DAOC realm rank system

drogon1

Has anyone more informed than me heard any discussion of implementing a DAOC realm rank system? For a large section of the DAOC playerbase, it was all the end-game that was needed. DAOC realm ranks seem to me to be relatively easy to implement, and an absolute ton of fun. This game seems well designed for it.

SilverWF

So, why you not described this system?

Omnevolus

Hmm, interesting, actually. Not a bad idea.

suelothvar

would be great, aslong as it took ages to rank up, (like in DaoC) not few days, resulting in whaa whaa no content, posts by those who rushed through.

Also would love it if they added the mini solo dungion quests too, I miss those, were perfect for times when only had a hr or less to play

Kewljag_66_ESO

People bring them up alot but i havent heard the pvp dev say anything about it. there is alot of things they could do similiar, they already have 50 alliance ranks, they could ass a skill point of 2 to each rank to spend on stuff added. Corrently you get a universal skill point for any of your skills but we need a special PVP list or atleast greatly increase the current Alliance rank slill list. Could add more lines like fighter, mage, thief, and so on. i dont care for abilities as we are already limited on our bar, it needs to be alot of passive stuff and increases. I dont like teh idea of skill points gained in PVE to be used on pvp skills but as long as they have some kinda pvp rank requirement it could work. the higher your rank the better the skills u can buy

SilverWF

This will bring too big difference between old players and new - last ones even will didn't want to play PVP!
Look at current Emperors - they are like a gods! Thank God there can be only one Emperor.
But you want to make the same OP for every old_zerg_runner, right?

thelg

They have 50 ranks now, and getting to 50 is going to take a at least a year probably more without exploiting. So they did think about it, they just need to add more passives, more skills etc

Problem is that in DAOC you could as many skills as you wanted. Here we have 5 + ult per bar. So even they add more it won't work the same way

What I would love is having AvA ranks open new morphs on regular skills.

drogon1

SilverWF wrote: »

This will bring too big difference between old players and new - last ones even will didn't want to play PVP!
Look at current Emperors - they are like a gods! Thank God there can be only one Emperor.
But you want to make the same OP for every old_zerg_runner, right?

Search "daoc realm ranks" on Google. Read. Then return and comment when you actually have something to say.

drogon1

thelg wrote: »

They have 50 ranks now, and getting to 50 is going to take a at least a year probably more without exploiting. So they did think about it, they just need to add more passives, more skills etc

Problem is that in DAOC you could as many skills as you wanted. Here we have 5 + ult per bar. So even they add more it won't work the same way

What I would love is having AvA ranks open new morphs on regular skills.

That's a good point Thelg, never thought of that. ESO would need to create a separate bar for active type realm rank reward abilities, except of course the passives. Which might not work with the limited UI of consoles (I wouldn't know never owned one). Too bad too, because ESO RvR is a good game to implement something like that.

drogon1

Kewljag_66_ESO wrote: »

People bring them up alot but i havent heard the pvp dev say anything about it. there is alot of things they could do similiar, they already have 50 alliance ranks, they could ass a skill point of 2 to each rank to spend on stuff added. Corrently you get a universal skill point for any of your skills but we need a special PVP list or atleast greatly increase the current Alliance rank slill list. Could add more lines like fighter, mage, thief, and so on. i dont care for abilities as we are already limited on our bar, it needs to be alot of passive stuff and increases. I dont like teh idea of skill points gained in PVE to be used on pvp skills but as long as they have some kinda pvp rank requirement it could work. the higher your rank the better the skills u can buy

Yep good ideas.

SilverWF

drogon1 wrote: »

Search "daoc realm ranks" on Google. Read. Then return and comment when you actually have something to say.

Google "TESO Alliance War system", read, think, read again, think more, notice what there is already good PVP-rank system. And do not come back please.

drogon1

SilverWF wrote: »

drogon1 wrote: »

Search "daoc realm ranks" on Google. Read. Then return and comment when you actually have something to say.

Google "TESO Alliance War system", read, think, read again, think more, notice what there is already good PVP-rank system. And do not come back please.

LOL, you assert that ESO's realm rank system is better than DAOC's, and yet show zero knowledge of the latter. Well then, I believe you!

Sharee

Yes i would very much like this.

kaosodin

SilverWF wrote: »

drogon1 wrote: »

Search "daoc realm ranks" on Google. Read. Then return and comment when you actually have something to say.

Google "TESO Alliance War system", read, think, read again, think more, notice what there is already good PVP-rank system. And do not come back please.

Idiotic thing to say. Daoc RR system is the only way to go, should have from the start...it is what it is...they will not change it.

I play eso for the immersion. I play daoc for the REAL pvp, rvr. There is nothing in the world that comes even close to the epicness of daoc....graphifs are decent.... but the pvp. Only pvp game with positional attacks..... side stuns...rear attack snares.

Now daoc pve...... omg... you hate eso pve.... play daoc.....

Ps. Daoc mordred server..... full pvp...you left a main city...bring your boys..... in a dungeon grinding..... one player would seriously be the look out...his only job.

Daoc and vent..... epic.... to hear people calling for positional attacks.

Got a 50 blademaster

And a 50 nightshade....

HIBERNIA!

Pps, omg just remembered..... on mordred, when a item dropped, sometimes there would be arguments..... it always ended with some one dropping group and face poinding the other dude in the group...made some wicked lol and o crqp moments.

SilverWF

drogon1 wrote: »

SilverWF wrote: »

drogon1 wrote: »

Search "daoc realm ranks" on Google. Read. Then return and comment when you actually have something to say.

Google "TESO Alliance War system", read, think, read again, think more, notice what there is already good PVP-rank system. And do not come back please.

LOL, you assert that ESO's realm rank system is better than DAOC's, and yet show zero knowledge of the latter. Well then, I believe you!

I've asked you before to explain this system, coz not everyone here are playing DAOC. You are didn't. All you have - go and Google it. Ok, I've Googled it, but all i can find is some strange tables with titles (already here), amount of RVR-exp needed (already here) and some strange "+XX skill" parameter. This says me nothing.
I've played WAR and I didn't want this system here.

Sleevez340

Amazing idea. However with the new wave of gameplay. You can get to VR1 in 2 days, and VR 12 in a week and people are still crying that the VR grind is too long, and they are threatening to quit cuz they are the most important ppl in the world. If they put the DAoC RR model into cyrodiil, by the jesus so many people would just quit because they cant face a lengthly challenge like that, the new community of children that support the MMO community is not into the remote concept of hard core gaming. They want instant gratification for the least amount of effort.

Sleevez340

kaosodin wrote: »

SilverWF wrote: »

drogon1 wrote: »

Search "daoc realm ranks" on Google. Read. Then return and comment when you actually have something to say.

Google "TESO Alliance War system", read, think, read again, think more, notice what there is already good PVP-rank system. And do not come back please.

Idiotic thing to say. Daoc RR system is the only way to go, should have from the start...it is what it is...they will not change it.

I play eso for the immersion. I play daoc for the REAL pvp, rvr. There is nothing in the world that comes even close to the epicness of daoc....graphifs are decent.... but the pvp. Only pvp game with positional attacks..... side stuns...rear attack snares.

Now daoc pve...... omg... you hate eso pve.... play daoc.....

Ps. Daoc mordred server..... full pvp...you left a main city...bring your boys..... in a dungeon grinding..... one player would seriously be the look out...his only job.

Daoc and vent..... epic.... to hear people calling for positional attacks.

Got a 50 blademaster

And a 50 nightshade....

HIBERNIA!

Pps, omg just remembered..... on mordred, when a item dropped, sometimes there would be arguments..... it always ended with some one dropping group and face poinding the other dude in the group...made some wicked lol and o crqp moments.

Nostalgia chills to the max, Daoc, i didnt play past the first expansion, but for those first 2 years. I was having a good time. Climbing keep walls and perf'n casters like a boss. (50 Shadowblade, Igraine server) And a little 24 Rune master i made for Thidranki (sp?) back in the day to just aoe spam the *** out of the hordes of albs/hibs at that keep.

kaosodin

Daoc rvr works like this.

When you hit level 50. You become Realm Rank 1 level 1.... and you get 1 poknt to put into special skills..... a ton of them.....but orientated to your toon.

As you battle and have fun....make kills or be apart of kills.....you get to Realm Rank 1 level 2..... and you get another point....all the way to Realm Rank 12 level 0.

Now here is where it gets good...... as you raise in realm ranks, you hit 4 different plateaus..... that give you a slightly better damage table and defence table....it a perk of having a high level RR.... example.... RR 1 vs a RR 12 almost has no chance in a equal one on one.

All I have to say is dude..... play it..... in fact... im playing right now.

I have spent many loving , quality YEARS on daoc defending..... I have made life long friends over the internet....people I speak and play with on ventrillo daily

If you do not love daoc and alienate your friends from day one, I will give you 3x your money back.

3 realms with 3 motifs...... hibernia home of elves, lurikeens (they are so cute I want to pinch there little cheaks) foirbolgs....etc..... each realm have 6 races on each side... like 12 races in game.

2nd realm. Is albion.... motif of king arthur and knights and armkr.

3rd realm is midgard, home of norse mythology, home of norseman thanes that fore AoE hammers from thor that shred the ground.

Play IT.....

kaosodin

This is nothing like war, or wow or eq..... it is its own beast that every one want to copy

kaosodin

Also in daoc there are like 10 clases on each side...... 30 different classes in the game, and they are true.... paladins in albion. Have divine chants that heal them in battle....they have lay hands instant heal

Stealth in that game is un rivaled. ....there are full blown stealth wars...

In hibernia a stealthier is called a Nightshade and they get certain abilitys like cast of darkness, a dd spell.

In aldion a stealthier is called a infiltrator.... and they get bonuses to certain weapons.

In midgard... the stealthier is called a shadow blade..... they have the ability to use a 2 handed weapon from stealth.

There attacks are based on position, side of target, front of target.... and some attacks have chains.

If my nihtshade sees you, and your comming to me...... all of a sudden. POW.... I Hit you with attack 1, perforate artery....if I land it....I get to move onto to second attack in chain...achilles heal..... ill spin and slash your heel, snaring you 60%.......now you turn to run....because I have caught you off guard and you know I have you.... after the second chain,, the 3rd becomes abailable, envisorate...stunning you in place for 5 second, unable to react or change position....

Battles require real time thought... and attention to position.

Im sorry im gushing....... I just love the game and was hoping eso was gojng to be the next thing......

Eso rvr is weak..... spamming buttons blah blah.....no thought....no benefit from using different abilitys.....

SilverWF

kaosodin wrote: »

Play IT.....

Thanks for some kind of explanation, but no.

And as I said before, this "RR 1 vs a RR 12 almost has no chance in a equal one on one" will force ppl to hate PVP.
as far I know, DAOC is highly PVP-oriented game and have very poor population now.
TESO never was as PVP-only game, PVP here is more for fun (like WvW in GW2) than for sport (like sPVP in GW2) or for main game thing (like in Lineage2), so this game have slightly different auditory.

As I said before again, this game have it's own PVP-rank system. It's not pretty good, but not bad too. Yes, it's nearly have not affect on PVE (keeps buffs not included here - I'm talking about skills only) and this is good.
Look at this forum: most of ppl ready to cry a rivers for every little reason. I'm afraid to imagine, what they will do if some zerg_runners will have a huge advantage in the PVE too.
And add here an oceans of cry about too hard/long reaching max RVR-rank and "no chances" against max ranked players.
This is another generation, they will better moan than hard working, you know...

As I've said before (3rd time repeat this!): thank God here is only 1 Emperor possible and I didn't want to add more Emperors, really. Because even 2 Emperors will just steamroll the whole campaign.

kaosodin

Sleevez340 wrote: »

kaosodin wrote: »

SilverWF wrote: »

drogon1 wrote: »

Search "daoc realm ranks" on Google. Read. Then return and comment when you actually have something to say.

Google "TESO Alliance War system", read, think, read again, think more, notice what there is already good PVP-rank system. And do not come back please.

Idiotic thing to say. Daoc RR system is the only way to go, should have from the start...it is what it is...they will not change it.

I play eso for the immersion. I play daoc for the REAL pvp, rvr. There is nothing in the world that comes even close to the epicness of daoc....graphifs are decent.... but the pvp. Only pvp game with positional attacks..... side stuns...rear attack snares.

Now daoc pve...... omg... you hate eso pve.... play daoc.....

Ps. Daoc mordred server..... full pvp...you left a main city...bring your boys..... in a dungeon grinding..... one player would seriously be the look out...his only job.

Daoc and vent..... epic.... to hear people calling for positional attacks.

Got a 50 blademaster

And a 50 nightshade....

HIBERNIA!

Pps, omg just remembered..... on mordred, when a item dropped, sometimes there would be arguments..... it always ended with some one dropping group and face poinding the other dude in the group...made some wicked lol and o crqp moments.

Nostalgia chills to the max, Daoc, i didnt play past the first expansion, but for those first 2 years. I was having a good time. Climbing keep walls and perf'n casters like a boss. (50 Shadowblade, Igraine server) And a little 24 Rune master i made for Thidranki (sp?) back in the day to just aoe spam the *** out of the hordes of albs/hibs at that keep.

You have street cred, I know you have been there..... good ole thid

/salute my friend

kaosodin

Sorry brother didnt realize you were talking about the emperor system

theyancey

I enjoyed DAOC as well as many other games of the genre. That is not now what I want to play though. If I did I would buy one of their clones. I am quite satisfied with the mostly single player MMO that ESO is evolving into however. Still, I can see some improvements and tweeks from those games added if it does not make ESO mirror them too much.

SilverWF

kaosodin wrote: »

Sorry brother didnt realize you were talking about the emperor system

Not exactly. Emperor - means max ranked player in comparison with low ranked.
This will be the same.
Sure, some hard work (in reaching max rank) must have it's own advantages. Or just power leveled to max (how it was in WAR).
You know, 100RR players in WAR was so powerful! 100RR player was able to oneshot poor 60-RR player. Ppl was forced to sit in Tier3 zones for months to reach at least 70RR to able wear 1st good PVP-set - Sovereign. And you start feeling some kind of power only at 80RR!
But TESO have common zone for all ranks, and nobody will care to find worth opponent: "Noobie? Nwm, steamroll him! Lol, pwnd, next!". And yes, I know, this is for PVP-games exists, and I like it too. But I understand, there is minority of players like we are

kaosodin

In daoc to get to the max Realm Rank as a casual player takes years im talking 2 kr 3.

SilverWF

kaosodin wrote: »

In daoc to get to the max Realm Rank as a casual player takes years im talking 2 kr 3.

In the WAR too: 1 or even 2 years, because a higher rank you are, then lesser points you are receive for killing lower ranked players, taking keeps etc.
In the other way, power leveling takes 3 days only

sagitter

And add here an oceans of cry about too hard/long reaching max RVR-rank and "no chances" against max ranked players.
This is another generation, they will better moan than hard working, you know...

I love Daoc, but infortunately this is truly true.

Fuzzylumpkins

Wont happen. Realm ranks in DAoC had came with rewards of new abilities. This games answer to RR was to give players crap useless VRs that forced you to upgrade gear every few weeks for 2 points of magika.

Realm Ranks and realm abilities displayed good production, creative coding and complex points systems. TESO has failed on all of these levels.

@those who do not know what realm ranks are:
Players kills players /completes objectives such as keep takes, etc-
Player is rewarded with realm points and at specific points in the system
I.E. Realm Rank 1.1 requires 500 points to ding realm rank 1.2 at which you get 1 skill point to spend on realm abilities at your trainer.

You, the player, could customise your skill points into 20+ different skills that would advance your RvR play. The ranks and points grew exponentially after RR2 and very few of us reached the RR13 cap but when you did, you would be rewarded with a realm specific title and the players of other realms can see your character name. That being the effective version of the high emperor status. Only in DAoC it was earned and couldn't simply be traded in crappy dead campaigns.

TESO is too poorly produced and designed to offer anything seriously individual such as realm rank systems.

Fuzzylumpkins

theyancey wrote: »

I enjoyed DAOC as well as many other games of the genre. That is not now what I want to play though. If I did I would buy one of their clones. I am quite satisfied with the mostly single player MMO that ESO is evolving into however. Still, I can see some improvements and tweeks from those games added if it does not make ESO mirror them too much.

DAoC is still going. Hell I am working on my second RR13 (RR12L6 mins) now. You wouldn't need to buy a clone.

Anyways I am confused by your statement. How is perfection not what you are interested in playing? ESO doesn't have enough content to support pve unless you are interested in repeating the same damn "milk carton" missing person quest 1500 times (honest to goodness there are 1500 of them between the 3 campaigns) and the "raid" content is diluted junk while Cyrodil is 1 huge lag fest and exploit run.

Kewljag_66_ESO

SilverWF wrote: »

This will bring too big difference between old players and new - last ones even will didn't want to play PVP!
Look at current Emperors - they are like a gods! Thank God there can be only one Emperor.
But you want to make the same OP for every old_zerg_runner, right?

Zerg runners dont make alliance points remotely close to what good groups and tactical solo players. This isnt GW2 you dont get full rewards for tagging the enemy once, points are divided by group damage done. You can zerg all day and not make teh rewards of a roaming group or ambush players can make in an hour