Veteran Faction Zones Going To Easy-Mode
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Alphashado✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Alphashado wrote: »These god damn casuals are destroyng every game...
Yes, you have said that exact same thing in several threads. Just for the sake of logic... has it ever occurred to you that if there was money to be made by developing a game with nothing but hardcore combat that someone would have done it by now?
While arguably true, if Zenimax had simply wanted to go just for the biggest return, they would simply have copied the same old EQ/WOW format.
They said from the start that they weren't following the crowd, the crowd currently caters mainly for casual.
I think many people underestimate the amount of people that will not like end contend being dumbed down, I also think most of those thinking they will now like the end content, still wont.
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Not very many perceive VR zones as endgame. Regardless how ZoS spins it or presents it. By definition, End-game is what you do at the end of the game. VR zones are not the end of the game. They are more like the beginning.
It takes roughly the same amount of time to go from VR1-VR5 as it does from 1-50. Same applies for VR6-VR10. That is not the end of the game. That is 2/3s of the game.
VR10-VR12 is Craglorn and anything designed to be done by lvl capped cahracters (VR12) would officially be considered end game.
Honestly though. If there were such a high demand for a "one mistake and you are dead" MMO... some aspiring gaming company would have been all over it years ago.
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Mortosk✭✭✭✭Player base: OMG, veteran content is too hard! Please nerf it!
Zenimax: We read your concerns about veteran content being too hard, so we are going to nerf it.
Player base: OMG, veteran content is not too hard! Please don't nerf it!"Now I stand, the lion before the lambs and they do not fear. They can not fear." --Arthas Menethil (aka, The Lich King)0 -
vyndral13preub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Player base: OMG, veteran content is too hard! Please nerf it!
Zenimax: We read your concerns about veteran content being too hard, so we are going to nerf it.
Player base: OMG, veteran content is not too hard! Please don't nerf it!
Random forum Poster: OMG everyone on the forum thinks the same thing!1 -
Innocente✭✭✭✭C0rp,
And I am sorry to have to correct you. I just a few days ago reinstalled ESO. When launching the first time, right there on the screen in big giant blue caps -
" P O W E R E D B Y H E R O E N G I N E"
Now, I am not suggesting that you actually nuke your game and reinstall just to see this. But I will say that ANYONE that has spent any time in SWTOR knows for a fact that the ESO code base is Hero Engine. It is beyond dispute. From the little rotating loading circle, to the NPCs with the wounded sides, to the Guild Store interface, to the way the game plays. It is all Hero Engine, to the very core.
Just because Zenimax went the route where you actually purchase the code and don't license it does not mean it is code that they wrote. Sure, they have been modifying it, but why do you think it takes so long for them to make even the smallest change? And when they do, it breaks half a dozen other things?
One final point, do you really think that they used Hero Engine in alpha and then, in a few short months wrote their own custom in-house engine? Really? That is beyond absurd.
ESO is most certainly a Hero Engine game.Edited by Innocente on July 5, 2014 6:22PM5 -
AreoHotah✭✭✭✭Alphashado wrote: »These god damn casuals are destroyng every game...
Yes, you have said that exact same thing in several threads. Just for the sake of logic... has it ever occurred to you that if there was money to be made by developing a game with nothing but hardcore combat that someone would have done it by now?
Then ask for a god damn difficulty slider. Why do i have to play easy mode? I'm paying the sub as well as you. Get some skill...
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Alphashado✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Alphashado wrote: »These god damn casuals are destroyng every game...
Yes, you have said that exact same thing in several threads. Just for the sake of logic... has it ever occurred to you that if there was money to be made by developing a game with nothing but hardcore combat that someone would have done it by now?
Then ask for a god damn difficulty slider. Why do i have to play easy mode? I'm paying the sub as well as you. Get some skill...
o.O How enlightening. How engrossing. How insightful and original. This is the best response ever. If there was an award for post of the year, this is it. Brilliant!
I applaud you sir for being the pride of the human race.
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AreoHotah✭✭✭✭Alphashado wrote: »Alphashado wrote: »These god damn casuals are destroyng every game...
Yes, you have said that exact same thing in several threads. Just for the sake of logic... has it ever occurred to you that if there was money to be made by developing a game with nothing but hardcore combat that someone would have done it by now?
Then ask for a god damn difficulty slider. Why do i have to play easy mode? I'm paying the sub as well as you. Get some skill...
o.O How enlightening. How engrossing. How insightful and original. This is the best response ever. If there was an award for post of the year, this is it. Brilliant!
I applaud you sir for being the pride of the human race.
Moderator Edit: Edited quote from moderated post.
Like i have time to write something more enlightening and original for likes of you.
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Alphashado✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Another brilliant summary! I could sit here all day and just read your well scripted insightful feedback!
/sarcasm off- The only one QQing around here is you kiddo. I can play just fine. I want a populated game though. I want to play an MMO with other people in the same zone as me. VR 9 zones are a ghost town.
Maybe if you did something other than constantly rail against and insult casual gamers all day long you might get better responses.
Good day.
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AreoHotah✭✭✭✭So you think vr zones are deserted cuz it's to hard?
vr zones are deserted cuz the loot sucks, the classes are unbalanced, it ruins lore, it's a long grind with almost 0 reward. make it worthwile and i bet no one will complain about difficulty. ever thought about that??
so yeah, let's just remove the ONLY thing that makes ppl like me playing vr zone, the challenge. 1-50 had no challenge but it was fun story wise.
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Alphashado✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Is that all you can do? Insult people? Does it make you feel good on the inside? Do you feel big and powerful by trying to make other people feel bad? People like you are of zero interest to me. Of course I have considered all of those things and most intelligent people have. I do not consider myself a casual player. Far from it. I am a pretty dam good gamer in fact. Not sure how many times I have to say this to you before it sinks in. Go rip the wings off a fly. It's probably been a few minutes since the last time you did it.
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enem✭Sadly, Zenimax did not write the game engine code (it is Hero Engine; same as SWTOR), so they really have no skill onboard to make such in-depth changes. Modifying the difficulty is about the best they can do.
not entirely true. pretty sure ZOS have a full license of the Hero Engine meaning they get the source code. there's no way this game is the vanilla engine with elderscrolls skinning, in fact no company would risk their property using a game engine off the shelf that they cannot modify directly.
don't worry they will have developers that can change much more than just the difficulty, it's whether or not this is a priority for them.
they could make it harder for larger groups by altering the mob tactics based on the number of surrounding or participating players in the instance. perhaps give mobs some defensive options or cc (or healing) that they only use when facing higher numbers of opponents. this would let solo players deal with groups of bad guys, and if others join in the fight it gets increasingly difficult.
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born2beagator✭✭✭✭LOL. Areo is talking about QQ.....when he is doing it himself. Been a very entertaining board watching the rage from the guys that loved to look down their noses at people that they deem "casuals"
Now the casuals have won, and their ego has been threatened,2 -
hamon✭✭✭✭✭
✭AlienDiplomat wrote: »"Levels 80 to 90 are too hard. Make everything stay 80 while I level to 90 so I can faceroll without thinking or changing my abilities or developing any skill so I can pretend to be a hero."
Welcome to World of Elder Scrolls Craft:
The worst decision in ESO history.
honestly you're such a drama queen it's getting funny to watch you tantrum endlessly
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Jankstar✭✭✭1) its soooooo slow to gain vet ranks. you have to complete everything in one zone just to get to the next rank. and that is just for the first 5 VR. starting from V5 onwards even doing everything would get you close to the next rank. i like to quest usually but Vet content made me hate it and love grinding instead.
One vet level feel about like gaining 10 regular levels, so if you keep that perspective it will be more fun for you. You will be about vet five at the end of silver and vet ten at the end of gold.2) you get much better rewards from the craglorn grind. its very similar to farming public dungeons in that i can get lot of blues and purples. very rarely would i get a blue from the vet quests and never any purples.
Dungeons provide the higher quality drops and questing provides higher xp. This is true at lower levels also, with bosses giving the best stuff. I do think that experience for exploration should still be an option for vet levels. Craglorn has been problematic, but the drops have been pulled in line with the lower level dungeons. (Farming bosses at low levels before the timer was much more profitable. Also, get rid of boss timers in multiboss dungeons!)3) storm atronachs, gargoyles, and other mobs are just too powerful. hope you love dying because you will do that alot in vet. you go from decimating mobs to getting decimated. everything is faster, hits harder, and is tougher to kill.
I love dying it makes me stronger
You do have to relearn your character at vet levels. If you don't dodge roll, interrupt, use synergies, and block you will die. The low levels didn't teach you this, so now you must learn. It is like a new game added to your old one, pushing your character further, pushing you further.4) because of 1-3 you don't see alot of people in vet zones. prepare to just accept the fact that group of mobs are going to kill you and try to avoid them or run thru them as far as you can before they kill you. again you are going to die alot. bring stacks of soul gems.
I would buy a stack of soul gems so you can learn how to play vet levels. They are cheap, I see them for 5k a stack all the time. Also I wouldn't run through mobs unless you just want to maximize you magicka by fighting more than just three at a time. (I try and fight 6 melee dudes at a time because it is more effective time wise)
When dealing with a group, kill the healer first, then take out mages. Reflective spells are your friends when dealing with ranged mobs. Cast your buffs before engaging. Kite the melee dudes while you deal with the others guys. Don't stand in red, in fact don't stand keep moving.
Invest in yourself and grow that play skill. You can play and win at vet levels, I believe in you.2 -
AreoHotah✭✭✭✭born2beagator wrote: »LOL. Areo is talking about QQ.....when he is doing it himself. Been a very entertaining board watching the rage from the guys that loved to look down their noses at people that they deem "casuals"
Now the casuals have won, and their ego has been threatened,
Yes the casuals always win. Cuz you are in such a large number that everytime you die more than 3 times in game you storm the forums to cry that dificulty is too hard and the devs have no choice but to listen to you.
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Unless you skipped V1-10 content and joined one of the huge groups and did AOE spam with so many folks that it didn't matter if you stood in the red - the mobs went down so fast that nobody died.If you don't dodge roll, interrupt, use synergies, and block you will die. The low levels didn't teach you this, so now you must learn. It is like a new game added to your old one, pushing your character further, pushing you further.
Yep, that taught them their class! ignore the red, we got the healers! Just AOE everything down because we got so many folks, damage incoming doesn't matter!Edited by Sihnfahl on July 9, 2014 11:57PM0 -
Jankstar✭✭✭I guess if that is the case you don't need to learn how to play, which is fine play how you want. I soloed a dark anchor this week and it was not as hard as a double healer groups use to be at vet levels. I guess for challenge I am going to take on some of the group dungeons, or roll a nightblade 2
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Unfortunately, that's how all too many V12s, from my observation, got there.I guess if that is the case you don't need to learn how to play, which is fine play how you want.
I quested through Silver and Gold using one of the more ... lackluster specs.
V10, go to Craglorn, see a number of V2-4s running in a large mob at anomalies ... come back the next day, see them still running around in the mob a few VR levels higher... no questing.
Okay, so they can run trials sooner than a group that took the time to go through Silver and Gold. But they definitely don't know their class. Only the AOE spam and the expected incoming heals.0 -
I don't know what all the whining about I got complacent last night with the new difficulty and got killed yes its not hard anymore but you still have to have a little bit of caution its a great first fix and you know what for the first time in weeks there are people grouping and doing dolems and dungeons imagine that2
