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3 mob groups using duel wield on a "broken" NB
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Hilgara✭✭✭✭✭Broken Night Blades? How exactly is this "Broken"??
Hell, you're doing better at slaying skeltons than my Dual Wield Dragon Knight has been doing at just fighting anything the last couple of days!
Because to even have a chance to kill those mobs, he has to use Shadow Cloak repeatedly .
I dont get this. The cloak is our main damage mitigation ability. Of course I use it and anyone not using it only has themselves to blame. Or are you going to start calling me a cheat because I use the abilities that are supplied for my class?
Which reminds me....no animation cancelling used here either.Edited by Hilgara on June 24, 2014 7:50PM1 -
kelly.medleyb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Broken Night Blades? How exactly is this "Broken"??
Hell, you're doing better at slaying skeltons than my Dual Wield Dragon Knight has been doing at just fighting anything the last couple of days!
Because to even have a chance to kill those mobs, he has to use Shadow Cloak repeatedly .
I dont get this. The cloak is our main damage mitigation ability. Of course I use it and anyone not using it only has themselves to blame. Or are you going to start calling me a cheat because I use the abilities that are supplied for my class?
Which reminds me....no animation cancelling used here either.
He means it makes you a one trick dog and pony show... you can play one specific way, 5 cloth spamming SC get it now? Also, this trick doesn't work in AvA as shadow cloak is a joke.2 -
Hilgara✭✭✭✭✭kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »
Nope, didn't mention staff at all, just the fact that you are using light armor to facilitate your dog and pony trick of spamming invisibility.
Check my edit on the post above, I get it now, it's just that I don't see why it needs to be said it's so obvious that VR difficulty is not an issue except that it may be to easy, only that NB can't even hold a candle to the other three classes especially in AvA.
Again, not my argument. Despite you trying to drag me into everyone elses. I am only saying that difficulty is not the issue, boring? maybe Class balances probably. Difficulty NO!2 -
kelly.medleyb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »
Nope, didn't mention staff at all, just the fact that you are using light armor to facilitate your dog and pony trick of spamming invisibility.
Check my edit on the post above, I get it now, it's just that I don't see why it needs to be said it's so obvious that VR difficulty is not an issue except that it may be to easy, only that NB can't even hold a candle to the other three classes especially in AvA.
Again, not my argument. Despite you trying to drag me into everyone elses. I am only saying that difficulty is not the issue, boring? maybe Class balances probably. Difficulty NO!
Agreed.1 -
Hilgara✭✭✭✭✭kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »
He means it makes you a one trick dog and pony show... you can play one specific way, 5 cloth spamming SC get it now? Also, this trick doesn't work in AvA as shadow cloak is a joke.
Who mentioned AvA? This is to counter the argument that 3 trash mobs are too hard in Vet PvE?1 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭love to see you do this at a keep resource in cryodiil, like the farms or maybe one of the mines, or even the lumber mills?
why not? we all know dragonights and sorcerers can solo those so why cant this be done on a nightblade?
or what about pvp itself? i mean, we see sorcerers and dragonights solo 3 players in pvp so why cant we see this done in pvp?
and im not trying to be rude or condescending in any way, im just asking a ligit question.1 -
Hilgara✭✭✭✭✭Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »love to see you do this at a keep resource in cryodiil, like the farms or maybe one of the mines, or even the lumber mills?
why not? we all know dragonights and sorcerers can solo those so why cant this be done on a nightblade?
or what about pvp itself? i mean, we see sorcerers and dragonights solo 3 players in pvp so why cant we see this done in pvp?
and im not trying to be rude or condescending in any way, im just asking a ligit question.
<sigh> look at the post above
Why is everyone looking to drag me into their arguments?Edited by Hilgara on June 24, 2014 8:05PM0 -
orablast✭✭✭I'll stick with my 7/7 medium armor with DW & Bow, thank you.
Buff Elude
target 1
-backstab ambush
- Soul Harvest
- If not dead, yet, then Killer's Blade
target 2
- ambush
- Blood Craze
- Rapid Strike
- Invigorating drain
- Killer's Blade
target 3
Rinse and repeat steps from target 2.
Edit: Corrected Morph names.
PS. It helps to be a dancing master. Separate the pack, keep circle strafing to the back of the target.
Armor sets: 5/5 Night Mother | 3/3 Vampire KissEdited by orablast on June 24, 2014 8:30PMGuild Master of Thornblade
Daggerfall Covenant1 -
Hilgara✭✭✭✭✭I'll stick with my 7/7 medium armor with DW & Bow, thank you.
Buff Evasion
target 1
-backstab ambush
- Soul Harvest
- If not dead, yet, then Killer's Blade
target 2
- ambush
- Blood Craze
- Rapid Strike
- Drain Essence
- Killer's Blade
target 3
Rinse and repeat steps from target 2.
Cool whatever works. Meduim armour too. another dent in the "too difficult" house of cards0 -
nerevarine1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Very similar to my tactics. I just use Invigorating drain for healing and Haste for consistent stamina regen. Also, if my ultimate's charged, I'll just lay down Veil of Blades or a Bat Swarm.
The dual-wield Nightblade class is only "broken" if you don't use your class abilities.----
Murray?1 -
KleanZlate✭✭✭My NB is VR7 at the moment. I've paid once to respec my skill points and twice for ability points. Playing as a Nightblade has been a huge learning curve. When I'm doing solo vet content I've pretty much used the same method as the op although I'm always in full medium armor with DW and bow. Recently I've relied less on Shadow Cloak and more on my DW abilities. I usually have my leeching strikes on when battling multiple mobs. I always try to start with SC and Concealed weapon though. You can get the first mob out of the way pretty quickly that way. Another thing to watch out for of course are heavy melee attacks. Block incoming heavy attacks and continue on another mob while they're disorientated.
This is good for solo play. As for AvA well... I'm learning there too. If I can't stun my enemy I´m pretty much screwed and I have to rely on my friends for killing. NB have some good escape mechanics though especially when combined with vamp sneaking passive. Using shadow cloak, roll dodge (with armor speed boost) and some thought behind which direction I'm going, I've managed to get out of many a sticky situation. Even after being ganked by more than one enemy.
As for Vet content being boring... I don't quite get that. As I said, my NB is VR7 and I'm in my third alliance zones and for me it's not much different from the low level content. New quests, new content, new places to explore... What more do you want exactly...?1 -
Hilgara✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »Very similar to my tactics. I just use Invigorating drain for healing and Haste for consistent stamina regen. Also, if my ultimate's charged, I'll just lay down Veil of Blades or a Bat Swarm.
The dual-wield Nightblade class is only "broken" if you don't use your class abilities.
I really need to get Vamp. If for the stealth speed bonus if nothing else.Edited by Hilgara on June 24, 2014 8:23PM0 -
nerevarine1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »Very similar to my tactics. I just use Invigorating drain for healing and Haste for consistent stamina regen. Also, if my ultimate's charged, I'll just lay down Veil of Blades or a Bat Swarm.
The dual-wield Nightblade class is only "broken" if you don't use your class abilities.
I really need to get Vamp. If for the stealth speed bonus if nothing else.
It's really helpful. I have the Surprise Attack morph on my Veiled Strike because I already move like a ninja in stealth.----
Murray?0 -
Hilgara✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Very similar to my tactics. I just use Invigorating drain for healing and Haste for consistent stamina regen. Also, if my ultimate's charged, I'll just lay down Veil of Blades or a Bat Swarm.
The dual-wield Nightblade class is only "broken" if you don't use your class abilities.
I really need to get Vamp. If for the stealth speed bonus if nothing else.
It's really helpful. I have the Surprise Attack morph on my Veiled Strike because I already move like a ninja in stealth.
I have all class abilities maxed. I levelled them all then respeced and levelled the other morph so I can switch. I prefer Surprise attack though.0 -
ecoloSoul Shriven
He uses a lot of shadow cloak while above 35% magicka. He won't be able to use it after the patch like that. He'll only be able to cast it once he's down less than 35% magicka.
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ecoloSoul Shriven
You are using shadow cloak a lot when above 35% of your magicka. After the patch you won't be able to do that anymore.0 -
Hilgara✭✭✭✭✭
Seriously, read what you wrote. It means I CAN cast below 35% not that I cant cast above 35 %
He uses a lot of shadow cloak while above 35% magicka. He won't be able to use it after the patch like that. He'll only be able to cast it once he's down less than 35% magicka.Edited by Hilgara on June 24, 2014 8:46PM0 -
Broken Night Blades? How exactly is this "Broken"??
Hell, you're doing better at slaying skeltons than my Dual Wield Dragon Knight has been doing at just fighting anything the last couple of days!
seriously, that was some rogue slayin right there. +1 to knowing how to play a class the fun way.0 -
nerevarine1138✭✭✭✭✭
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You are using shadow cloak a lot when above 35% of your magicka. After the patch you won't be able to do that anymore.
You... you really didn't understand the patch notes, did you?
The ability was broken. When you were below 35% magicka, it wasn't usable. After the patch, it will be.----
Murray?0 -
Most_Awesome✭✭✭✭✭Hilgara Your videos show how most NB players want to play, some of us have done, but what most players are upset about is not that its too hard to fight mobs of 3 but at how much easier it is with LA+Staff.
Can your build do this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEisoxn-qfo&list=UUn_QjZhrcWAgLxf587GS_NA
I was a swtor Operative, and a gw2 Thief, I chose the NB as thats the equivalent in ESO, if I could stealth and Dance around like in your videos and still do the same as the video I posted, then that right there would put a stop to people moaning on these forums.
The weapon/class/armour skill balance in this game needs a hell of a lot of work, I dont have a clue how they are going to do it but one thing for sure is the games been out too long now to nerf LA+Staff down to a melee class build.1 -
RGJACKETUKb16_ESO wrote: »
I was a swtor Operative, and a gw2 Thief, I chose the NB as thats the equivalent in ESO, if I could stealth and Dance around like in your videos and still do the same as the video I posted, then that right there would put a stop to people moaning on these forums.
The weapon/class/armour skill balance in this game needs a hell of a lot of work, I dont have a clue how they are going to do it but one thing for sure is the games been out too long now to nerf LA+Staff down to a melee class build.
I played those same classes. Were great stealther classes. Especially the Theif in GW2.
Then I played this NB. The worst stealth class I have ever played. I had hopes of my Shadowblade from DAOC. Open world PvP... man it sounded great... Then you play and you cant get near anyone to actually attack them. It is very very rare.
I'm hoping for some class balance at some point. I follow the twitter so when changes are made that I like I will likely resub. Until then I will be sad and wait.
**Note that when I mean a stealther class, I mean backstabbing dual wielding awesomeness. No cloth. No staves. No bows.1 -
khele23eb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Are some of our skills/passives still not working right? Is the staff/cloth build still twice as effective (or more) in the situation youve shown and many others? For me that seems pretty broken. Not as in 'unplayable'-broken but as in 'buggy' and 'awful build balance'-broken.Edited by khele23eb17_ESO on June 25, 2014 4:34AMP2P offered you 'hell yeah!' moments. F2P offers you 'thank god its over' moments.0 -
Hilgara✭✭✭✭✭RGJACKETUKb16_ESO wrote: »Hilgara Your videos show how most NB players want to play, some of us have done, but what most players are upset about is not that its too hard to fight mobs of 3 but at how much easier it is with LA+Staff.
Can your build do thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEisoxn-qfo&list=UUn_QjZhrcWAgLxf587GS_NA
I was a swtor Operative, and a gw2 Thief, I chose the NB as thats the equivalent in ESO, if I could stealth and Dance around like in your videos and still do the same as the video I posted, then that right there would put a stop to people moaning on these forums.
The weapon/class/armour skill balance in this game needs a hell of a lot of work, I dont have a clue how they are going to do it but one thing for sure is the games been out too long now to nerf LA+Staff down to a melee class build.
I have both staffs maxed and all the abilities. I chose the swords to prove that its doable without using staffs. I dont use staffs because I have levelled a sorc and it would be too much of the same.
Its more challenging with swords but also more fun for me. The vid was in response to those saying trash mob groups were too difficult or could only be done with staffs. Some even accused me of lying so the vid was to shut them up.0 -
D2player87✭✭Hi OP, nice videos truely. Just wondering if you use swallow soul or its other morph to improve your damage. I see you have an abundance of magicka but you are using alot of it on cloaking, which is kind of a dps loss. Light attack swallow soul weaving with siphoning strikes on is op imo.0 -
D2player87✭✭To those who champion aoe attacks, and say 1v1s are obsolete, I could see how I myself could go through those fights, with swallow soul, normal attacks, some crippling grasp. I could use dw and supplement the build with stamina attacks when my magicka runs up. I myself am vr6, and the mobs are really not that hard.0
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pinstripesc✭✭✭Everything's gotta turn into an argument.
Thanks for the video. That one comment about Shadow Cloak only being usable under 35% made me !!!! and recheck the patch notes, haha.0 -
Hilgara✭✭✭✭✭D2player87 wrote: »Hi OP, nice videos truely. Just wondering if you use swallow soul or its other morph to improve your damage. I see you have an abundance of magicka but you are using alot of it on cloaking, which is kind of a dps loss. Light attack swallow soul weaving with siphoning strikes on is op imo.
Don't use swallow soul because I don't need the healing. How can the cloak be a DPS loss. Its 100% crit and 4 second stun with every opener. Its not a DPS race anyway. I'm not fighting a boss with a rage timer. All I need to do is kill the mobs and not die.
Edited by Hilgara on June 25, 2014 5:36AM0
