Templars

suelothvar

So I rolled a templar, seeing lots of posts of how bad they are (its a habit in games, that I roll the class seen as bad) Had lots of fun, but wow Just hit 3rd zone and I swear everyone I see is a Templar, it's like an epidemic lol.

Did I miss something?

nerrollus

They seem to be good with PvE but in PvP they're the worst.

I blew through all the PvE content no problem, but I constantly get face rolled in PvP. They just don't have the ability to burst damage, do long roots, or stun lock like the other 3 classes. They really need to be tweaked.

dcincali

Are you DC by chance? All we ever see from DC are temps.. For reals though..

zmanu

Templars are quite strong 1-50, but after that you will start having problems.

Also, bots are always templars, maybe you were seeing those?

Innocente

Nerro,

Don't forget, Templars have no ability to warp into targets, or yank them to us. Sucks.

Innocente

Oh, and don't forget that Z yanked our Regen right before launch.

zmanu

Innocente wrote: »

Nerro,

Don't forget, Templars have no ability to warp into targets, or yank them to us. Sucks.

We do have a charge.

Mojomonkeyman

Templars are considered one of the strongest classes in pvp right now. Blazing shield build, heal-eclipse build and so on. Just because a bunch of bads blame their class for them messing up doesn`t make it true.

Ask any dedicated pvp templar of your choice for advice before judging a class because of forum warriors. Forums usually happen to be complainer`s paradise.

Best Regards

Innocente

Ya. But look what we have to give up to actually use it.

RinaldoGandolphi

Templars are more of a support class, think like a combat medic.Templars are very good at that role.

snares, and other debuffs, there ultimate heal and nova ultimate are very good when used in a support role.

templars in light armor with resto staff and atrobach stone with mana regen and magicka based gear do really well at keeping a party alive and also doing some support damage and other debuffs to help.

do templars need a slight tweak? Sure fix their resource management and they are golden. Templars were supposed to be a support class, there whole skill line screams support and combat medic, and when used that way they excell, fix their resource management they would be perfect.

Innocente

Woodsro,

I certainly agree. That is how I play my Templar. Primary healer with a secondary DPS load-out. My preferred environment is in a group. If Templars had just a bit more (or any) passive regen capability, we would be golden.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Running a Two handed VR6 Templar I can say our demise was greatly exaggerated. I didn't pick the skill up until VR2 but If I had I'm fairly sure you could solo 1-50 just using puncturing sweeps. Well Except maybe Molag. And now it heals? Oh my!

And before I get the question Yes i use puncturing sweep and still consider myself Two handed. 3 stamina skills and 1-2 magicka depending on the fight.

Some_Jerk

IMO, it's not so much that we (templars) lack an effective form of burst damage, but rather that there is no truly effective burst damage outside of class spells at this time. Hopefully when stamina builds are fixed in the future it won't matter that we don't have competitive DPS spells as we will be able to source DPS from other lines available to all. The biggest problem is that we have no magicka regen, and our currently effective spells cost way too much magicka for what we get out of them. Another problem is that we cannot choose who to target for our single target heals, and I find that trying to heal myself in a last ditch attempt to survive often results in healing some other random ally in my proximity and thus, my death.
At launch we were worse off, I am starting to think that we may be one day able to compete with the other classes. (Yes a well built and experienced templar player can very well beat the other classes one on one, but if said templar player is up against an equally well built and skilled member of another class he/she doesn't stand a chance).

Templars do also appear to me (at least on DC) to be the most populous class, and I think this is because of the "Paladin" image they have.

Surinen

templars definately deserve a solid burst buff to their abilities. how can it be that these nova summoning wielders of the pure magicka, struggle against the foes that should melt in front of their eyes.

Mojomonkeyman

s_tibob16_ESO wrote: »

IMO, it's not so much that we (templars) lack an effective form of burst damage, but rather that there is no truly effective burst damage outside of class spells at this time. Hopefully when stamina builds are fixed in the future it won't matter that we don't have competitive DPS spells as we will be able to source DPS from other lines available to all. The biggest problem is that we have no magicka regen, and our currently effective spells cost way too much magicka for what we get out of them. Another problem is that we cannot choose who to target for our single target heals, and I find that trying to heal myself in a last ditch attempt to survive often results in healing some other random ally in my proximity and thus, my death.
At launch we were worse off, I am starting to think that we may be one day able to compete with the other classes. (Yes a well built and experienced templar player can very well beat the other classes one on one, but if said templar player is up against an equally well built and skilled member of another class he/she doesn't stand a chance).

Templars do also appear to me (at least on DC) to be the most populous class, and I think this is because of the "Paladin" image they have.

This just is not true anymore. Blazing shield build counters DK and Melee NB more than very well, ask any avid dueler. Any good build with eclipse will beat a sorc or light armor/staff NB.

So, right now, templars are the most difficult opponents for templars in duel situations.

Best regards.

zmanu

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

s_tibob16_ESO wrote: »

IMO, it's not so much that we (templars) lack an effective form of burst damage, but rather that there is no truly effective burst damage outside of class spells at this time. Hopefully when stamina builds are fixed in the future it won't matter that we don't have competitive DPS spells as we will be able to source DPS from other lines available to all. The biggest problem is that we have no magicka regen, and our currently effective spells cost way too much magicka for what we get out of them. Another problem is that we cannot choose who to target for our single target heals, and I find that trying to heal myself in a last ditch attempt to survive often results in healing some other random ally in my proximity and thus, my death.
At launch we were worse off, I am starting to think that we may be one day able to compete with the other classes. (Yes a well built and experienced templar player can very well beat the other classes one on one, but if said templar player is up against an equally well built and skilled member of another class he/she doesn't stand a chance).

Templars do also appear to me (at least on DC) to be the most populous class, and I think this is because of the "Paladin" image they have.

This just is not true anymore. Blazing shield build counters DK and Melee NB more than very well, ask any avid dueler. Any good build with eclipse will beat a sorc or light armor/staff NB.

So, right now, templars are the most difficult opponents for templars in duel situations.

Best regards.

Do you know what's easy to counter? A blazing shield templar.

a dk do not need anything else but talons to defeat that, just keep the shield up and spam talons just 3 times or so, or even fossilize, and you can drop a standard and watch the templar burn.
A melee NB is pretty easy to counter on almost any build unless they are clever and stun you twice in a row, then you're dead, and blazing shield would not really do anything.

These days, the two things that always contribute to my death is venom arrow and crystal shard. doesn't matter if I play on my dk, my templar or my sorcerer it's always those two skills.

Oh and guess how you defeat a templar on a sorc?
You blink through them and use your imagination.

suelothvar

Yep im on DC, templars everywhere lol, but as i mostly spend time soloing or healing my mate when he is online (he is abit of a lemming)

Mojomonkeyman

zmanu wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

s_tibob16_ESO wrote: »

IMO, it's not so much that we (templars) lack an effective form of burst damage, but rather that there is no truly effective burst damage outside of class spells at this time. Hopefully when stamina builds are fixed in the future it won't matter that we don't have competitive DPS spells as we will be able to source DPS from other lines available to all. The biggest problem is that we have no magicka regen, and our currently effective spells cost way too much magicka for what we get out of them. Another problem is that we cannot choose who to target for our single target heals, and I find that trying to heal myself in a last ditch attempt to survive often results in healing some other random ally in my proximity and thus, my death.
At launch we were worse off, I am starting to think that we may be one day able to compete with the other classes. (Yes a well built and experienced templar player can very well beat the other classes one on one, but if said templar player is up against an equally well built and skilled member of another class he/she doesn't stand a chance).

Templars do also appear to me (at least on DC) to be the most populous class, and I think this is because of the "Paladin" image they have.

This just is not true anymore. Blazing shield build counters DK and Melee NB more than very well, ask any avid dueler. Any good build with eclipse will beat a sorc or light armor/staff NB.

So, right now, templars are the most difficult opponents for templars in duel situations.

Best regards.

Do you know what's easy to counter? A blazing shield templar.

a dk do not need anything else but talons to defeat that, just keep the shield up and spam talons just 3 times or so, or even fossilize, and you can drop a standard and watch the templar burn.
A melee NB is pretty easy to counter on almost any build unless they are clever and stun you twice in a row, then you're dead, and blazing shield would not really do anything.

These days, the two things that always contribute to my death is venom arrow and crystal shard. doesn't matter if I play on my dk, my templar or my sorcerer it's always those two skills.

Oh and guess how you defeat a templar on a sorc?
You blink through them and use your imagination.

I don`t know what kind of players you fight, or what kind of a player you are. I was talking good players. Your experience might differ because you haven`t had the opportunity to actually duel some of them.

There are templars around who just will not lose a duel, they`ll win or just not die (resto).

I mean your last two paragraphs are like a testimony of noobishness. I want to see that sorc killing you with streak while having a crazy high eclipse uptime on him (and thus not being able to burst through regen/heals). You do know streak can be blocked, right?

Yeah, as I said, forums are not the best place to discuss pvp.

Best regards

zmanu

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

zmanu wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

s_tibob16_ESO wrote: »

IMO, it's not so much that we (templars) lack an effective form of burst damage, but rather that there is no truly effective burst damage outside of class spells at this time. Hopefully when stamina builds are fixed in the future it won't matter that we don't have competitive DPS spells as we will be able to source DPS from other lines available to all. The biggest problem is that we have no magicka regen, and our currently effective spells cost way too much magicka for what we get out of them. Another problem is that we cannot choose who to target for our single target heals, and I find that trying to heal myself in a last ditch attempt to survive often results in healing some other random ally in my proximity and thus, my death.
At launch we were worse off, I am starting to think that we may be one day able to compete with the other classes. (Yes a well built and experienced templar player can very well beat the other classes one on one, but if said templar player is up against an equally well built and skilled member of another class he/she doesn't stand a chance).

Templars do also appear to me (at least on DC) to be the most populous class, and I think this is because of the "Paladin" image they have.

This just is not true anymore. Blazing shield build counters DK and Melee NB more than very well, ask any avid dueler. Any good build with eclipse will beat a sorc or light armor/staff NB.

So, right now, templars are the most difficult opponents for templars in duel situations.

Best regards.

Do you know what's easy to counter? A blazing shield templar.

a dk do not need anything else but talons to defeat that, just keep the shield up and spam talons just 3 times or so, or even fossilize, and you can drop a standard and watch the templar burn.
A melee NB is pretty easy to counter on almost any build unless they are clever and stun you twice in a row, then you're dead, and blazing shield would not really do anything.

These days, the two things that always contribute to my death is venom arrow and crystal shard. doesn't matter if I play on my dk, my templar or my sorcerer it's always those two skills.

Oh and guess how you defeat a templar on a sorc?
You blink through them and use your imagination.

I don`t know what kind of players you fight, or what kind of a player you are. I was talking good players. Your experience might differ because you haven`t had the opportunity to actually duel some of them.

There are templars around who just will not lose a duel, they`ll win or just not die (resto).

I mean your last two paragraphs are like a testimony of noobishness. I want to see that sorc killing you with streak while having a crazy high eclipse uptime on him (and thus not being able to burst through regen/heals). You do know streak can be blocked, right?

Yeah, as I said, forums are not the best place to discuss pvp.

Best regards

I was talking as someone who regurlary sees blazing shield templars while playing on a sorcerer, dragonknight or templar.
Countering eclipse is not hard at all, the trick is not standing there and submitting to death. just blink a little further, go behind a tree or stone so that he cannot target you and just simply be faster than him, get him cced before he gets the eclipse fired. They even usually follow you and you get to blink through them right away and they really rarely block.

zmanu

zmanu wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

zmanu wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

s_tibob16_ESO wrote: »

IMO, it's not so much that we (templars) lack an effective form of burst damage, but rather that there is no truly effective burst damage outside of class spells at this time. Hopefully when stamina builds are fixed in the future it won't matter that we don't have competitive DPS spells as we will be able to source DPS from other lines available to all. The biggest problem is that we have no magicka regen, and our currently effective spells cost way too much magicka for what we get out of them. Another problem is that we cannot choose who to target for our single target heals, and I find that trying to heal myself in a last ditch attempt to survive often results in healing some other random ally in my proximity and thus, my death.
At launch we were worse off, I am starting to think that we may be one day able to compete with the other classes. (Yes a well built and experienced templar player can very well beat the other classes one on one, but if said templar player is up against an equally well built and skilled member of another class he/she doesn't stand a chance).

Templars do also appear to me (at least on DC) to be the most populous class, and I think this is because of the "Paladin" image they have.

This just is not true anymore. Blazing shield build counters DK and Melee NB more than very well, ask any avid dueler. Any good build with eclipse will beat a sorc or light armor/staff NB.

So, right now, templars are the most difficult opponents for templars in duel situations.

Best regards.

Do you know what's easy to counter? A blazing shield templar.

a dk do not need anything else but talons to defeat that, just keep the shield up and spam talons just 3 times or so, or even fossilize, and you can drop a standard and watch the templar burn.
A melee NB is pretty easy to counter on almost any build unless they are clever and stun you twice in a row, then you're dead, and blazing shield would not really do anything.

These days, the two things that always contribute to my death is venom arrow and crystal shard. doesn't matter if I play on my dk, my templar or my sorcerer it's always those two skills.

Oh and guess how you defeat a templar on a sorc?
You blink through them and use your imagination.

I don`t know what kind of players you fight, or what kind of a player you are. I was talking good players. Your experience might differ because you haven`t had the opportunity to actually duel some of them.

There are templars around who just will not lose a duel, they`ll win or just not die (resto).

I mean your last two paragraphs are like a testimony of noobishness. I want to see that sorc killing you with streak while having a crazy high eclipse uptime on him (and thus not being able to burst through regen/heals). You do know streak can be blocked, right?

Yeah, as I said, forums are not the best place to discuss pvp.

Best regards

I was talking as someone who regurlary sees blazing shield templars while playing on a sorcerer, dragonknight or templar.
Countering eclipse is not hard at all, the trick is not standing there and submitting to death. just blink a little further, go behind a tree or stone so that he cannot target you and just simply be faster than him, get him cced before he gets the eclipse fired. They even usually follow you and you get to blink through them right away and they really rarely block.

EDIT: Of course this was mostly off topic and exlipse still remain a strong tool against sorcs. My point was actually just that templars aren't quite as strong as you seem to believe, on average they're quite a bit weaker than than the other classes while taking more skill to master.