part of the lore. I was just pointing it out that is was.

Anyway, flying on dragonback was a unique ability of the Dragonborn. It's not like anyone can make buddies with a young dragon and go off happy together on Nirn.

No, but Nirn is a big world. We don't know what will happen in the future, especially if they ever decide to use the other continents.

Ok, fair enough, but it's lore that hasn't happened yet. We don't know if the older Dragonborn ever did it, or if OUR fourth era Dragonorn are JUST THAT SPECIAL (and I certainly hope they are!)

I don't think other continents matter; for WoW, at least most dragons did have a friendly disposition towards non-dragons (and even the Blacks did at first, before Neltharion's fall) ... Nirn, dragons were once the rulers of the rest, and do seem to have a generally unfriendly attitude. We can blame Alduin all we want, but I don't think the leader was the only problem with dragon culture and viewpoint. Parthurnaax and Ohdaviing are oddballs, outcasts. How oddballs think and act should never be taken as a sign the rest of 'em will ever see eye to eye with you.

Blackwidow

isengrimb16_ESO wrote: »

Blackwidow wrote: »

isengrimb16_ESO wrote: »

I don't count the dragon mounts from Skyrim, because you need the Dragonborn thing for that.

You said it was not part of the lore. I was just pointing it out that is was.

Anyway, flying on dragonback was a unique ability of the Dragonborn. It's not like anyone can make buddies with a young dragon and go off happy together on Nirn.

No, but Nirn is a big world. We don't know what will happen in the future, especially if they ever decide to use the other continents.

Ok, fair enough, but it's lore that hasn't happened yet.

You got me there.

I don't think other continents matter

True, for now. I agree the dragons should adhere to TES lore.

Hamfast

Again, it may be a matter of perspective, I don't look at the cash mounts and gold mounts as status symbols, they are just mounts... but I do see your point that they could be perceived that way...just like I don't see the current Motifs a status symbol, I can make VR 12 Daedric armor, but so can anyone else who puts in the time and makes the effort.

I also understand the desire for recognition (Achievements/Status symbols) just like I would have liked to get some achievement/recognition for finding a way up the cliff in Kenarthi's Roost or the north edge of the map in Reapers March, but as I see it, the difference between an achievement and a Status Symbol is who can see it... I know I have harvested 10K nodes on my highest level character, but you can't tell it... I have opened a bunch of chests, found every point of interest and every skyshard in every zone I have been in, but you can't see that, there is no real status there beyond what I can see of and for myself.

I can also admit I enjoyed running through the Wailing Prison in a set of Primal Armor, but I also don't care if anyone else notices... I see "Status Symbols" as just another ePeen measuring stick, epic mounts, special one of a kind armor and weapons and so on as just another way someone can, at least in their own mind, feel they are better then their fellows and feel the need to brag about it.

Edit - What I got out of exploring Reapers March

Blackwidow

Hamfast wrote: »

I see "Status Symbols" as just another ePeen measuring stick, epic mounts, special one of a kind armor and weapons and so on as just another way someone can, at least in their own mind, feel they are better than their fellows and feel the need to brag about it.

You are right, it is exactly that, but there is nothing wrong with it. It happens in real life as well as games. Some people just want to feel important.

Don't get me wrong, I see your "Pride before the fall" argument as valid, but it is a personal choice on how you play your character.

Some people want the epeen feeling, and there is nothing wrong with that. Competition is one of the reasons MMOs are better than single player games.

It is just one social aspect of the game.

isengrimb16_ESO

If someone banged their heads against the wall for those WoW raid meta-achievements, then, yeah, let 'em have their mount to show for it. They're not game-breaking; if you don't want to try for it yourself, there's no real reason to. I guess that's why dyes might be tied to achievements ....

And kind of why many wouldn't mind trophy cases when they bring in housing .. even if no one else ever sees our stuff, at least we can SEE the things as well as play with them. It just makes them a bit more .. tangible.

A trophy wall just for fishing trophies/rares would probably be a thing, in a trophy room with your deer antlers and bear heads ...

Hamfast

First, let me quote myself, I did say this, and the character flaw I referred to is mine...

Hamfast wrote: »

it's a personal thing, I am just not a fan of Epic Mounts, status symbols and ePeen measuring sticks in general... call it a character flaw...

isengrimb16_ESO wrote: »

If someone banged their heads against the wall for those WoW raid meta-achievements, then, yeah, let 'em have their mount to show for it. They're not game-breaking; if you don't want to try for it yourself, there's no real reason to. I guess that's why dyes might be tied to achievements ....

And kind of why many wouldn't mind trophy cases when they bring in housing .. even if no one else ever sees our stuff, at least we can SEE the things as well as play with them. It just makes them a bit more .. tangible.

A trophy wall just for fishing trophies/rares would probably be a thing, in a trophy room with your deer antlers and bear heads ...

I don't disagree, Seeing something makes the achievement more tangible and I like the idea of a trophy case/room when they finally introduce housing...

As for tying the Dyes to Achievements is something we will have to see first before we evaluate it... I am still waiting for the "Ask us Anything" thread...

As for doing things "wow-like"... as long as they don't import PAK's from wow (Punk Arsed Kids) I will try to be happy

isengrimb16_ESO

Yeah, that's why the "might"; I wouldn't be too surprised if they did, though. I'd rather it be a crafting line myself, but, who knows what they might have in mind for visible achievements.