VR5 Purple recipe prices out of hand, should be changed to quest or end game raid drop

Gizzarduk

Like the title says, I am all for rare items, but on EU server only one I have seen went for over 1million! That's just insane money, surely the improvement mats/Imperial Motif should be rarer and more expensive. Any Devs care to respond to this? Not seen any posts for a long time in the crafting section..

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Maverick827

The rarity of these items only promotes gold buying. Obviously this isn't something you want, Zenimax.

I've always been against the means by which you acquire crafting knowledge in this game. It's all so very theme-parky MMO circa 2005. I would have liked to have had a system in which I had to undergo long crafting quest chains to lean motifs and recipes instead of just finding them in a nightstand in a random building.

While it's too late now (you can't exactly take away people's motifs and recipes), perhaps you could implement these quests as an alternate way of obtaining motifs and recipes. There would be the quick and unsure way of obtaining them (trying to buy them), or the long but definite way (quests).

Gizzarduk

Maverick827 wrote: »

The rarity of these items only promotes gold buying. Obviously this isn't something you want, Zenimax.

I've always been against the means by which you acquire crafting knowledge in this game. It's all so very theme-parky MMO circa 2005. I would have liked to have had a system in which I had to undergo long crafting quest chains to lean motifs and recipes instead of just finding them in a nightstand in a random building.

While it's too late now (you can't exactly take away people's motifs and recipes), perhaps you could implement these quests as an alternate way of obtaining motifs and recipes. There would be the quick and unsure way of obtaining them (trying to buy them), or the long but definite way (quests).

Much better way IMO, heck even if they are raid boss drops that would be annoying but better. This system that promotes logging in and out for hours though really isn't very good, and as Maverick said will promote gold buying/selling.

Karmix

You don't have to get it. It's not mandatory. You can always buy a ton of it and resell it if you want. You do not need these recipes to progress lol. I like it's hard. At least something in the game is worth working for.

Please leave as is Zenimax.

Gizzarduk

Karmix wrote: »

You don't have to get it. It's not mandatory. You can always buy a ton of it and resell it if you want. You do not need these recipes to progress lol. I like it's hard. At least something in the game is worth working for.

Please leave as is Zenimax.

So because people buy gold or can waste days logging in and out everyone who doesn't needs to buy VR food for inflated prices? I can only assume from this that you either sell the recipes or have it and craft the food for inflated prices. Besides which at no point did I suggest making it super easy to get, just not impossible or require buying gold to get it.

No your right it’s not mandatory, but I want to be able to craft them for myself and my guild. I don’t really want to be paying inflated prices because the people that can make it bought gold to get it, and now need to make it pay off.

Also neither of us suggested making it easy to get, rather making it so it doesn’t reward bots/gold sellers/buyers for logging in and out for hours. If you think that’s a good system and rewarding for hard to get items I really feel sorry for you.

Maverick827

Karmix wrote: »

You don't have to get it. It's not mandatory. You can always buy a ton of it and resell it if you want. You do not need these recipes to progress lol. I like it's hard. At least something in the game is worth working for.

Please leave as is Zenimax.

It's not "hard," and obtaining them involves no "work."

The way in which recipes are rare is just lazy.

Karmix

But you don't have to get it right? You won't die without it. I don't understand. No one is forcing you to get this one item lol. Relax and it will happen over time. You do not need to log in and out over and over. Just enjoy the game. You'll get it eventually. You're having a heart attack over this item. There should be more items in the game this tough. It's too bad they made the game as easy as it is.

Just forget about it for a day or two and have fun playing. Someone in your guild will loot one eventually. It's just not that major and the blue recipes are better in some circumstances anyway.

Gizzarduk

Karmix wrote: »

But you don't have to get it right? You won't die without it. I don't understand. No one is forcing you to get this one item lol. Relax and it will happen over time. You do not need to log in and out over and over. Just enjoy the game. You'll get it eventually. You're having a heart attack over this item. There should be more items in the game this tough. It's too bad they made the game as easy as it is.

Just forget about it for a day or two and have fun playing. Someone in your guild will loot one eventually. It's just not that major and the blue recipes are better in some circumstances anyway.

No one is having a heart attack over this, again my view of fun clearly differs from yours, as it doesn't include going into every building and opening every container I can find. I'd much rather be working towards this either via quests or end game content.

Promoting a system that is currently rewarding bots/gold sellers and buyers is no good for the game, only the people who can cash in on their lottery win.

Cogo

Edit: Changed my answer after a friendly discussion with the OP.

Cogo

Edit: Changed my answer after a friendly discussion with the OP.

Gizzarduk

Cogo wrote: »

People pay what they can afford or accept a price for.

Buying gold have nothing to do with this. If a *bad word* person buys gold for any reason, I doubt its the only time.

Rare items are rare. The price is up to you.

Saying a player would buy gold for the first time just for this is silly.
Is this discussion going to come up at next patch where more rare items are added, as stated in their plan?

I am starting to wonder, among all these posts, how impatient people are?
I dont believe most here are kids, but some do act like them.

Yesterday these forums was almost looking like a community, because of Zenimax communication with us. Anyone remember?

Again I seem to be completely misunderstood, I don't think they should be easy or quick to get. What I don't agree with is the current method of a lottery win type loot discovery, or wasting hours logging in and out. I would be fine with them being Raid drops or massive quest chain. That at least gives people something to work towards.

Cogo

No objection from me there.

Gizzarduk

Changed the thread title, to avoid further confusion. Actually think these should have always been raid loot drops or end game content rewards.

Cogo

Edited my previous post to not attract trolls.

Gizzarduk

Cogo wrote: »

Edited my previous post to not attract trolls.

Thanks, just want to see a better/more rewarding system.

Natjur

Are players not doing Vet Dugns? I got my purple VR5 Purple recipe in the V6-V10 vet dugns.

They are not as rare as motifs, but you just can't farm them solo. You need a group.

Gizzarduk

Natjur wrote: »

Are players not doing Vet Dugns? I got my purple VR5 Purple recipe in the V6-V10 vet dugns.

They are not as rare as motifs, but you just can't farm them solo. You need a group.

Cool if you did, however if they aren't as rare as Motifs it's very odd the price seems to be more than 10 times more.

Alephen

Natjur wrote: »

Are players not doing Vet Dugns? I got my purple VR5 Purple recipe in the V6-V10 vet dugns.

They are not as rare as motifs, but you just can't farm them solo. You need a group.

i have gotten 2 from motif farming, not group content. sure they can be gotten in group content, but they are not limited to it. they are indeed much rarer, almost assuredly 10x harder, than the motifs. (2 purple vr recipes versus about 50 #11-14 motifs.) factor in that half the purple recipes are drinks and thus nearly worthless and that lvl 50 recipes are also on these loot tables. so while my 2 recipes are both vr5 foods, it would suggest 1 in 8 drops are such. thus i would expect about 100 motif drops per purple vr5 food recipe, assuming my numbers held. thus VERY rare.

plus the fact that it being so rare means there is a higher profit margin, so those buying are often doing so with the intention of recouping the money, or at least a decent percentage of it, down the road.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO

Karmix wrote: »

You don't have to get it. It's not mandatory. You can always buy a ton of it and resell it if you want. You do not need these recipes to progress lol. I like it's hard. At least something in the game is worth working for.

Please leave as is Zenimax.

Please don't confuse fights with the RNG as being 'hard'.

firstdecan

Gizzarduk wrote: »

Again I seem to be completely misunderstood, I don't think they should be easy or quick to get. What I don't agree with is the current method of a lottery win type loot discovery, or wasting hours logging in and out. I would be fine with them being Raid drops or massive quest chain. That at least gives people something to work towards.

I think you are completely understood, but what you want doesn't make sense. You are bothered that someone has something you don't, and that they charge a lot of in game money for it. You don't need purple recipes or food. If it's out of your price range, then don't buy it. This is not causing people to buy in game gold, anyone spending IRL money on gold is going to do it to buy whatever item happens to be the "rare du jour."

Your idea is not a bad idea, but it is unnecessary. These purple recipes drop when they drop, and the benefits are nice. A purple VR5 food item gives an almost 20% bonus to all your stats for two hours. But this bonus is not necessary to finish the game (VR12, never found a purple recipe) and it is not causing people to buy gold from the farm bots. It's something that's simply out of your price range for now (and mine).

There's no need to change anything just because someone has something you want and you can't have it.

Gizzarduk

firstdecan wrote: »

Gizzarduk wrote: »

Again I seem to be completely misunderstood, I don't think they should be easy or quick to get. What I don't agree with is the current method of a lottery win type loot discovery, or wasting hours logging in and out. I would be fine with them being Raid drops or massive quest chain. That at least gives people something to work towards.

I think you are completely understood, but what you want doesn't make sense. You are bothered that someone has something you don't, and that they charge a lot of in game money for it. You don't need purple recipes or food. If it's out of your price range, then don't buy it. This is not causing people to buy in game gold, anyone spending IRL money on gold is going to do it to buy whatever item happens to be the "rare du jour."

Your idea is not a bad idea, but it is unnecessary. These purple recipes drop when they drop, and the benefits are nice. A purple VR5 food item gives an almost 20% bonus to all your stats for two hours. But this bonus is not necessary to finish the game (VR12, never found a purple recipe) and it is not causing people to buy gold from the farm bots. It's something that's simply out of your price range for now (and mine).

There's no need to change anything just because someone has something you want and you can't have it.

I don't care if I don't have it, I do care that people can get it from logging in and out. That kind of play shouldn't be in the game or rewarded, never mind giving you something that sells for millions. I'd rather see something like that rewarding intended content. I.E. endgame. So no you clearly don’t understand me.

Elementon

Gizzarduk wrote: »

firstdecan wrote: »

Gizzarduk wrote: »

Again I seem to be completely misunderstood, I don't think they should be easy or quick to get. What I don't agree with is the current method of a lottery win type loot discovery, or wasting hours logging in and out. I would be fine with them being Raid drops or massive quest chain. That at least gives people something to work towards.

I think you are completely understood, but what you want doesn't make sense. You are bothered that someone has something you don't, and that they charge a lot of in game money for it. You don't need purple recipes or food. If it's out of your price range, then don't buy it. This is not causing people to buy in game gold, anyone spending IRL money on gold is going to do it to buy whatever item happens to be the "rare du jour."

Your idea is not a bad idea, but it is unnecessary. These purple recipes drop when they drop, and the benefits are nice. A purple VR5 food item gives an almost 20% bonus to all your stats for two hours. But this bonus is not necessary to finish the game (VR12, never found a purple recipe) and it is not causing people to buy gold from the farm bots. It's something that's simply out of your price range for now (and mine).

There's no need to change anything just because someone has something you want and you can't have it.

I don't care if I don't have it, I do care that people can get it from logging in and out. That kind of play shouldn't be in the game or rewarded, never mind giving you something that sells for millions. I'd rather see something like that rewarding intended content. I.E. endgame. So no you clearly don’t understand me.

It's your opinion and you are of course entitled to it, but others have different opinions. Keep it rare. It's one of the few items in the game that is very hard to get. Since they obviously are ok with people logging in and out, are very aware of it and have left it in the game they've decided it's ok.

I don't get the log in and out thing. Seems incredibly boring to me. But, if people want to do it, go for it. It has no impact on me, I don't see them, hear about them or even know they're doing it.

Anyway, just play the game, if you get a recipe great. If one comes up you can afford buy it. If not, stop obsessing over it. You're going to give yourself a heart attack over nothing.

Cogo

Gizzarduk wrote: »

I don't care if I don't have it, I do care that people can get it from logging in and out. That kind of play shouldn't be in the game or rewarded, never mind giving you something that sells for millions. I'd rather see something like that rewarding intended content. I.E. endgame. So no you clearly don’t understand me.

Agree completely! I dont care how, these rare motifs should be bloody rare. Yeah, LOW chance of drop in HARD encounters.

But there should be some way for others to have a slight chance of em.

I am talking VERY VERY LOW. Like 1 drop a week, server wide.

The log in out crap. Dont really blame zenimax for that becuse its a very good feature in other regards then abusing it.

Starting to get sick of more stuff I see from people abusing thing. Cryo pulling through walls, killing in safe zones, the vampire thing. Prob lots I dont know about.

I dont understand why anyone would WANT to abuse something in the first place.
And those who do.....get out! Sorry, had to get that off my chest!

Gizzarduk

Elementon wrote: »

Gizzarduk wrote: »

firstdecan wrote: »

Gizzarduk wrote: »

Again I seem to be completely misunderstood, I don't think they should be easy or quick to get. What I don't agree with is the current method of a lottery win type loot discovery, or wasting hours logging in and out. I would be fine with them being Raid drops or massive quest chain. That at least gives people something to work towards.

I think you are completely understood, but what you want doesn't make sense. You are bothered that someone has something you don't, and that they charge a lot of in game money for it. You don't need purple recipes or food. If it's out of your price range, then don't buy it. This is not causing people to buy in game gold, anyone spending IRL money on gold is going to do it to buy whatever item happens to be the "rare du jour."

Your idea is not a bad idea, but it is unnecessary. These purple recipes drop when they drop, and the benefits are nice. A purple VR5 food item gives an almost 20% bonus to all your stats for two hours. But this bonus is not necessary to finish the game (VR12, never found a purple recipe) and it is not causing people to buy gold from the farm bots. It's something that's simply out of your price range for now (and mine).

There's no need to change anything just because someone has something you want and you can't have it.

I don't care if I don't have it, I do care that people can get it from logging in and out. That kind of play shouldn't be in the game or rewarded, never mind giving you something that sells for millions. I'd rather see something like that rewarding intended content. I.E. endgame. So no you clearly don’t understand me.

It's your opinion and you are of course entitled to it, but others have different opinions. Keep it rare. It's one of the few items in the game that is very hard to get. Since they obviously are ok with people logging in and out, are very aware of it and have left it in the game they've decided it's ok.

I don't get the log in and out thing. Seems incredibly boring to me. But, if people want to do it, go for it. It has no impact on me, I don't see them, hear about them or even know they're doing it.

Anyway, just play the game, if you get a recipe great. If one comes up you can afford buy it. If not, stop obsessing over it. You're going to give yourself a heart attack over nothing.

If I was that obsessed I would be phoning/emailing zenimax direct, I posted here as I was under the impression that forums were a place to discuss issues and change. I feel it should be tweaked you don't, trust me I won't be losing sleep over it.

I assumed there would be more like minded people, that thought logging in and out shouldn't be rewarded with the rarest item in the game. I guess this means there are far more people playing interested in exploiting rather than playing, what a shame.

Elementon

No one is saying they love logging in and out. And I doubt the majority of people are doing it lol. Please stop ignoring this fact to try and bolster your argument. I already told you I don't do it, no one I know does it and I got my recipes through networking, referral fees, posting on the forums, etc. No logging in and out and no prices over 100K. Most people on the NA server know me very well and how aggressive I was for about a week to get most of the purple recipes.

The recipes are there if you work for them. The people I got them from recently looted them from one container or boss. None of them got them from logging in and out. I think you are mistaken that the only way to get them is this way.

Since people are going to farm items no matter what any developer comes up with I'm not sure what the issue is. I would much rather have the farmers (that will never ever go away) wasting their time logging in and out than in the open world camping bosses, ruining immersion and slowly destroying game play because they sit there in packs trying to get drops. This is a much better solution.

Anyway, random is random. If you want to click on things for a chance at it great. If not stop worrying about it. You'll get it when you get it.

If you looted the item yourself weeks ago you would not be here at all. Please stop acting like you are doing this for everyone. If you had the recipe you would NOT be here. You would be happy you got something rare and feel like it was worth the hard work.

I'm not going to respond anymore because it just sounds like "I want something I don't have, change it because I don't have it and want it."

Maverick827

Elementon wrote: »

I'm not going to respond anymore because it just sounds like "I want something I don't have, change it because I don't have it and want it."

As opposed to " I don't want people having what I have, don't change it so they can't have it."

Elementon

Plenty of people have what I have. Way before I did. I wanted them so instead of crying about it I went out and got them. People are free to do what they want. Go get them, they are there. It doesn't affect me lol.

Gizzarduk

Elementon wrote: »

Plenty of people have what I have. Way before I did. I wanted them so instead of crying about it I went out and got them. People are free to do what they want. Go get them, they are there. It doesn't affect me lol.

Then feel free to do as you said and stop posting.

Further more if you read the first post you will see I am talking about the EU server which doesn't seem to get 1/2 as many as the NA server. Most likely due to a population difference.

While I have seen plenty on the forums here and on other sites for sale on the NA server, I have seen none for sale on the EU servers in forums, only in game at the said crazy cost.

Fleymark

Gizzarduk wrote: »

Karmix wrote: »

But you don't have to get it right? You won't die without it. I don't understand. No one is forcing you to get this one item lol. Relax and it will happen over time. You do not need to log in and out over and over. Just enjoy the game. You'll get it eventually. You're having a heart attack over this item. There should be more items in the game this tough. It's too bad they made the game as easy as it is.

Just forget about it for a day or two and have fun playing. Someone in your guild will loot one eventually. It's just not that major and the blue recipes are better in some circumstances anyway.

No one is having a heart attack over this, again my view of fun clearly differs from yours, as it doesn't include going into every building and opening every container I can find. I'd much rather be working towards this either via quests or end game content.

Promoting a system that is currently rewarding bots/gold sellers and buyers is no good for the game, only the people who can cash in on their lottery win.

Translation: "I can't be bothered to do what is necessary to acquire rare, entirely optional, items so I'm going to ask you to change the game to fit my personal preferences. Oh and not doing so helps botters and gold sellers. Witch hunt buzzwords! Witch hunt buzzwords! Bad! Bad!"

Where do these people come from? I've never seen more entitled whiners in one place than this game. And indignant about it, on top of it.

I've never seen a purple recipe, either, and would like to, but this is something that is entirely appropriate being super rare. Guess we better start farming if we want them, eh?

Fleymark

But while the topic comes up, are there particular limits on the drops or care they just rare? As in, can they drop anywhere or are they in particular zones like rare motifs?

Gizzarduk

Fleymark wrote: »

Gizzarduk wrote: »

Karmix wrote: »

But you don't have to get it right? You won't die without it. I don't understand. No one is forcing you to get this one item lol. Relax and it will happen over time. You do not need to log in and out over and over. Just enjoy the game. You'll get it eventually. You're having a heart attack over this item. There should be more items in the game this tough. It's too bad they made the game as easy as it is.

Just forget about it for a day or two and have fun playing. Someone in your guild will loot one eventually. It's just not that major and the blue recipes are better in some circumstances anyway.

No one is having a heart attack over this, again my view of fun clearly differs from yours, as it doesn't include going into every building and opening every container I can find. I'd much rather be working towards this either via quests or end game content.

Promoting a system that is currently rewarding bots/gold sellers and buyers is no good for the game, only the people who can cash in on their lottery win.

Translation: "I can't be bothered to do what is necessary to acquire rare, entirely optional, items so I'm going to ask you to change the game to fit my personal preferences. Oh and not doing so helps botters and gold sellers. Witch hunt buzzwords! Witch hunt buzzwords! Bad! Bad!"

Where do these people come from? I've never seen more entitled whiners in one place than this game. And indignant about it, on top of it.

I've never seen a purple recipe, either, and would like to, but this is something that is entirely appropriate being super rare. Guess we better start farming if we want them, eh?

Clearly you took the time to read all the posts before jumping in, at no time did I say make it easier or give me now. Simply to make them drop from something that is earned not logging in and out which is how all the ones I have seen going for millions have been obtained. Think I will leave this thread to the trolls now.