do you think vet mode needed a rebalancing

hamon

the other poll is flawed imo. simply asking if its was too hard especially on a public poll where your answer is seen by everyone is wrong.

some folk might feel it was too hard to be fun but not too hard to actually do. so this poll is worded in a better way imo

hamon

ive made this one anon , so nobody needs to feel pressured by everyone calling folk who say it might be too hard etc.. a "whiney milk drinker, baddie , noob " etc etc.. that get bandied around by our wannabe tough guys

Soloeus

Let the wannabe tough guys cry.

1. Take off all your armor, use a stamina only build and don't use any form of healing, potions or food.

2. Don't use "Light Weaving" techniques.

3. Respec your character. Don't place any passive skills.


There, hard mode.

Now we both get what we want. I get something manageable without being a Professional MMO Athlete and you still have the ability to make the game harder on yourself.

Wifeaggro13

hamon wrote: »

the other poll is flawed imo. simply asking if its was too hard especially on a public poll where your answer is seen by everyone is wrong.

some folk might feel it was too hard to be fun but not too hard to actually do. so this poll is worded in a better way imo

The melee skills and armor needed re balancing. all they are doing is ruining the game by making content easier so the broken heavy medium melee specs can accomplish it. This game is done before its first anniversary. Incoming freemium announcement

hamon

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

hamon wrote: »

the other poll is flawed imo. simply asking if its was too hard especially on a public poll where your answer is seen by everyone is wrong.

some folk might feel it was too hard to be fun but not too hard to actually do. so this poll is worded in a better way imo

The melee skills and armor needed re balancing. all they are doing is ruining the game by making content easier so the broken heavy medium melee specs can accomplish it. This game is done before its first anniversary. Incoming freemium announcement

i agree some armour and stamina re-balancing needs work big time.. but thats not the issue at hard.. but make no mistake i fully support that part of your statement.

Lord_Hev

Oh gods yes. VR difficulty was absurdly fake. Illogical even by vertical leveling standards.

Wifeaggro13

Unfortuately making it easier is not going to make it anyless of a boring grind with little reward and forced time sink to extend leveling life

hamon

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

Unfortuately making it easier is not going to make it anyless of a boring grind with little reward and forced time sink to extend leveling life

yes but the rewards for doing it needs to be another debate. but i do agree with you , for the record.

MongooseOne

I have said this in a number of these threads and will say it again.

The different weapon sets need balancing not the Vet content. Vet content is a vastly different experience depending on which weapon set you enjoy playing, balance those out and everyone wins....

ers101284b14_ESO

MongooseOne wrote: »

I have said this in a number of these threads and will say it again.

The different weapon sets need balancing not the Vet content. Vet content is a vastly different experience depending on which weapon set you enjoy playing, balance those out and everyone wins....

^ Exactly

Loco_Mofo

Soloeus wrote: »

Let the wannabe tough guys cry.

1. Take off all your armor, use a stamina only build and don't use any form of healing, potions or food.

2. Don't use "Light Weaving" techniques.

3. Respec your character. Don't place any passive skills.


There, hard mode.

Now we both get what we want. I get something manageable without being a Professional MMO Athlete and you still have the ability to make the game harder on yourself.

Suggestions like this are pathetic and offer nothing constructive. I'm not investing time pimping out my toon just so I can take all its gear off , remove all its passives, remove all its buffs and play a style I don't like just so I can be challenged.

If the majority want the game dumbed down, because content is too challenging then so be it. I'll find another game that challenges me, not something that bores me to tears.

Armianlee

hamon wrote: »

the other poll is flawed imo. simply asking if its was too hard especially on a public poll where your answer is seen by everyone is wrong.

some folk might feel it was too hard to be fun but not too hard to actually do. so this poll is worded in a better way imo

This one is just as flawed. Yes it needs rebalancing, but not a heavy nerf.

Stratti

Soloeus wrote: »

Let the wannabe tough guys cry.

1. Take off all your armor, use a stamina only build and don't use any form of healing, potions or food.

2. Don't use "Light Weaving" techniques.

3. Respec your character. Don't place any passive skills.


There, hard mode.

Now we both get what we want. I get something manageable without being a Professional MMO Athlete and you still have the ability to make the game harder on yourself.

Lol

Did Call of Duty get boring ... MMO were always hard, grinds games . This will turn into an online version of the old Simpson smash and bash arcade game.

Loco_Mofo

MongooseOne wrote: »

I have said this in a number of these threads and will say it again.

The different weapon sets need balancing not the Vet content. Vet content is a vastly different experience depending on which weapon set you enjoy playing, balance those out and everyone wins....

Exactly.

Fixing the games balance (class & builds) first would go a long way improving VR difficulty.

Soloeus

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

hamon wrote: »

the other poll is flawed imo. simply asking if its was too hard especially on a public poll where your answer is seen by everyone is wrong.

some folk might feel it was too hard to be fun but not too hard to actually do. so this poll is worded in a better way imo

The melee skills and armor needed re balancing. all they are doing is ruining the game by making content easier so the broken heavy medium melee specs can accomplish it. This game is done before its first anniversary. Incoming freemium announcement

Players who think they can put 5 Stamina/Weapon skills on their bar and be viable need to lose a whole lot and keep QQ. They need to learn how to mix it up and be more well rounded. Quite simple, really.

Armianlee

Soloeus wrote: »

Let the wannabe tough guys cry.

1. Take off all your armor, use a stamina only build and don't use any form of healing, potions or food.

2. Don't use "Light Weaving" techniques.

3. Respec your character. Don't place any passive skills.


There, hard mode.

Now we both get what we want. I get something manageable without being a Professional MMO Athlete and you still have the ability to make the game harder on yourself.

I am for a slight nerf, but telling people this is just ignorant.

I play a stamina only build with one of the hardest classes to play. I am making it through just fine. I've spent awhile getting the stuff collected for my gear and would really not like to just have it sit in my bag. Not really fair to ask people to overly handicap themselves to play. Besides, all those could be turned around on you,

1) Get better armour, use a magica build with LA and staff. Make sure you use food and potion buffs before fights.

2) Use "Light Weaving" techniques.

3) Repec your character, use more passive skills.

4) L2P.

5) Hello Kitty Online needs more players.

You know if ZOS had come out and said they will never nerf VR, you would be crying about people posting the above to you. So, let's not do it to the people who actually enjoyed the game as it was.

Corew

People shouldn't go ballistic until we've seen what monday brings

Wifeaggro13

Soloeus wrote: »

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

hamon wrote: »

the other poll is flawed imo. simply asking if its was too hard especially on a public poll where your answer is seen by everyone is wrong.

some folk might feel it was too hard to be fun but not too hard to actually do. so this poll is worded in a better way imo

The melee skills and armor needed re balancing. all they are doing is ruining the game by making content easier so the broken heavy medium melee specs can accomplish it. This game is done before its first anniversary. Incoming freemium announcement

Players who think they can put 5 Stamina/Weapon skills on their bar and be viable need to lose a whole lot and keep QQ. They need to learn how to mix it up and be more well rounded. Quite simple, really.

You sit do not understand the game in the least and you are definately dont play the pve endgame. No one even remotely described your current syatement. You should not have to wear a dress and staff swap to make end game viable dps checks. Statements like that show trollish tendancies

Wifeaggro13

Soloeus wrote: »

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

hamon wrote: »

the other poll is flawed imo. simply asking if its was too hard especially on a public poll where your answer is seen by everyone is wrong.

some folk might feel it was too hard to be fun but not too hard to actually do. so this poll is worded in a better way imo

The melee skills and armor needed re balancing. all they are doing is ruining the game by making content easier so the broken heavy medium melee specs can accomplish it. This game is done before its first anniversary. Incoming freemium announcement

Players who think they can put 5 Stamina/Weapon skills on their bar and be viable need to lose a whole lot and keep QQ. They need to learn how to mix it up and be more well rounded. Quite simple, really.

You sit do not understand the game in the least and you are definately dont play the pve endgame. No one even remotely described your current syatement. You should not have to wear a dress and staff swap to make end game viable dps checks. Statements like that show trollish tendancies

born2beagator

Corew wrote: »

People shouldn't go ballistic until we've seen what monday brings

Agree. But too late. These elitist snobs who told everyone to l2p and "stop QQ" are now having to do some QQ of their own and they don't like it.

Stratti

Enjoy the end of the game for it is coming soon. The community is small . Nerfs dropped blizzard from 13 million to 7. Literally 13-7 people rejected the game by end if lich king because even a 9 year old was able to get a 6k GS.

Reality is we don't have many subs and everything is dead - group finder, zone etc etc. it's not the content difficulty it is the rewards .

If you made the rewards awesome then people would persevere .

born2beagator

Armianlee wrote: »

hamon wrote: »

the other poll is flawed imo. simply asking if its was too hard especially on a public poll where your answer is seen by everyone is wrong.

some folk might feel it was too hard to be fun but not too hard to actually do. so this poll is worded in a better way imo

This one is just as flawed. Yes it needs rebalancing, but not a heavy nerf.

Funny thing...we don't even know if its a heavy nerf.

Elad13

Rebalanced yes...but if they do chances are they will screw up something else anyways....Each patch seems to bring forth more bugs...I will have to say it's upsetting to fairly easily kill 2 enemies but almost certain death for 3. Then seeing the recap of 700+ damage from some throw dagger....If you are in vet zones and you have all this experience going against these random enemies that must have tons more skills then you gained through the eso world...then add in the invisible mobs and load screens during combat and sprinkle in "glad you killed that main story line baddie....here's a white $0 value reward.
The whole idea about exploring seems to have been lost with this game. Harder fights should = greater rewards....but they dont...so instead of just making better drops to encourage people to play more as a group/team...they just say.. "well make it easier"....again totally missing the point of obvious.

Tabbycat

born2beagator wrote: »

Armianlee wrote: »

hamon wrote: »

the other poll is flawed imo. simply asking if its was too hard especially on a public poll where your answer is seen by everyone is wrong.

some folk might feel it was too hard to be fun but not too hard to actually do. so this poll is worded in a better way imo

This one is just as flawed. Yes it needs rebalancing, but not a heavy nerf.

Funny thing...we don't even know if its a heavy nerf.

I think they said instead of VR content being aimed at 2 players, they are changing it to 1.5. Easier for two people but still fairly challenging for one.

born2beagator

Tabbycat wrote: »

born2beagator wrote: »

Armianlee wrote: »

hamon wrote: »

the other poll is flawed imo. simply asking if its was too hard especially on a public poll where your answer is seen by everyone is wrong.

some folk might feel it was too hard to be fun but not too hard to actually do. so this poll is worded in a better way imo

This one is just as flawed. Yes it needs rebalancing, but not a heavy nerf.

Funny thing...we don't even know if its a heavy nerf.

I think they said instead of VR content being aimed at 2 players, they are changing it to 1.5. Easier for two people but still fairly challenging for one.

Link? if this is true then these whiners need to take a hike.

firstdecan

The only thing that's really bad about the difficult content is that it costs you gold to repair your armor when you die. Players would probably be less upset about a difficult game if they could fail without significant penalty. For someone who is improving their gaming skill, getting to a point where you don't have money left to repair your gear can be really annoying.

As far as rebalancing goes, I think some of the lower level VR zones could be a little easier, and then graduate to current difficulty in VR10 zones. VR1 was quite a shock to the system. Having just completed Cadwell's Gold, I think I did adapt.

The devs should be less concerned about content right now, and more concerned about core mechanics. There's lag \ crash \ playability issues that are compounding the frustration.

Tabbycat

One of the guiding principles of our Veteran gameplay was to encourage you (not force you) to group. We wanted you to be able to reach max level by playing solo if you wished, but still encourage you to group with others along the way. This principle was the reason we made our post-50 zones more difficult; we wanted you to get together with others to take on tougher challenges and form social bonds while you did so. But we understand that, despite our vision, this is not how all our players want to experience the game beyond level 50.

Level 50+ and 50++ content will still be more difficult than normal level 50 content, but easier to solo than it is now. So, yes, a middle ground.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/117132/veteran-system-changes-preview

You can also view the Developer Tracker to easily see the two posts I quoted.

born2beagator

There you go then. All you whiners need to can it with the "massive nerf" talk. Its clearly not.

hamon

born2beagator wrote: »

There you go then. All you whiners need to can it with the "massive nerf" talk. Its clearly not.

yes but dont ask for common sense from the drama queens. who can only see things in terms of masssive nerf or OP. there is no middle ground

Mordria

I think it needs more content-ing.

Armianlee

born2beagator wrote: »

Armianlee wrote: »

hamon wrote: »

the other poll is flawed imo. simply asking if its was too hard especially on a public poll where your answer is seen by everyone is wrong.

some folk might feel it was too hard to be fun but not too hard to actually do. so this poll is worded in a better way imo

This one is just as flawed. Yes it needs rebalancing, but not a heavy nerf.

Funny thing...we don't even know if its a heavy nerf.

Well, we do know it isn't going to be so heavy. That has nothing to do with what I was saying though. I wasn't saying it was or was not getting a heavy nerf. I was merely saying that this poll is as flawed as the ones that are simple "yes" or "no". Seeing a couple more options like

Yes it needs rebalancing, but with rewards.

Yes it needs rebalancing, slight nerf and higher rewards.

So on and so forth, honestly the "Yes it needs rebalancing" option is just as flawed as saying "No it isn't that hard".

Tabbycat wrote: »

born2beagator wrote: »

Armianlee wrote: »

hamon wrote: »

the other poll is flawed imo. simply asking if its was too hard especially on a public poll where your answer is seen by everyone is wrong.

some folk might feel it was too hard to be fun but not too hard to actually do. so this poll is worded in a better way imo

This one is just as flawed. Yes it needs rebalancing, but not a heavy nerf.

Funny thing...we don't even know if its a heavy nerf.

I think they said instead of VR content being aimed at 2 players, they are changing it to 1.5. Easier for two people but still fairly challenging for one.

Yes, middle ground is indeed what they've been saying (did not see the 1.5 bit until tonight) and is why I have said, and maintain, that I have no problems with it.

born2beagator wrote: »

There you go then. All you whiners need to can it with the "massive nerf" talk. Its clearly not.

You're the only one who has mentioned "massive nerf" in this thread. You are going around from thread to thread waving your "win" in the air and pretty much telling everyone else to "suck it". It also seems to me you were a great "whiner" when things were .5 more difficult.

hamon wrote: »

yes but dont ask for common sense from the drama queens. who can only see things in terms of masssive nerf or OP. there is no middle ground

That door swings both ways. There are plenty in here that were complaining that current VR levels are "Impossible". That is wholly false and makes them "drama queens".

/shrug. My only point that I was making was that the poll is flawed. That is all.