Why aren't the managers and DEV's in panic mode?

hamon

I have came to the conclusion that there is one clear reason why ZOS arn't in panic mode and ringing the changes in house. to turn around what seems obvious to anyone is a ship that needs a change of direction or at best some pretty hefty maintenance.

the problems

i think it's safe to say there are glaring and pretty urgent problems needing addressed.

1. balance issues
2. stability
3. end game
4. pvp ( emperor farming, guesting, lag)
   
   Now ordinarily you would expect that when faced with all this and such a huge budget spent, things would be moving at pace to fix the issues. whether that took the form of hiring/ firing staff to effect change. massive amounts of customer care communication to reassure the customers that they are bending over backwards to try to keep them happy.
   
   But the response seems slow and minimal to me.
   
   I think this comes down to one glaring reason. ZOS are betting the house on the console release. The resources and expertise devoted to making it work are what is draining the resources away from the live game.
   
   who can blame them as a business model. They are effectively getting a second release to gain a whole new market. it makes sense that if even half their focus is directed towards consoles it will slow down any fixes and increase the chance for mistakes to slip through the net onto our version.
   
   this is exactly what we are experiencing imo.
   i'm not offering and judgments about consoles or entering into any flaming of console gamers etc.. I just think it's the only reason that makes sense as to why They are allowing this game to be in the state it is without really hitting the panic button at ZOS in order to make this game better in a timely fashion.

Selique

Because theres nothing to panic about? Duh. Sky isn't falling. THings will get fixed. Time heals all wounds.

hamon

so you think its all good and the game is playing better now than at release? apart from quest fixes I would argue its been going backwards since even beta.

crislevin

Is there any successful console MMO out there? I am unsure.

ZoS is running a business. They didn't show any purchasing/sub data so I can't guess too much. With $60 a pop, they can sell half a mil copy and be happy with direct purchase revenue.

Fairydragon3

you mean to tell me that the normal things that are usually off for the first year for an MMO are not FIXED?!

hamon

crislevin wrote: »

Is there any successful console MMO out there? I am unsure.

ZoS is running a business. They didn't show any purchasing/sub data so I can't guess too much. With $60 a pop, they can sell half a mil copy and be happy with direct purchase revenue.

i can agree with this , in terms of money they probably already broke even. and then if it even tanks on consoels it will still just be all profit. It will be a shame if they just see it that way tho and not as a long term potential winner.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO

crislevin wrote: »

Is there any successful console MMO out there? I am unsure..

FFXI was originally released on PS2 only and just celebrated its 12th birthday.

FFXIV has both console and PC versions and is currently very successful after V2's launch.

Your point would be?

Zebug

maybe their subscription numbers are stronger than what us forum folk think they are. Personally, whatever the sub numbers are, there doesn't seem to be a lot of people playing at least in VR zones...I'm about 5 quests away from finishing VR5 Reapers March and I've literally seen 3 people in the zone.

So maybe the subs are still high and/or everyone has rerolled alts and are in low level areas and hence it's not as bad as perceived

Selique

Fairydragon3 wrote: »

you mean to tell me that the normal things that are usually off for the first year for an MMO are not FIXED?!

This. I've played enough MMOs to know, that:

A.) People on the forums will find any small thing they hate and complain about (Be it legitimate or not) and people will begin to all start crying doom and gloom

B.) Running an MMO is TIME consuming, and fixing things can take a long time. Bugs that you and I see as small (and should be fixed easily) are not always so simple. They require loads of time to fix.

C.) If there was something to panic about, Zenimax/Bethesda wouldn't be spending loads of money on things like QuakeCon and such.

ALL MMOs of ALL TIME have started off the EXACT same way in terms of things being broken, servers being crap, and people crying doom. There is NOT ONE MMO you can tell me that started its first few months without the same or similar troubles ESO is having.

That being said, in a year or so, everything will be different, and people will still complain. It is the nature of MMO games. Panic? Please. Get over it.

hamon

Fairydragon3 wrote: »

you mean to tell me that the normal things that are usually off for the first year for an MMO are not FIXED?!

yes a nice glib response. but to me with the exception of AOC i dont remember anything feeling like it was going backwards after release. Even AOC which was clearly released too early and broken. you got the sense that that funcom was in panic mode at least breaking their necks to fix it. It just took them too long after release and the damage was done.

with this i feel like its just going backwards. pvp played better in beta than now, thats a pretty bad state of affairs.

Zebug

large scale PvP might be the ONLY thing that has gone backwards, there is a lot more to the game than PvP...I think it's been the same, was laggy with large scale battles in beta and throughout, so I just do quests and hence small fights in PvP and have a blast doing it.

PvE is many steps ahead of where they were at launch

Selique

hamon wrote: »

Fairydragon3 wrote: »

you mean to tell me that the normal things that are usually off for the first year for an MMO are not FIXED?!

yes a nice glib response. but to me with the exception of AOC i dont remember anything feeling like it was going backwards after release. Even AOC which was clearly released too early and broken. you got the sense that that funcom was in panic mode at least breaking their necks to fix it. It just took them too long after release and the damage was done.

with this i feel like its just going backwards. pvp played better in beta than now, thats a pretty bad state of affairs.

His glib response is expanded on in the post below it .

hamon

Selique wrote: »

Fairydragon3 wrote: »

you mean to tell me that the normal things that are usually off for the first year for an MMO are not FIXED?!

ALL MMOs of ALL TIME have started off the EXACT same way in terms of things being broken, servers being crap, and people crying doom. There is NOT ONE MMO you can tell me that started its first few months without the same or similar troubles ESO is having.

i would argue that WoW , Eq2 , SWG , GW2, rift, all released in as good a state if not better than ESO.
In saying that i count ESO as a pretty smooth release.

However the real diffrence is that while every other MMO seemed to be moving forward after release ESO is heading backwards.

wrlifeboil

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

crislevin wrote: »

Is there any successful console MMO out there? I am unsure..

FFXI was originally released on PS2 only and just celebrated its 12th birthday.

FFXIV has both console and PC versions and is currently very successful after V2's launch.

Your point would be?

I didn't know Zenimax was owned by a Japanese corporation.

Soloeus

Why should they worry? They should instead be planning and they can't work and plan with a good mind if they are worrying and aggravated. Or have you never worked with other people before?

Selique

hamon wrote: »

Selique wrote: »

Fairydragon3 wrote: »

you mean to tell me that the normal things that are usually off for the first year for an MMO are not FIXED?!

ALL MMOs of ALL TIME have started off the EXACT same way in terms of things being broken, servers being crap, and people crying doom. There is NOT ONE MMO you can tell me that started its first few months without the same or similar troubles ESO is having.

i would argue that WoW , Eq2 , SWG , GW2, rift, all released in as good a state if not better than ESO.
In saying that i count ESO as a pretty smooth release.

However the real diffrence is that while every other MMO seemed to be moving forward after release ESO is heading backwards.

I would argue that all of those games had forums that screamed as much as these ones. You can ask anyone who started them what it was like, and while the actual causes of the problems may be different, the end result is the same: People were not happy with things.

I can tell you for a fact, SWG did not start off as smooth or in better shape than ESO (And SWG is and was my favorite MMO of all time. I played it the entire 8 years it was out, from beta till sunset). So, that is one example of yours I can knock out there.

As for the other games, I'm sure there are people here who could tell you that they did not start out any different than any other MMO that has ever launched.

The whole point I'm trying to make is this: Everyone knows the first few months of a game's release are the rockiest. Everyone knows that in time, (If ESO is really the style of game you enjoy playing) it will get better.

As for "going backwards" that is just an opinion. I see nothing but forward momentum. Some bumps in the road, sure. Some big old potholes even, but nothing is going "backwards" as you say. At least, in MY opinion. So don't try to pass that off as fact.

ebondeath

I don't share OP's concerns or speculations, but this thread made me think of this:

Nazon_Katts

Keeping their calm is the best they can do, panicking will only lead you into an even worse situation. This shouldn't stop them from talking about problems, however. Otherwise they'll just come across as ignorant and indifferent and their 'keeping the calm' leads to others panicking.

hamon

Selique wrote: »

hamon wrote: »

Selique wrote: »

Fairydragon3 wrote: »

you mean to tell me that the normal things that are usually off for the first year for an MMO are not FIXED?!

ALL MMOs of ALL TIME have started off the EXACT same way in terms of things being broken, servers being crap, and people crying doom. There is NOT ONE MMO you can tell me that started its first few months without the same or similar troubles ESO is having.

i would argue that WoW , Eq2 , SWG , GW2, rift, all released in as good a state if not better than ESO.
In saying that i count ESO as a pretty smooth release.

However the real diffrence is that while every other MMO seemed to be moving forward after release ESO is heading backwards.

I would argue that all of those games had forums that screamed as much as these ones. You can ask anyone who started them what it was like, and while the actual causes of the problems may be different, the end result is the same: People were not happy with things.

I can tell you for a fact, SWG did not start off as smooth or in better shape than ESO (And SWG is and was my favorite MMO of all time. I played it the entire 8 years it was out, from beta till sunset). So, that is one example of yours I can knock out there.

As for the other games, I'm sure there are people here who could tell you that they did not start out any different than any other MMO that has ever launched.

The whole point I'm trying to make is this: Everyone knows the first few months of a game's release are the rockiest. Everyone knows that in time, (If ESO is really the style of game you enjoy playing) it will get better.

As for "going backwards" that is just an opinion. I see nothing but forward momentum. Some bumps in the road, sure. Some big old potholes even, but nothing is going "backwards" as you say. At least, in MY opinion. So don't try to pass that off as fact.

well i never noticed any major problems with SWG when it launched. and i played it for about a year.

and as far as ESO isconcerned PVP has went backwards without a doubt.

I could play in beta and aside from lag in huge battles which is difficult and has proved to be so for every game that attempted it to master. i could play all day with no issue.

now we have the FPS grinding to halt or the random "unknown error" disconnects within 30 mins of playing usually.

before that the grouping bug where folk leaving or joining a raid in cyrodill caused lag spikes.. again never happened in beta.

hamon

Nazon_Katts wrote: »

Keeping their calm is the best they can do, panicking will only lead you into an even worse situation. This shouldn't stop them from talking about problems, however. Otherwise they'll just come across as ignorant and indifferent and their 'keeping the calm' leads to others panicking.

yes i'm not advocating panic per'se . I was coining a phrase that usually means spurred into immediate and noticable action as opposed to complete panic.

Fairydragon3

ebondeath wrote: »

I don't share OP's concerns or speculations, but this thread made me think of this:

HAHAHAHA, WHAT IS MY NAME? WE THREW THAT OUT!!!!

Selique

hamon wrote: »

Selique wrote: »

hamon wrote: »

Selique wrote: »

Fairydragon3 wrote: »

you mean to tell me that the normal things that are usually off for the first year for an MMO are not FIXED?!

ALL MMOs of ALL TIME have started off the EXACT same way in terms of things being broken, servers being crap, and people crying doom. There is NOT ONE MMO you can tell me that started its first few months without the same or similar troubles ESO is having.

i would argue that WoW , Eq2 , SWG , GW2, rift, all released in as good a state if not better than ESO.
In saying that i count ESO as a pretty smooth release.

However the real diffrence is that while every other MMO seemed to be moving forward after release ESO is heading backwards.

I would argue that all of those games had forums that screamed as much as these ones. You can ask anyone who started them what it was like, and while the actual causes of the problems may be different, the end result is the same: People were not happy with things.

I can tell you for a fact, SWG did not start off as smooth or in better shape than ESO (And SWG is and was my favorite MMO of all time. I played it the entire 8 years it was out, from beta till sunset). So, that is one example of yours I can knock out there.

As for the other games, I'm sure there are people here who could tell you that they did not start out any different than any other MMO that has ever launched.

The whole point I'm trying to make is this: Everyone knows the first few months of a game's release are the rockiest. Everyone knows that in time, (If ESO is really the style of game you enjoy playing) it will get better.

As for "going backwards" that is just an opinion. I see nothing but forward momentum. Some bumps in the road, sure. Some big old potholes even, but nothing is going "backwards" as you say. At least, in MY opinion. So don't try to pass that off as fact.

well i never noticed any major problems with SWG when it launched. and i played it for about a year.

and as far as ESO isconcerned PVP has went backwards without a doubt.

I could play in beta and aside from lag in huge battles which is difficult and has proved to be so for every game that attempted it to master. i could play all day with no issue.

now we have the FPS grinding to halt or the random "unknown error" disconnects within 30 mins of playing usually.

before that the grouping bug where folk leaving or joining a raid in cyrodill caused lag spikes.. again never happened in beta.

Oh, SWG.... Its problems..... Like flying bushes.... No vehicles, no space combat (And I'm talking within the first 6 months). Class imbalance that made it so only Doc/TKM was the only viable class for anything lol SWG's class imbalance (Which lasted a long time) would put ESO to shame... It was a wreck. But it was my wreck and I loved it!

Listen, I know the FPS troubles well, it effects me EVERYWHERE, not just Cyrodiil. I can see how this problem would make you frustrated, as it does me, but its not "backwards". What was removed? What did they take away? Nothing. Its mechanical issues with the system. It could be a combination of you and them.

Have you submitted a bug report? Tried adjusting your settings on your computer and In-Game? You can't just assume that, because its posted here in the forums its all them. Try doing something before complaining the ENTIRE game is going backwards.

If you *have* done those things, then you can only wait until they are able to track down the problem and fix it. Its not a big deal, all games go through this.

BBSooner

If panicking is a solution to you for any situation then I'd reevaluate your process for overcoming obstacles. If ESO was or wasn't performing as well as they'd like, panicking isn't the appropriate response. I'm glad they don't appear to be panicked.

As for moving backwards, I'd strongly disagree.

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO

Recent messages from the community managers have been along the lines "rest assured that we are working around the clock to fix this", even though they have been pretty calm and low-key. I don't think I would be better off if I knew their panic, or lack thereof, in any more detail.

Dayv

They aren't publicly announcing that they are in panic mode but I imagine things aren't all cosy and rosy within the walls of ZOS towers. Rolling out 1.2.3 with woefully inadequate testing looks exactly like the sort of thing a company in panic mode would do.

hamon

Selique wrote: »

hamon wrote: »

Selique wrote: »

hamon wrote: »

Selique wrote: »

Fairydragon3 wrote: »

you mean to tell me that the normal things that are usually off for the first year for an MMO are not FIXED?!

ALL MMOs of ALL TIME have started off the EXACT same way in terms of things being broken, servers being crap, and people crying doom. There is NOT ONE MMO you can tell me that started its first few months without the same or similar troubles ESO is having.

i would argue that WoW , Eq2 , SWG , GW2, rift, all released in as good a state if not better than ESO.
In saying that i count ESO as a pretty smooth release.

However the real diffrence is that while every other MMO seemed to be moving forward after release ESO is heading backwards.

I would argue that all of those games had forums that screamed as much as these ones. You can ask anyone who started them what it was like, and while the actual causes of the problems may be different, the end result is the same: People were not happy with things.

I can tell you for a fact, SWG did not start off as smooth or in better shape than ESO (And SWG is and was my favorite MMO of all time. I played it the entire 8 years it was out, from beta till sunset). So, that is one example of yours I can knock out there.

As for the other games, I'm sure there are people here who could tell you that they did not start out any different than any other MMO that has ever launched.

The whole point I'm trying to make is this: Everyone knows the first few months of a game's release are the rockiest. Everyone knows that in time, (If ESO is really the style of game you enjoy playing) it will get better.

As for "going backwards" that is just an opinion. I see nothing but forward momentum. Some bumps in the road, sure. Some big old potholes even, but nothing is going "backwards" as you say. At least, in MY opinion. So don't try to pass that off as fact.

well i never noticed any major problems with SWG when it launched. and i played it for about a year.

and as far as ESO isconcerned PVP has went backwards without a doubt.

I could play in beta and aside from lag in huge battles which is difficult and has proved to be so for every game that attempted it to master. i could play all day with no issue.

now we have the FPS grinding to halt or the random "unknown error" disconnects within 30 mins of playing usually.

before that the grouping bug where folk leaving or joining a raid in cyrodill caused lag spikes.. again never happened in beta.

Oh, SWG.... Its problems..... Like flying bushes.... No vehicles, no space combat (And I'm talking within the first 6 months). Class imbalance that made it so only Doc/TKM was the only viable class for anything lol SWG's class imbalance (Which lasted a long time) would put ESO to shame... It was a wreck. But it was my wreck and I loved it!

Listen, I know the FPS troubles well, it effects me EVERYWHERE, not just Cyrodiil. I can see how this problem would make you frustrated, as it does me, but its not "backwards". What was removed? What did they take away? Nothing. Its mechanical issues with the system. It could be a combination of you and them.

Have you submitted a bug report? Tried adjusting your settings on your computer and In-Game? You can't just assume that, because its posted here in the forums its all them. Try doing something before complaining the ENTIRE game is going backwards.

If you *have* done those things, then you can only wait until they are able to track down the problem and fix it. Its not a big deal, all games go through this.

well if the game is playing fine on my PC then they change stuff and suddenly its not. I NEVER start messing with my rig to fix a problem that isn't there.

and it was running fine for long enough. they just seem to break their own game with every patch more and more.

they broke an already difficuly vet mode with their buffing of everything accidently.

they left completely broken things in game far to long , Duping, batswarm spam, caltrops etc etc.

they break more stuff next patch, silver shards.

and cyrodill has completely regressed to a state thats worse than beta.

how can that not be going backwards?

Fairydragon3

hamon wrote: »

Selique wrote: »

hamon wrote: »

Selique wrote: »

Fairydragon3 wrote: »

you mean to tell me that the normal things that are usually off for the first year for an MMO are not FIXED?!

ALL MMOs of ALL TIME have started off the EXACT same way in terms of things being broken, servers being crap, and people crying doom. There is NOT ONE MMO you can tell me that started its first few months without the same or similar troubles ESO is having.

i would argue that WoW , Eq2 , SWG , GW2, rift, all released in as good a state if not better than ESO.
In saying that i count ESO as a pretty smooth release.

However the real diffrence is that while every other MMO seemed to be moving forward after release ESO is heading backwards.

I would argue that all of those games had forums that screamed as much as these ones. You can ask anyone who started them what it was like, and while the actual causes of the problems may be different, the end result is the same: People were not happy with things.

I can tell you for a fact, SWG did not start off as smooth or in better shape than ESO (And SWG is and was my favorite MMO of all time. I played it the entire 8 years it was out, from beta till sunset). So, that is one example of yours I can knock out there.

As for the other games, I'm sure there are people here who could tell you that they did not start out any different than any other MMO that has ever launched.

The whole point I'm trying to make is this: Everyone knows the first few months of a game's release are the rockiest. Everyone knows that in time, (If ESO is really the style of game you enjoy playing) it will get better.

As for "going backwards" that is just an opinion. I see nothing but forward momentum. Some bumps in the road, sure. Some big old potholes even, but nothing is going "backwards" as you say. At least, in MY opinion. So don't try to pass that off as fact.

well i never noticed any major problems with SWG when it launched. and i played it for about a year.

and as far as ESO isconcerned PVP has went backwards without a doubt.

I could play in beta and aside from lag in huge battles which is difficult and has proved to be so for every game that attempted it to master. i could play all day with no issue.

now we have the FPS grinding to halt or the random "unknown error" disconnects within 30 mins of playing usually.

before that the grouping bug where folk leaving or joining a raid in cyrodill caused lag spikes.. again never happened in beta.

I just don't agree that this is back wards, backwards would mean, welp something disastrous happened so now we are taking down the servers for a few months.

This stuff can happen in the development process, watch the video I posted for some idea of what i mean.

they are using a different design than most MMO's so to compare them to other development times is a bit unreasonable. I was also playing SWG from the beginning, however, that was my dark days of dial up, so i had many many issues, and cannot make an accurate comment. also never heard of customer support for games at that time lol. despite these issue, still a great game, still many hours of fighting lag in space, and still never regret it, same thing with eso.....but i do wish there was space, PEW PEW BOOM rrrrrRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrr cheeerrrBOOOOOOOMMMM

Selique

hamon wrote: »

Selique wrote: »

hamon wrote: »

Selique wrote: »

hamon wrote: »

Selique wrote: »

Fairydragon3 wrote: »

you mean to tell me that the normal things that are usually off for the first year for an MMO are not FIXED?!

ALL MMOs of ALL TIME have started off the EXACT same way in terms of things being broken, servers being crap, and people crying doom. There is NOT ONE MMO you can tell me that started its first few months without the same or similar troubles ESO is having.

i would argue that WoW , Eq2 , SWG , GW2, rift, all released in as good a state if not better than ESO.
In saying that i count ESO as a pretty smooth release.

However the real diffrence is that while every other MMO seemed to be moving forward after release ESO is heading backwards.

I would argue that all of those games had forums that screamed as much as these ones. You can ask anyone who started them what it was like, and while the actual causes of the problems may be different, the end result is the same: People were not happy with things.

I can tell you for a fact, SWG did not start off as smooth or in better shape than ESO (And SWG is and was my favorite MMO of all time. I played it the entire 8 years it was out, from beta till sunset). So, that is one example of yours I can knock out there.

As for the other games, I'm sure there are people here who could tell you that they did not start out any different than any other MMO that has ever launched.

The whole point I'm trying to make is this: Everyone knows the first few months of a game's release are the rockiest. Everyone knows that in time, (If ESO is really the style of game you enjoy playing) it will get better.

As for "going backwards" that is just an opinion. I see nothing but forward momentum. Some bumps in the road, sure. Some big old potholes even, but nothing is going "backwards" as you say. At least, in MY opinion. So don't try to pass that off as fact.

well i never noticed any major problems with SWG when it launched. and i played it for about a year.

and as far as ESO isconcerned PVP has went backwards without a doubt.

I could play in beta and aside from lag in huge battles which is difficult and has proved to be so for every game that attempted it to master. i could play all day with no issue.

now we have the FPS grinding to halt or the random "unknown error" disconnects within 30 mins of playing usually.

before that the grouping bug where folk leaving or joining a raid in cyrodill caused lag spikes.. again never happened in beta.

Oh, SWG.... Its problems..... Like flying bushes.... No vehicles, no space combat (And I'm talking within the first 6 months). Class imbalance that made it so only Doc/TKM was the only viable class for anything lol SWG's class imbalance (Which lasted a long time) would put ESO to shame... It was a wreck. But it was my wreck and I loved it!

Listen, I know the FPS troubles well, it effects me EVERYWHERE, not just Cyrodiil. I can see how this problem would make you frustrated, as it does me, but its not "backwards". What was removed? What did they take away? Nothing. Its mechanical issues with the system. It could be a combination of you and them.

Have you submitted a bug report? Tried adjusting your settings on your computer and In-Game? You can't just assume that, because its posted here in the forums its all them. Try doing something before complaining the ENTIRE game is going backwards.

If you *have* done those things, then you can only wait until they are able to track down the problem and fix it. Its not a big deal, all games go through this.

well if the game is playing fine on my PC then they change stuff and suddenly its not. I NEVER start messing with my rig to fix a problem that isn't there.

and it was running fine for long enough. they just seem to break their own game with every patch more and more.

they broke an already difficuly vet mode with their buffing of everything accidently.

they left completely broken things in game far to long , Duping, batswarm spam, caltrops etc etc.

they break more stuff next patch, silver shards.

and cyrodill has completely regressed to a state thats worse than beta.

how can that not be going backwards?

And how is it different than any other MMO?

Hilgara

People assume the furore that happens on these forums is gamewide. Its not. This is the complaints department. its where people come to complain. Could be that ZOS aren't panicking because they can see the real stats, while some here pluck percentages out of thin air (95% have left the game for example. Or most people don't like the difficulty)
If you start a post complaining about lag you will attract others who have the same problem. Pretty soon you will have a thread full of people with the same problem. Is it now game wide? No just everyone in that thread has an FPS problem.

hamon

Selique wrote: »

hamon wrote: »

Selique wrote: »

hamon wrote: »

Selique wrote: »

hamon wrote: »

Selique wrote: »

Fairydragon3 wrote: »

you mean to tell me that the normal things that are usually off for the first year for an MMO are not FIXED?!

ALL MMOs of ALL TIME have started off the EXACT same way in terms of things being broken, servers being crap, and people crying doom. There is NOT ONE MMO you can tell me that started its first few months without the same or similar troubles ESO is having.

i would argue that WoW , Eq2 , SWG , GW2, rift, all released in as good a state if not better than ESO.
In saying that i count ESO as a pretty smooth release.

However the real diffrence is that while every other MMO seemed to be moving forward after release ESO is heading backwards.

I would argue that all of those games had forums that screamed as much as these ones. You can ask anyone who started them what it was like, and while the actual causes of the problems may be different, the end result is the same: People were not happy with things.

I can tell you for a fact, SWG did not start off as smooth or in better shape than ESO (And SWG is and was my favorite MMO of all time. I played it the entire 8 years it was out, from beta till sunset). So, that is one example of yours I can knock out there.

As for the other games, I'm sure there are people here who could tell you that they did not start out any different than any other MMO that has ever launched.

The whole point I'm trying to make is this: Everyone knows the first few months of a game's release are the rockiest. Everyone knows that in time, (If ESO is really the style of game you enjoy playing) it will get better.

As for "going backwards" that is just an opinion. I see nothing but forward momentum. Some bumps in the road, sure. Some big old potholes even, but nothing is going "backwards" as you say. At least, in MY opinion. So don't try to pass that off as fact.

well i never noticed any major problems with SWG when it launched. and i played it for about a year.

and as far as ESO isconcerned PVP has went backwards without a doubt.

I could play in beta and aside from lag in huge battles which is difficult and has proved to be so for every game that attempted it to master. i could play all day with no issue.

now we have the FPS grinding to halt or the random "unknown error" disconnects within 30 mins of playing usually.

before that the grouping bug where folk leaving or joining a raid in cyrodill caused lag spikes.. again never happened in beta.

Oh, SWG.... Its problems..... Like flying bushes.... No vehicles, no space combat (And I'm talking within the first 6 months). Class imbalance that made it so only Doc/TKM was the only viable class for anything lol SWG's class imbalance (Which lasted a long time) would put ESO to shame... It was a wreck. But it was my wreck and I loved it!

Listen, I know the FPS troubles well, it effects me EVERYWHERE, not just Cyrodiil. I can see how this problem would make you frustrated, as it does me, but its not "backwards". What was removed? What did they take away? Nothing. Its mechanical issues with the system. It could be a combination of you and them.

Have you submitted a bug report? Tried adjusting your settings on your computer and In-Game? You can't just assume that, because its posted here in the forums its all them. Try doing something before complaining the ENTIRE game is going backwards.

If you *have* done those things, then you can only wait until they are able to track down the problem and fix it. Its not a big deal, all games go through this.

well if the game is playing fine on my PC then they change stuff and suddenly its not. I NEVER start messing with my rig to fix a problem that isn't there.

and it was running fine for long enough. they just seem to break their own game with every patch more and more.

they broke an already difficuly vet mode with their buffing of everything accidently.

they left completely broken things in game far to long , Duping, batswarm spam, caltrops etc etc.

they break more stuff next patch, silver shards.

and cyrodill has completely regressed to a state thats worse than beta.

how can that not be going backwards?

And how is it different than any other MMO?

its diffrent because in my experience after release in every other MMO they fixed stuff with every patch progressively , as opposed to break things

hamon

Hilgara wrote: »

People assume the furore that happens on these forums is gamewide. Its not. This is the complaints department. its where people come to complain. Could be that ZOS aren't panicking because they can see the real stats, while some here pluck percentages out of thin air (95% have left the game for example. Or most people don't like the difficulty)
If you start a post complaining about lag you will attract others who have the same problem. Pretty soon you will have a thread full of people with the same problem. Is it now game wide? No just everyone in that thread has an FPS problem.

if the forums are simply the complaints department as you assert. why are you here?... oh yes you live here to complain about those who complain... i was forgetting