Why are addons like this allowed?

WylieCoyote1511

http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info57-EsoHeadMarkers.html

Isn't this some form of cheating?

AlexDougherty

Not unless it's attached to a bot, if a player is using it, well they still have to get it.

I disapprove of it, and it should be considered a form of cheating, but probably isn't.

Wizzo91

I would not consider it as cheating.
It only shows the discovered harvest nodes you discovered.

You can also just right down the coordinates on a piece of paper. Would you also say this is cheating?

The addon just makes life easier.

SystemiK

Some form of cheating? No. It's some form of placing pins on a map for things you have discovered.

It's also the second most downloaded mod on ESOui and it's been available since launch.

As for whether or not it's cheating, the fact that the dev's have allowed it could serve as a clue, but you are more than welcome to form your own opinion.

niocwy

No. It's much like having a real-paper map and pointing the harvest nodes when you discover them. It's just more practical to have it as an addon.

I see there is also an option to import existing data...to keep with the analogy, it would be like borrowing a friend's map.

Finally, it comes down to : does it give a noticeable advantage over other players ?

My opinion : craft resources are already EVERYWHERE. I don't even feel the need for this addon (except maybe for hunting runes, for which it's more effective to farm in a group public dungeon of the level of the runes you want, get a crapload of glyphs, and deconstruct them)

This isn't a form of cheating, just a form of lazy-ing (and there's no problem with that either)

WylieCoyote1511

SystemiK wrote: »

Some form of cheating? No. It's some form of placing pins on a map for things you have discovered.

It's also the second most downloaded mod on ESOui and it's been available since launch.

As for whether or not it's cheating, the fact that the dev's have allowed it could serve as a clue, but you are more than welcome to form your own opinion.

No need to sound like that.

I obviously read the add on wrong. I thought it told you where everything was from the get go. Which is why I thought it was cheating.

niocwy

WylieCoyote1511 wrote: »

I obviously read the add on wrong. I thought it told you where everything was from the get go. Which is why I thought it was cheating.

Well, in theory, it could, if you get the data from someone who already discovered the nodes.

WylieCoyote1511

niocwy wrote: »

WylieCoyote1511 wrote: »

I obviously read the add on wrong. I thought it told you where everything was from the get go. Which is why I thought it was cheating.

Well, in theory, it could, if you get the data from someone who already discovered the nodes.

Yes very true.

SystemiK

Well it can set up that way (I think), I'm pretty sure you can import the nodes from a shared database which other people have uploaded into your own map. I think most people who use it though are just letting it populate itself as they travel.

I personally love the mod, since I tend to jump on every node in sight, it makes it very easy to tell which parts of the map I have not explored yet.

WylieCoyote1511

Also I noticed it shows you the direction of nodes on your navigation bar, going by the pictures.

Doesn't this then make putting SP into the skill that allows you to see glowing nodes at a distance pointless?

Bloodfang

It doesn't feel like cheating for me.

I'm using it so I can see which places on the map I visited too, that way I'm not missing anything.

WylieCoyote1511

Despair9 wrote: »

It doesn't feel like cheating for me.

I'm using it so I can see which places on the map I visited too, that way I'm not missing anything.

Right so there are no add ons that show you where everything is from the get go, even skyshards?

SystemiK

It bothered me having the nodes show up on my compass so I turned them off. I only see the map pins when I open my map. I do use Keen Eye on herbs though, I would never trade that skill.

Lunshea

SystemiK wrote: »

Well it can set up that way (I think), I'm pretty sure you can import the nodes from a shared database which other people have uploaded into your own map. I think most people who use it though are just letting it populate itself as they travel. .

In WoW, similar addons can communicate with other users of the same addon exchanging map data on the fly through "hidden chat channels". I don't know if that's possible to do with the ESO api, though, the addon authors have to comment on that. However, it is possible to exchange map data by exporting/importing data your addon has recorded in f.i. your Saved Variables - outside the game.

Swordguy

combining harvestmap (or any map marking mod really) with the Mini-map mod does not make keen eye perks obsolete or make finding stuff any easier. I would say the skyshart marker or the lore marker mods are more controversial, but anyone complaining about those mods might possibly be a masochist.

R1ckyDaMan

Not so much cheating to me, but it does feel like it has a negative effect on the game for everyone imo.

Easier to find nodes, gather more nodes, more resources in the market.

kassandratheclericb14_ESO

Are there not sites or places on the web that have maps of this information? Maps of skyshards, mundus stones, harvest areas?

So I don't think of it as cheating. Taking some fun out of the game maybe? Some folks just don't like harvesting or exploration.

onlinegamer1

By definition, no Add-on can possibly be "cheating".

By definition.

Heishi

It's a form of cheating in the same manner as buying a guide, looking up a walkthrough, or downloading maps like this. Nothing that violates any rules though.

Would it really be different than finding a map with the resource locations and printing it (or having it up on a second screen) while playing?

onlinegamer1

Heishi wrote: »

It's a form of cheating in the same manner as buying a guide, looking up a walkthrough, or downloading maps like this. Nothing that violates any rules though.

Would it really be different than finding a map with the resource locations and printing it (or having it up on a second screen) while playing?

This is false.

Using an addon is the same thing as pressing "M" to open the map. Its built into the game, therefore, its not cheating to use a built-in game function. Add-ons are built into the game. An externally published "guide" is not.

kewl

No.

zgrssd

WylieCoyote1511 wrote: »

http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info57-EsoHeadMarkers.html

Isn't this some form of cheating?

If it can be done with a Guide on the Internet or by just marking markers on a piece of paper, we addon programmers are allowed to put it on your ingame UI. That is the simple rule I see regard this and similar addons.

They always had all the rights to just ban this addon if they felt it was cheating. Or simply disabled the needed API functions.
They did not, so they do not consier it cheating.

kieso

I've had this add on forever now; funny thing is I don't really use it.

Merlin13KAGL

AlexDougherty wrote: »

I disapprove of it, and it should be considered a form of cheating, but probably isn't.

I can see where @AlexDougherty‌ is coming from here. 'Real world' (here come the torches again), resources would not reappear in the exact same spot... At the same time, the nodes would not change (Mountain flower would not become Lady's Smock the next time), and (similar to TES standalones) you could go to certain areas for certain components.

Everything didn't grow everywhere.

It does take away from the intended player experience, to an extent...so those that use it are missing some of the immersion.

Despair9 wrote: »

It doesn't feel like cheating for me.

I'm using it so I can see which places on the map I visited too, that way I'm not missing anything.

Map notes or Fog of War (Morrowind was great with this, the others to an extent) would actually assist in this. You did not traverse the Elder Scrolls world with a constant uplink to Google Tamriel, so the exploration and discovery was exactly that.

If you didn't find it or a Ranger didn't mark it...it may as well not even exist.


It's a personal preference. Do you wish to walk the same path over and over seeing the same thing each day, or do you wish to notice that which you did not see the day before?

There are no resources in this game that I can see that are so sparse that this would be required.

You may not be cheating, but you're cheating yourself out of some of the experience.

Hilgara

Almost every MMO I can think of has some kind of harvester addon. usually you can share your node map with your guild too so the maps very soon have every node in the make mark.

zgrssd

kieso wrote: »

I've had this add on forever now; funny thing is I don't really use it.

Honestly never bothered with it myself. I find too much resource nodes already. Most of the time and have to spend effort to waste the excess resources into craft XP.
I started using Lorebook, Treasure Map and SkyShard addon recently. Simply because using a Browser guide got too annoying and they were there.

Swordguy

everyone draws a line somewhere. seeing a resource node on a map is not much different than opening a map to see where a city is, or having a quest marker on the compass to direct a player where they need to go.

some people might play with their HUD turned off entirely to have fun, while others might enjoy information overload and feel lost without it (like me). As long as I am not impacting someone elses enjoyment, or gaining an advantage over someone else (besides the purest who plays with the HUD off in pvp), or xploiting a flaw in a game mechanic, than I will continue to play the way that provides me the most enjoyment and comfort, as should everyone.

elderscrollsb16_ESO109

Despair9 wrote: »

It doesn't feel like cheating for me.

I'm using it so I can see which places on the map I visited too, that way I'm not missing anything.

try :
http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info500-TrueExploration.html

Heishi

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

Heishi wrote: »

It's a form of cheating in the same manner as buying a guide, looking up a walkthrough, or downloading maps like this. Nothing that violates any rules though.

Would it really be different than finding a map with the resource locations and printing it (or having it up on a second screen) while playing?

This is false.

Using an addon is the same thing as pressing "M" to open the map. Its built into the game, therefore, its not cheating to use a built-in game function. Add-ons are built into the game. An externally published "guide" is not.

Wait wait.. so you're telling me If I go to elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/file/view/Auridon%20Skyshards.png and print it out, sit it next to my keyboard, that it is somehow different than going to http://esoui.com/downloads/info128-SkyShards.html downloading the add-on makes it different? Or as I mentioned, having the map right up on a second second screen vs pulling it up in game?

I don't think either is wrong to use, but I don't find a distinction between the two just because one is player created and side-loaded with the game vs other means that offer equivalent access to the same information.

Arguing that neither is a form of cheating would an acceptable argument. You could cite that technically everyone has the same chance at access to the information so one player doesn't have advantage over another player thus not cheating. But saying they are different because it's built-in doesn't make sense. It'd be like saying that using an exploit is ok because it's a "built-in game function". It may not be functioning properly, but it's still built-in every bit as much as add-ons.

Merlin13KAGL

elderscrollsb16_ESO109 wrote: »

Despair9 wrote: »

It doesn't feel like cheating for me.

I'm using it so I can see which places on the map I visited too, that way I'm not missing anything.

try :
http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info500-TrueExploration.html

Sounds like Add-On implementation of Fog of War... Interesting

Swordguy

elderscrollsb16_ESO109 wrote: »

Despair9 wrote: »

It doesn't feel like cheating for me.

I'm using it so I can see which places on the map I visited too, that way I'm not missing anything.

try :
http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info500-TrueExploration.html

I'm gonna grab this one, thanks for the link.