AAAAaaaarggggh! I want this game to survive so bad. SO BAD.

DeLindsay

Mablung wrote: »

This is a ridiculous comment. MMO game hoppers have already left. TES fans are the ones leaving now. Those who purchased longer subscriptions, those who have been posting that they cannot take anymore and are posting for the first time expressing their frustration, TES add on makers are mad now and if they leave you will see another large exodus.

This mindset that the game will be better with fewer players obviously have never played an MMO on a dead server or prefer single player games and are experiencing this as such.

Those of you with this mindset and the mindset that all posts are done by 'whiners' etc. need to wake up. Start being proactive in helping this game retain it's dwindling player base. Stop attacking those posting about a bad gaming experience. Help them and you help this game profoundly more than by writing them off.

< TES fan, not leaving any time soon. Who's comment is ridiculous?

ThePonzzz

I don't PvP or do Craglorn as of yet. I don't feel like I need to be the best at everything. I'd really like the Dark Brotherhood and Thieves' Guild. So what am I reporting? The fact I'm waiting for something that might get released this summer? Only real complaint I have is horseback riding isn't in 1st person.

GreySix

Lots to like about ESO. If they just fix a few glaring errors, it could be so much better.

Cogo

GreySix wrote: »

Lots to like about ESO. If they just fix a few glaring errors, it could be so much better.

Yep. But they DO need to get Cyro and Graglorn in order. Maybe not 100% on monday, but soon.

Rev Rielle

I quite enjoy play my Templar, thank you very much.
You may think the class is garbage but that is completely different than the class itself actually being so.
I'm sick and tired of people that don't like/know how to play a class calling it garbage and broken. There are three other classes out there to play, play those and stop whining.

And personally I'm enjoying the VR regions of the game a lot more than the 1-50 regions. It feels more like a game now, rather than something I could do in a dazed stupor.

GreySix

Really like the combat mechanics and graphics. When compared to SWTOR, the latter just looks cartoonish, and the combat mechanics are just nowhere near as good ... at least IMO.

Alphashado

Mablung wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

MMO game hoppers will leave. TES fans will stay. I'm looking forward to it.

This is a ridiculous comment. MMO game hoppers have already left. TES fans are the ones leaving now. Those who purchased longer subscriptions, those who have been posting that they cannot take anymore and are posting for the first time expressing their frustration, TES add on makers are mad now and if they leave you will see another large exodus.

This mindset that the game will be better with fewer players obviously have never played an MMO on a dead server or prefer single player games and are experiencing this as such.

Those of you with this mindset and the mindset that all posts are done by 'whiners' etc. need to wake up. Start being proactive in helping this game retain it's dwindling player base. Stop attacking those posting about a bad gaming experience. Help them and you help this game profoundly more than by writing them off.

I agree with all of this. Well spoken for the most part. We need more people like @mablung that understand the broader scope of the situation. The only thing I disagree with is most MMO players leaving. I believe there are many people like myself that have never played any ES games and are sticking around in hopes that they right the ship because we recognize how much potential there is here.

This could be one of the very best MMOs ever made if ZoS would just get their heads out of the sand. They need to look around at what works and what doesn't work. Pioneering ideas are fine. But many things they are trying to do here have been done before and failed every time. Honestly it boggles the mind.

Cogo

Rev Rielle wrote: »

I quite enjoy play my Templar, thank you very much.
You may think the class is garbage but that is completely different than the class itself actually being so.
I'm sick and tired of people that don't like/know how to play a class calling it garbage and broken. There are three other classes out there to play, play those and stop whining.

And personally I'm enjoying the VR regions of the game a lot more than the 1-50 regions. It feels more like a game now, rather than something I could do in a dazed stupor.

All classes are "okish". No one is seriously OP. Sure, tweaks but it works just fine.

Vet1.2 areas have really forced me to be a better player, and with the fast weapon swap, I am starting to be able to utilize that as well. Something I didnt think I would be able to before.

Daggerfall continent is beautiful btw!!!

Lodestar

Rev Rielle wrote: »

I'm sick and tired of people that don't like/know how to play a class calling it garbage and broken. There are three other classes out there to play, play those and stop whining.

Except, there is that whole, each class is versatile and can play a number of ways (allegedly) and you can play any way you want. If there is a one way to play the class, then, that is a disparity right there.

In reality, I think there are certain roles each class can do, and you must work within certain guidelines. Go outside them, your stuffed.

On more clear ones, it is fair enough. Like putting little points in magika, or gear for it, wearing heavy armour and trying to be a healer, is going to be challenging. Others are not so clear, however.

Hoamaii

Sturmwaffel wrote: »

It's new. Come back in six months if that bothers you too much.

It is not new at all! It's been extensively beta-tested for months and 90% of the testers can testify that nothing has been improved or modified since then.

How would you like your car dealer selling you a new car which looked amazing in the ads and tell you "oh it just runs fine, you'll just have to pedal it for a while till we find a way to put an engine under the hood"?

Sakiri

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

Sakiri wrote: »

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

williamburr2001b14_ESO wrote: »

Pedigree: muds to ultima to wow to etc. yes done it, plenty of it, who cares.

I was explaining this to my wife on our walk today, and what's here, and what I would definitely like to see preserved is the FEEL of the game. You pull your two-hander back, and then it swings, and it hits an enemy, and there's a WHOMP. I just feels right. Same with an uppercut. Same with a sorceror bomb spell, same with a Templar jab. The graphic hits, the sound hits, right in line with what's happening, and that's a very rare thing for even a console-triple-AAA game, let alone a PC MMO. A great job was done, and continues to be done, with the feeling of in-game physics.

Current dissastisfactions: I've played Templar and Sorc. I have a V12 (that exploited the hell out of Craglorn, in the interest of full-disclosure). Templar is GARBAGE and Sorceror is FUN AS HELL. I really do believe that the gulf between early DK/Sorc and early NB/Temp has informed most players' opinions on what the game is like. Everybody loved it to level 50. When VR hit is when people starting hitting walls, and thus got frustrated, and thus either quit or hit the forums.

We earn points and badges here...is this the meta-meta-game?

I'm at 327 agrees 35 insightful, 70 awesome,27 lol . And zero dev pretty sure there not happy with my opinion

193 insightful, 1.1k agree, 180 awesome and 264 lol.

Since were sharing ststs.

Your vr 12 community

Lolwat?

Seriously confused. Because I'm not VR12 either.

Sakiri

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

Sakiri wrote: »

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

williamburr2001b14_ESO wrote: »

Pedigree: muds to ultima to wow to etc. yes done it, plenty of it, who cares.

I was explaining this to my wife on our walk today, and what's here, and what I would definitely like to see preserved is the FEEL of the game. You pull your two-hander back, and then it swings, and it hits an enemy, and there's a WHOMP. I just feels right. Same with an uppercut. Same with a sorceror bomb spell, same with a Templar jab. The graphic hits, the sound hits, right in line with what's happening, and that's a very rare thing for even a console-triple-AAA game, let alone a PC MMO. A great job was done, and continues to be done, with the feeling of in-game physics.

Current dissastisfactions: I've played Templar and Sorc. I have a V12 (that exploited the hell out of Craglorn, in the interest of full-disclosure). Templar is GARBAGE and Sorceror is FUN AS HELL. I really do believe that the gulf between early DK/Sorc and early NB/Temp has informed most players' opinions on what the game is like. Everybody loved it to level 50. When VR hit is when people starting hitting walls, and thus got frustrated, and thus either quit or hit the forums.

We earn points and badges here...is this the meta-meta-game?

I'm at 327 agrees 35 insightful, 70 awesome,27 lol . And zero dev pretty sure there not happy with my opinion

193 insightful, 1.1k agree, 180 awesome and 264 lol.

Since were sharing ststs.

Your vr 12 community

Lolwat?

Seriously confused. Because I'm not VR12 either.

Cogo wrote: »

Rev Rielle wrote: »

I quite enjoy play my Templar, thank you very much.
You may think the class is garbage but that is completely different than the class itself actually being so.
I'm sick and tired of people that don't like/know how to play a class calling it garbage and broken. There are three other classes out there to play, play those and stop whining.

And personally I'm enjoying the VR regions of the game a lot more than the 1-50 regions. It feels more like a game now, rather than something I could do in a dazed stupor.

All classes are "okish". No one is seriously OP. Sure, tweaks but it works just fine.

Vet1.2 areas have really forced me to be a better player, and with the fast weapon swap, I am starting to be able to utilize that as well. Something I didnt think I would be able to before.

Daggerfall continent is beautiful btw!!!

Disagreeing on the Daggerfall comment.

Really can't stand Daggerfall. ><

Cogo

To clarify. I did not like the alliance at all. But the water, trees and environment is very beautiful. And the best part! Orc towns!!!

I got sick of those muppet kings soldiers though.

Edit 4 times...can't fekin spell!

Singular

williamburr2001b14_ESO wrote: »

I hit a wall in ESO, and like a great big Traitor, I started playing WildStar. It's amazing, because every MMO is amazing if you're under level 10. It's like being a baby again--you get soft food-stuff shoved in your face forever and ever.

I hate it. I hate hate hate hate it, and I knew I would. Its cartoony style is the worst kind of turn-off. People used to complain about Warcraft's cartoony style. Warcraft went with it, probably because of Pokemon, and is still successful. But I still hate it. WildStar embraces that aesthetic and runs with it.

But at the same time, It's FUN to PLAY. The gameplay itself, the act of bashing down groups of monsters that need bashing down, is so much more viscerally satisfying than the..(I actually literally, physically shuddered a little) VR 3-group experience.

Blach! Your poor eyes!

SFBryan18

Mablung wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

MMO game hoppers will leave. TES fans will stay. I'm looking forward to it.

This is a ridiculous comment. MMO game hoppers have already left.

Until we stop hearing forums members talk about what MMO's they've played like the OP did at the very beginning of his post, they're not gone. See, TES fans don't talk about what MMO's they played, they talk about their RPG experience. Most TES fans will care more about the lore and the role playing than they will about how to make this a better MMO (or from what I'm seeing, a clone of other MMO's). I can't wait until the MMO fans are gone, because this game is supposed to be TES, not 'let's complain about end game and subscription fees WoW'.

Alphashado

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

MMO game hoppers will leave. TES fans will stay. I'm looking forward to it.

This is a ridiculous comment. MMO game hoppers have already left.

Until we stop hearing forums members talk about what MMO's they've played like the OP did at the very beginning of his post, they're not gone. See, TES fans don't talk about what MMO's they played, they talk about their RPG experience. Most TES fans will care more about the lore and the role playing than they will about how to make this a better MMO (or from what I'm seeing, a clone of other MMO's). I can't wait until the MMO fans are gone, because this game is supposed to be TES, not 'let's complain about end game and subscription fees WoW'.

If you are under some kind of delusional notion that TES fans are all staying and everyone that is involved in the mass exodus happens to be an MMO fan, then you are very sadly mistaken. I would advise you to look around on these forums and do some research before you lay down a blanket statement like that.

Not only that, but dividing this game down the middle and wishing more than half of the player base would just disappear is outlandish. It is a one way ticket to a F2P game. And as a long time (two decade) evil MMO player, let me assure you of something Mr elite TES guy.... you don't want your beloved TES game to go Free to play. Because if it does, then all the stuff you geek out on and RP with in the game will be locked behind a credit card number.

So try to see things with a broader perspective. This game needs to appeal to both types of gamers if it wishes to survive. MMO games like this require GIGANTIC amounts of revenue in order to keep running. And the die-hard TES fans are not going to be able to supply nearly enough revenue alone.

Nyghthowler

Mortosk wrote: »

pronkg wrote: »

Mortosk wrote: »

Doctoruniverse wrote: »

Every character can reach VR12 in 2 days playtime. It has nothing to do with skill as you just need a farming group of 2 people from 1-50 and then 4 people for grinding vr1-12.

Its just very boring.

Don't think that's even close to possible, even if you stayed up 48 hour straight.

I could get 2,4 million VP per hour thats About 2 hours per vet lvl so 24 hour should almost be enough already

2.4 million an hr eh?

Lets say you kill a 3 pack every 15 seconds, that's a fairly quick pace. Lets say for sake of argument that each gives 300 exp, round up to 1000 total for simplicity.

(2,400,000 exp / 1000 exp) * 15 seconds = 36,000 seconds

That's 600 minutes or 10 hours to get 2.4 million.

To get 2.4 million per hour you would have to kill a 3 pack every 1.5 seconds.

He's probably playing a full cloth desto/resto staff sorc, or camping a graveyard with Silverbolts...

Mablung

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

MMO game hoppers will leave. TES fans will stay. I'm looking forward to it.

This is a ridiculous comment. MMO game hoppers have already left.

Until we stop hearing forums members talk about what MMO's they've played like the OP did at the very beginning of his post, they're not gone. See, TES fans don't talk about what MMO's they played, they talk about their RPG experience. Most TES fans will care more about the lore and the role playing than they will about how to make this a better MMO (or from what I'm seeing, a clone of other MMO's). I can't wait until the MMO fans are gone, because this game is supposed to be TES, not 'let's complain about end game and subscription fees WoW'.

I for one am a TES and MMO fan so your attempt at a passive aggressive insult fails. Labeling is a defense mechanism. It is most likely because deep inside people who have this thought process are fearful the game is in it's death throws. A true TES fan would want to share their love for the lore, RP and world with everyone. Who cares if there are mechanics and features from other MMOs people want to see in this game? I do not and I am of the mindset that if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

TESO is not a ground breaking, inovative MMO. It is has some of your standard fair with some decent story telling and beautiful graphics thrown in. In truth it is not special, but I am ok with that.

I am hopeful that this game continues to evolve and get better and I surely do not want to see a further decline in population because that evolution will cease.

Aramil1983b14_ESO

yeah I've tried to stick with it, but I was literally paying to log in and read a book. I may give it another try in a couple months if another game doesn't manage to grab my attention.

SFBryan18

Alphashado wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

MMO game hoppers will leave. TES fans will stay. I'm looking forward to it.

This is a ridiculous comment. MMO game hoppers have already left.

Until we stop hearing forums members talk about what MMO's they've played like the OP did at the very beginning of his post, they're not gone. See, TES fans don't talk about what MMO's they played, they talk about their RPG experience. Most TES fans will care more about the lore and the role playing than they will about how to make this a better MMO (or from what I'm seeing, a clone of other MMO's). I can't wait until the MMO fans are gone, because this game is supposed to be TES, not 'let's complain about end game and subscription fees WoW'.

Not only that, but dividing this game down the middle and wishing more than half of the player base would just disappear is outlandish. It is a one way ticket to a F2P game. And as a long time (two decade) evil MMO player, let me assure you of something Mr elite TES guy.... you don't want your beloved TES game to go Free to play. Because if it does, then all the stuff you geek out on and RP with in the game will be locked behind a credit card number.

Sounds like you pulled out the 'jump to conclusions' mat with that one. TES doesn't need the MMO fanbase. It has a large enough fanbase without them. The majority of the complaints are coming from the MMO expectations, and it's pointless because they won't stay. They hop from one game to the next and complain that the game is not perfect, and then move on. TES fans stay for the lore and the role play. ESO has the lore and it just needs time for more role play and for MMO fans to get lost so the devs can focus on the real fanbase.

Any forum member who has made any statements about the game Wildstar is not going to be here for very long. I mean seriously, that's like a Jack and Dexter MMO and should not have any comparison to TES. Those are the people I'm talking about, and not just for that one game but for the players who focus on the MMO in general. They are not TES fans, and they won't be missed. Elder Scrolls has a huge fanbase, which is why I expect the console versions to do very well also since the majority of haters are from the PC MMO community.

TheBucket

kkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »

The only problem i have is that with every patch the fix 1 thing and destroy 2-3 others. Other than that i love the game, waited for it 2 years and i ll keep supporting it for as long as i can.

That's a wierd way of looking at it. Considering they are actually fixing 100's of things and a handful of things get broken.

AngryNord

Luvsfuzzybunnies wrote: »

Sakiri wrote: »

DeLindsay wrote: »

Don't worry the game will continue, and ZoS will continue improving it and bringing out new content (not just for VR either). But all of this takes time. It seems in today's society everyone wants everything RIGHT MEOW! Unfortunately the real world doesn't work the way their fantasy world (in their head) does. ZoS has a VERY long term plan for the game, years in fact, so no worries.

Anyone that uses that meme needs a cat launched at them, pointy end first.

Right to the face.

Are you kitten me right meow?

woof woof

Mablung

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

MMO game hoppers will leave. TES fans will stay. I'm looking forward to it.

This is a ridiculous comment. MMO game hoppers have already left.

Until we stop hearing forums members talk about what MMO's they've played like the OP did at the very beginning of his post, they're not gone. See, TES fans don't talk about what MMO's they played, they talk about their RPG experience. Most TES fans will care more about the lore and the role playing than they will about how to make this a better MMO (or from what I'm seeing, a clone of other MMO's). I can't wait until the MMO fans are gone, because this game is supposed to be TES, not 'let's complain about end game and subscription fees WoW'.

Not only that, but dividing this game down the middle and wishing more than half of the player base would just disappear is outlandish. It is a one way ticket to a F2P game. And as a long time (two decade) evil MMO player, let me assure you of something Mr elite TES guy.... you don't want your beloved TES game to go Free to play. Because if it does, then all the stuff you geek out on and RP with in the game will be locked behind a credit card number.

Sounds like you pulled out the 'jump to conclusions' mat with that one. TES doesn't need the MMO fanbase. It has a large enough fanbase without them. The majority of the complaints are coming from the MMO expectations, and it's pointless because they won't stay. They hop from one game to the next and complain that the game is not perfect, and then move on. TES fans stay for the lore and the role play. ESO has the lore and it just needs time for more role play and for MMO fans to get lost so the devs can focus on the real fanbase.

Any forum member who has made any statements about the game Wildstar is not going to be here for very long. I mean seriously, that's like a Jack and Dexter MMO and should not have any comparison to TES. Those are the people I'm talking about, and not just for that one game but for the players who focus on the MMO in general. They are not TES fans, and they won't be missed. Elder Scrolls has a huge fanbase, which is why I expect the console versions to do very well also since the majority of haters are from the PC MMO community.

The only person jumping to conclusions and basing their argument on assumptions is you.

TES doesn't need the MMO fanbase? LOL. You do realize that this is not a stand alone Elder Scrolls game right? This is a Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game. You get that right?

Here is another of your assumptions, "they hop from one game to the next and complain that the game is not perfect..". You couple this with another assumption that TES fans stay for the lore and role play (is there an echo in here?). While both may have some truth to them, segregating TESO gamers is idiotic and counterproductive to promoting a healthy community.

This not a personal attack but your logic sounds like that of a younger, less experienced gamer. You are attempting to project your ideas and expectations of what this MMO should be about in the hopes that someone will agree with you.

Who are you to say who is a TES fan and who is not? Just because someone mentions another game does not invalidate their fandom of TES.

For someone who ends their post accusing someone of jumping to conclusions and basing their argument on assumptions, you sure fit the bill.

Mablung

TheBucket wrote: »

Considering they are actually fixing 100's of things and a handful of things get broken.

Sometimes I read posts like these and wonder if I am in the twilight zone.

Wolfshead

Mablung wrote: »

Catches_the_Sun wrote: »

Mortosk wrote: »

Sturmwaffel wrote: »

It's new. Come back in six months if that bothers you too much.

Yea, it might even be F2P then. Might save some $$$.

Care to make a wager on that? Going F2P before console release wouldn't be a wise business move.

Actually it would be a very smart business move. It would negate the need for subs and would allow for the creation of a in game store where people could by items with money. Microtransactions are huge on XBox One and XBox 360. They have items already in game that could be purchased through a store.

This is not me saying I want the game to go F2P, its me saying that they could definitely capitalize on profits through microtransactions on consoles because people already make those types of purchases.

Are you frack joking now right what item do the have in the store that the are selling so much off?

The only item the see is horse nothing else and if you compare that to WoW then i would say WoW crap load more thing the sell in there store then ESO do and WoW is still not F2P so just for a game and store item that can use in game do always mean that the go to go F2P ^^

Sakiri

Cogo wrote: »

To clarify. I did not like the alliance at all. But the water, trees and environment is very beautiful. And the best part! Orc towns!!!

I got sick of those muppet kings soldiers though.

Edit 4 times...can't fekin spell!

Every Breton NPC I came across reminded me of pompous, pretentious jerks.

The orcs were cool though.

Nyghthowler wrote: »

Mortosk wrote: »

pronkg wrote: »

Mortosk wrote: »

Doctoruniverse wrote: »

Every character can reach VR12 in 2 days playtime. It has nothing to do with skill as you just need a farming group of 2 people from 1-50 and then 4 people for grinding vr1-12.

Its just very boring.

Don't think that's even close to possible, even if you stayed up 48 hour straight.

I could get 2,4 million VP per hour thats About 2 hours per vet lvl so 24 hour should almost be enough already

2.4 million an hr eh?

Lets say you kill a 3 pack every 15 seconds, that's a fairly quick pace. Lets say for sake of argument that each gives 300 exp, round up to 1000 total for simplicity.

(2,400,000 exp / 1000 exp) * 15 seconds = 36,000 seconds

That's 600 minutes or 10 hours to get 2.4 million.

To get 2.4 million per hour you would have to kill a 3 pack every 1.5 seconds.

He's probably playing a full cloth desto/resto staff sorc, or camping a graveyard with Silverbolts...

Or talking about a group grind, which yes, can supposedly do it that fast.

Wolfshead wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

Catches_the_Sun wrote: »

Mortosk wrote: »

Sturmwaffel wrote: »

It's new. Come back in six months if that bothers you too much.

Yea, it might even be F2P then. Might save some $$$.

Care to make a wager on that? Going F2P before console release wouldn't be a wise business move.

Actually it would be a very smart business move. It would negate the need for subs and would allow for the creation of a in game store where people could by items with money. Microtransactions are huge on XBox One and XBox 360. They have items already in game that could be purchased through a store.

This is not me saying I want the game to go F2P, its me saying that they could definitely capitalize on profits through microtransactions on consoles because people already make those types of purchases.

Are you frack joking now right what item do the have in the store that the are selling so much off?

The only item the see is horse nothing else and if you compare that to WoW then i would say WoW crap load more thing the sell in there store then ESO do and WoW is still not F2P so just for a game and store item that can use in game do always mean that the go to go F2P ^^

No, what he's saying is that they'd make a load of money on the consoles by going free to play and putting more stuff in the stores.

Have you *seen* the crap the Xbox kids buy for their friggin avatars? They buy minor DLC like it's candy, too.

If there's *any* market for free to play microtransaction heaven, it's a console market.

SFBryan18

Mablung wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

MMO game hoppers will leave. TES fans will stay. I'm looking forward to it.

This is a ridiculous comment. MMO game hoppers have already left.

Until we stop hearing forums members talk about what MMO's they've played like the OP did at the very beginning of his post, they're not gone. See, TES fans don't talk about what MMO's they played, they talk about their RPG experience. Most TES fans will care more about the lore and the role playing than they will about how to make this a better MMO (or from what I'm seeing, a clone of other MMO's). I can't wait until the MMO fans are gone, because this game is supposed to be TES, not 'let's complain about end game and subscription fees WoW'.

Not only that, but dividing this game down the middle and wishing more than half of the player base would just disappear is outlandish. It is a one way ticket to a F2P game. And as a long time (two decade) evil MMO player, let me assure you of something Mr elite TES guy.... you don't want your beloved TES game to go Free to play. Because if it does, then all the stuff you geek out on and RP with in the game will be locked behind a credit card number.

Sounds like you pulled out the 'jump to conclusions' mat with that one. TES doesn't need the MMO fanbase. It has a large enough fanbase without them. The majority of the complaints are coming from the MMO expectations, and it's pointless because they won't stay. They hop from one game to the next and complain that the game is not perfect, and then move on. TES fans stay for the lore and the role play. ESO has the lore and it just needs time for more role play and for MMO fans to get lost so the devs can focus on the real fanbase.

Any forum member who has made any statements about the game Wildstar is not going to be here for very long. I mean seriously, that's like a Jack and Dexter MMO and should not have any comparison to TES. Those are the people I'm talking about, and not just for that one game but for the players who focus on the MMO in general. They are not TES fans, and they won't be missed. Elder Scrolls has a huge fanbase, which is why I expect the console versions to do very well also since the majority of haters are from the PC MMO community.

The only person jumping to conclusions and basing their argument on assumptions is you.

TES doesn't need the MMO fanbase? LOL. You do realize that this is not a stand alone Elder Scrolls game right? This is a Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game. You get that right?

Here is another of your assumptions, "they hop from one game to the next and complain that the game is not perfect..". You couple this with another assumption that TES fans stay for the lore and role play (is there an echo in here?). While both may have some truth to them, segregating TESO gamers is idiotic and counterproductive to promoting a healthy community.

This not a personal attack but your logic sounds like that of a younger, less experienced gamer. You are attempting to project your ideas and expectations of what this MMO should be about in the hopes that someone will agree with you.

Who are you to say who is a TES fan and who is not? Just because someone mentions another game does not invalidate their fandom of TES.

For someone who ends their post accusing someone of jumping to conclusions and basing their argument on assumptions, you sure fit the bill.

You always pretend to be some kind of psychology expert, and it's obvious that you aren't. Fail troll, don't pretend to know me. There is a difference between the MMO and TES fan. Perhaps some players like both, but in general, most lean in one direction or the other. In my opinion, MMO is a genre, not a set of rules to follow. TES is a franchise that needs to be lived up to. Anyone comparing this game to other mmo's will leave sooner than the players comparing it to TES. This is my prediction, which I don't mind giving because it seems common for members of this forum to tell everyone what will happen. And again, TES doesn't need the MMO genre fanbase. They have their own fans and can do just fine without them.

steveb16_ESO46

subecsanur wrote: »

Sturmwaffel wrote: »

It's new. Come back in six months if that bothers you too much.

I don't think that many will be around anymore. It either fix it now and stop ruining the game with every patch, you see the attrition is already obvious.

There's no point paying a sub if it not working for you. Money walking is money talking. The problem for zen is that people will also be walking to something else and might never come back. If there is a subscription problem they need to do something now in terms of direction and quality.

I feel they are perfectly happy with the direction and that's fine. The game is what they intend so there's no point sticking around hoping it's going to change. What they could change is their lack of quality control and actually test stuff before releasing things. What goes on each patch is well beyond a joke.

Mablung

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

MMO game hoppers will leave. TES fans will stay. I'm looking forward to it.

This is a ridiculous comment. MMO game hoppers have already left.

Until we stop hearing forums members talk about what MMO's they've played like the OP did at the very beginning of his post, they're not gone. See, TES fans don't talk about what MMO's they played, they talk about their RPG experience. Most TES fans will care more about the lore and the role playing than they will about how to make this a better MMO (or from what I'm seeing, a clone of other MMO's). I can't wait until the MMO fans are gone, because this game is supposed to be TES, not 'let's complain about end game and subscription fees WoW'.

Not only that, but dividing this game down the middle and wishing more than half of the player base would just disappear is outlandish. It is a one way ticket to a F2P game. And as a long time (two decade) evil MMO player, let me assure you of something Mr elite TES guy.... you don't want your beloved TES game to go Free to play. Because if it does, then all the stuff you geek out on and RP with in the game will be locked behind a credit card number.

Sounds like you pulled out the 'jump to conclusions' mat with that one. TES doesn't need the MMO fanbase. It has a large enough fanbase without them. The majority of the complaints are coming from the MMO expectations, and it's pointless because they won't stay. They hop from one game to the next and complain that the game is not perfect, and then move on. TES fans stay for the lore and the role play. ESO has the lore and it just needs time for more role play and for MMO fans to get lost so the devs can focus on the real fanbase.

Any forum member who has made any statements about the game Wildstar is not going to be here for very long. I mean seriously, that's like a Jack and Dexter MMO and should not have any comparison to TES. Those are the people I'm talking about, and not just for that one game but for the players who focus on the MMO in general. They are not TES fans, and they won't be missed. Elder Scrolls has a huge fanbase, which is why I expect the console versions to do very well also since the majority of haters are from the PC MMO community.

The only person jumping to conclusions and basing their argument on assumptions is you.

TES doesn't need the MMO fanbase? LOL. You do realize that this is not a stand alone Elder Scrolls game right? This is a Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game. You get that right?

Here is another of your assumptions, "they hop from one game to the next and complain that the game is not perfect..". You couple this with another assumption that TES fans stay for the lore and role play (is there an echo in here?). While both may have some truth to them, segregating TESO gamers is idiotic and counterproductive to promoting a healthy community.

This not a personal attack but your logic sounds like that of a younger, less experienced gamer. You are attempting to project your ideas and expectations of what this MMO should be about in the hopes that someone will agree with you.

Who are you to say who is a TES fan and who is not? Just because someone mentions another game does not invalidate their fandom of TES.

For someone who ends their post accusing someone of jumping to conclusions and basing their argument on assumptions, you sure fit the bill.

You always pretend to be some kind of psychology expert, and it's obvious that you aren't. Fail troll, don't pretend to know me. There is a difference between the MMO and TES fan. Perhaps some players like both, but in general, most lean in one direction or the other. In my opinion, MMO is a genre, not a set of rules to follow. TES is a franchise that needs to be lived up to. Anyone comparing this game to other mmo's will leave sooner than the players comparing it to TES. This is my prediction, which if don't mind giving because it seems common for members of this forum to tell everyone what will happen. And again, TES doesn't need the MMO genre fanbase. They have their own fans and can do just fine without them.

Thank you for proving me correct in my thought that you are young and inexperienced. You like to resort to personal attacks and illogical arguments when threatened while board warrioring.

My suggestion to you is...well, I don't need to say it do I. You already know what my suggestion to you is.

Mablung

Wolfshead wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

Catches_the_Sun wrote: »

Mortosk wrote: »

Sturmwaffel wrote: »

It's new. Come back in six months if that bothers you too much.

Yea, it might even be F2P then. Might save some $$$.

Care to make a wager on that? Going F2P before console release wouldn't be a wise business move.

Actually it would be a very smart business move. It would negate the need for subs and would allow for the creation of a in game store where people could by items with money. Microtransactions are huge on XBox One and XBox 360. They have items already in game that could be purchased through a store.

This is not me saying I want the game to go F2P, its me saying that they could definitely capitalize on profits through microtransactions on consoles because people already make those types of purchases.

Are you frack joking now right what item do the have in the store that the are selling so much off?

The only item the see is horse nothing else and if you compare that to WoW then i would say WoW crap load more thing the sell in there store then ESO do and WoW is still not F2P so just for a game and store item that can use in game do always mean that the go to go F2P ^^

Obviously I was not referring to the store they currently have. Those items would not be beneficial to an in game clientele. If you have played SWtoR or Guild Wars 2 it is not hard to see what type of store they could develop with this game. Think outside of the box before jumping to conclusions or better yet, read the post again until you fully understand.