3 mob groups using duel wield on a "broken" NB

Hilgara

Ok a couple of videos to show that 3 mobs using melee is not too difficult with the right tactics. I'm on my NB using duel wield (swords) I'm not in the best gear and I am vet 8 killing vet 10 mobs. This made it more difficult because in vet 8 areas the first mob goes down in the first rotation but these dont always. I carry a resto staff for the mutegen pre buff and nothing more. I also pre buff Elude and Mirage and siphoning attacks before the encounter. I'm in 5 light and 2 medium, all crafted blue items. I never use a potion and never use my ultimate. The second one I messed up pretty bad when I accidentally targeted the wrong mob in the middle of the first rotation, but managed to recover with a good double uppercut block.

This isnt to show off. It's because some people have accused me of out right lying.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlUTib_4xLU&feature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzbUMC3nP_I&feature=youtu.be

Birfreben_Kinghelred

10 years ago this would be considered playing a rogue. Now its considered broken.

CTraveler

Broken Night Blades? How exactly is this "Broken"??

Hell, you're doing better at slaying skeltons than my Dual Wield Dragon Knight has been doing at just fighting anything the last couple of days!

Hilgara

CTraveler wrote: »

Broken Night Blades? How exactly is this "Broken"??

Hell, you're doing better at slaying skeltons than my Dual Wield Dragon Knight has been doing at just fighting anything the last couple of days!

The "broken" was my attempt to be ironic. The only thing that is broken is stamina builds. Nothing to do with NB's

CTraveler

Hilgara wrote: »

CTraveler wrote: »

Broken Night Blades? How exactly is this "Broken"??

Hell, you're doing better at slaying skeltons than my Dual Wield Dragon Knight has been doing at just fighting anything the last couple of days!

The "broken" was my attempt to be ironic. The only thing that is broken is stamina builds. Nothing to do with NB's

There *really* needs to be a "Sarcastic quote" font... ^^; I was actually agreeing with you, rhetorically asking those who claim NBs to be broken how exactly that's defined as broken....

NBs are definitely not broken at all.

ecolo

This tactic won't work anymore since the patch notes say: "Shadow Cloak: This ability can now be cast when you have less than 35% of your magicka."

Hilgara

CTraveler wrote: »

Hilgara wrote: »

CTraveler wrote: »

Broken Night Blades? How exactly is this "Broken"??

Hell, you're doing better at slaying skeltons than my Dual Wield Dragon Knight has been doing at just fighting anything the last couple of days!

The "broken" was my attempt to be ironic. The only thing that is broken is stamina builds. Nothing to do with NB's

There *really* needs to be a "Sarcastic quote" font... ^^; I was actually agreeing with you, rhetorically asking those who claim NBs to be broken how exactly that's defined as broken....

NBs are definitely not broken at all.

Soz I'm not up to date with all these new fangled techniques

Falmer

ecolo wrote: »

This tactic won't work anymore since the patch notes say: "Shadow Cloak: This ability can now be cast when you have less than 35% of your magicka."

How does that change anything, exactly?

Hilgara

ecolo wrote: »

This tactic won't work anymore since the patch notes say: "Shadow Cloak: This ability can now be cast when you have less than 35% of your magicka."

<sigh> go back and read again

Xsorus

You realize I can do exactly what you're doing while wearing Light Armor and a Staff Right?

In fact i've been leveling up doing exactly that.

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO

This exactly how I do it in execution, but I use medium armor and my 2nd bar is a bow pvp bar not much used in pve.

Surprise attack, blinding fury, killer strike, dead mob, shadow cloak, surprise attack 1 or 2 blinding fury, killer strike, dead mob, shadow cloak.....

And if something goes wrong like skills lock up or targeting system get confused you use invigorating drain to stun enemy and heal up.

Groups of 3 are interesting because you might die if things go wrong, but usually it is pretty routine.

Small bosses like you see in solo dungeons are surprise attack, 2 x blinding fury, incapacitating strike, 2 x blinding fury, shadow cloak, surprise attack, 2 x blinding fury, 2 to 3 killer blades.

Usually you are at full health after any of those fights.

Hilgara

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

You realize I can do exactly what you're doing while wearing Light Armor and a Staff Right?

In fact i've been leveling up doing exactly that.

Yep, I was just trying to show that you dont need staffs

yodased

You know whats really broken? My truck's A/C.

Hypertionb14_ESO

why not do what i do with Night Blade?

walk into a group of 10+ mobs and just spam Power Extraction and Soul Tether....

with 9 mobs you can use soul tether with just 3 or so casts of Power Extraction.... and with Siphoning Attacks you effectively can have infinite magicka... if you run out, use Steel Tornado a few times.. i 100% guarantee you will have the stam for it even if you have been blocking the entire time you are spamming Power Extraction...


vs undead with Evil Hunter you never run out of stam doing this...... unless you spam Steel Tornado...

as for using a staff in this... well having all that endless stam means that if for any reason you run out of Magicka, the Insane AOE on Steel tornado at least guarentees a restoration on your magicka and DW has the fastest rate of attacks for non Skill based siphoning attacks... all of which make it a better choice to add to this...


i throw on the NB Evasion spell as well if i am not fighting undead... so that tree reads like this..

Steel Tornado, Power Extraction, Blur(either morph)/Evil Hunter, Siphoning Attacks, Mage Light

Hilgara

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO wrote: »

This exactly how I do it in execution, but I use medium armor and my 2nd bar is a bow pvp bar not much used in pve.

Surprise attack, blinding fury, killer strike, dead mob, shadow cloak, surprise attack 1 or 2 blinding fury, killer strike, dead mob, shadow cloak.....

And if something goes wrong like skills lock up or targeting system get confused you use invigorating drain to stun enemy and heal up.

Groups of 3 are interesting because you might die if things go wrong, but usually it is pretty routine.

Small bosses like you see in solo dungeons are surprise attack, 2 x blinding fury, incapacitating strike, 2 x blinding fury, shadow cloak, surprise attack, 2 x blinding fury, 2 to 3 killer blades.

Usually you are at full health after any of those fights.

Yet another option....keep em comming. Lets pull the rug from under all these complainers about difficulty.

Gilvoth

CTraveler wrote: »

Broken Night Blades? How exactly is this "Broken"??

Hell, you're doing better at slaying skeltons than my Dual Wield Dragon Knight has been doing at just fighting anything the last couple of days!

hes playing solo, if he was in a cave, dungeon, or Trails, or with a group and those mobs were flying all over the place then basicly it would not turn out this controlled and easy.
his solo experiance is the only reason for success. if he had a healer targeting him constantly then he could do a whole lot more.
mainly thats the reason we are not requested for and wanted in group dungeons because we die easily from attacks that build up on our weak class.

Hilgara

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

CTraveler wrote: »

Broken Night Blades? How exactly is this "Broken"??

Hell, you're doing better at slaying skeltons than my Dual Wield Dragon Knight has been doing at just fighting anything the last couple of days!

hes playing solo, if he was in a cave, dungeon, or Trails, or with a group and those mobs were flying all over the place then basicly it would not turn out this controlled and easy.
his solo experiance is the only reason for success. if he had a healer targeting him constantly then he could do a whole lot more.
mainly thats the reason we are not requested for and wanted in group dungeons because we die easily from attacks that build up on our weak class.

In that case I would switch to AOE and staffs. Horses for courses. Play as you want but use the right tools for each situation or you are dust.

Veil of blades ultimate stacking is pretty sort after on trials BTW now. NBs are back in vogue in group content ....for now

Haxer

Light Armor/Resto is not proving anything.... the whole complaint is that NB should be able to do this with either of those.

beowulfsshield

Wow, guess I'm going to have to get me a skirt for my NB. At least you're only using a stick for a buff, so it isn't really "skirt and stick". Bravo.

How many tries did it take for you to get a video of you actually winning?

Honestly though...
People would probably be less upset if ZoS had named the class "Skirt Wearing Nightstick".

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO

Hilgara wrote: »

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO wrote: »

This exactly how I do it in execution, but I use medium armor and my 2nd bar is a bow pvp bar not much used in pve.

Surprise attack, blinding fury, killer strike, dead mob, shadow cloak, surprise attack 1 or 2 blinding fury, killer strike, dead mob, shadow cloak.....

And if something goes wrong like skills lock up or targeting system get confused you use invigorating drain to stun enemy and heal up.

Groups of 3 are interesting because you might die if things go wrong, but usually it is pretty routine.

Small bosses like you see in solo dungeons are surprise attack, 2 x blinding fury, incapacitating strike, 2 x blinding fury, shadow cloak, surprise attack, 2 x blinding fury, 2 to 3 killer blades.

Usually you are at full health after any of those fights.

Yet another option....keep em comming. Lets pull the rug from under all these complainers about difficulty.

Well it did take me quite a few deaths to perfect the timing and learn how to do it right.

My build is practically the same now as it was at lvl 49, but I have improved as a player by being challenged by the increasing difficulty in the veteran levels.

Overall the difficulty and satisfaction in getting better so you could beat it meant that for me veteran levels have been 10 times more fun than the regular levels.

But it is a rather unusual way of designing a mmo that the best improvement has to come from the players personal skill rather than getting better stuff and I can understand if many traditional mmo players are uncomfortable with it.

Hilgara

beowulfsshield wrote: »

Wow, guess I'm going to have to get me a skirt for my NB. At least you're only using a stick for a buff, so it isn't really "skirt and stick". Bravo.

How many tries did it take for you to get a video of you actually winning?
.

It was harder to master the recording than the mobs. 1st time I have ever done this

kelly.medleyb14_ESO

Hilgara wrote: »

This isnt to show off. It's because some people have accused me of out right lying.

Grats you just did in 46 seconds what any other class could do in 15.

How on earth could anyone misconstrue this as "showing off" when you didn't do anything special? Are the people you talk to really that bad?

Hilgara

kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »

Hilgara wrote: »

This isnt to show off. It's because some people have accused me of out right lying.

Grats you just did in 46 seconds what any other class could do in 15.

How on earth could anyone misconstrue this as "showing off" when you didn't do anything special? Are the people you talk to really that bad?

Yep, and you are correct. I see people of every class doing this quicker than me. But some people on here just wont accept that its a L2P issue. I would class myself as a casual player and if they make this any easier I might as well go back to wow.

LariahHunding

I can do it less than half the time with a 2-handed sword, first mob down in 2 seconds.

and VR CONTENT STILL SUCKS.

Keep spewing you apologist crap in every thread.

OP goes from thread to thread sucking up to ZoS.

beowulfsshield

kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »

Hilgara wrote: »

This isnt to show off. It's because some people have accused me of out right lying.

Grats you just did in 46 seconds what any other class could do in 15.

Wasn't going to mention that a skirt and stick Sorc could slice through that crap like a knife through hot butter, but since you did...

Hilgara

gougefub17_ESO wrote: »

I can do it less than half the time with a 2-handed sword, first mob down in 2 seconds.

and VR CONTENT STILL SUCKS.

Keep spewing you apologist crap in every thread.

OP goes from thread to thread sucking up to ZoS.

Actually I'm not defending the content. I has a long way to go. I'm just trying to argue that its not because its too difficult, I have said this again and again. I would not argue with those that say vet is boring. Only those that say its too difficult and I dont see how making it easier would stop it from being boring.

yodased

gougefub17_ESO wrote: »

I can do it less than half the time with a 2-handed sword, first mob down in 2 seconds.

and VR CONTENT STILL SUCKS.

Keep spewing you apologist crap in every thread.

OP goes from thread to thread sucking up to ZoS.

Thank god we have you to follow up and even that out for us right? I mean, who could possibly make their own informed choices without both Yin AND Yang represented?

Phew, lifesaver I tell ya.

kelly.medleyb14_ESO

beowulfsshield wrote: »

kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »

Hilgara wrote: »

This isnt to show off. It's because some people have accused me of out right lying.

Grats you just did in 46 seconds what any other class could do in 15.

Wasn't going to mention that a skirt and stick Sorc could slice through that crap like a knife through hot butter, but since you did...

Right, not to mention this NB is a skirt wearer and using the dog and pony trick that everyone knows is the only way you can possibly do groups that the other 3 classes can do easily in a few ways just rushing in and mowing them down.

Not sure what you are trying to prove Hilgara.

Edit:

Hilgara wrote: »

Yep, and you are correct. I see people of every class doing this quicker than me.

Read this late sorry, I agree with that sentiment and I get it now. NB are still the game on hard mode, but you are right the game isn't hard to begin with so it's not a big deal, until it comes to AvA......

Hilgara

kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »

beowulfsshield wrote: »

kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »

Hilgara wrote: »

This isnt to show off. It's because some people have accused me of out right lying.

Grats you just did in 46 seconds what any other class could do in 15.

Wasn't going to mention that a skirt and stick Sorc could slice through that crap like a knife through hot butter, but since you did...

Right, not to mention this NB is a skirt wearer and using the dog and pony trick that everyone knows is the only way you can possibly do groups that the other 3 classes can do easily in a few ways just rushing in and mowing them down.

Not sure what you are trying to prove Hilgara.

No staffs were used in combat. If you check my health bar the mutagen was never needed so I could have done it without the pre buff and to be honest usually do but you dont take chances when you are putting yourself on show.

You are really struggling now.

ArRashid

CTraveler wrote: »

Broken Night Blades? How exactly is this "Broken"??

Hell, you're doing better at slaying skeltons than my Dual Wield Dragon Knight has been doing at just fighting anything the last couple of days!

Because to even have a chance to kill those mobs, he has to use Shadow Cloak repeatedly and get about 5 buffs. Not to mention that takes about 25 seconds longer PER PACK than with any light+staff AoE build...
With VR questing being slow, non-AoE classes are facing A REALLY LONG AND BORING TIME.
Hell, my main is a DK pyromancer and I'm boring myself to death, still on VR4 (for about a week and a half). I rather exp two alts than to force myself to continue VR exping.

kelly.medleyb14_ESO

Hilgara wrote: »

kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »

beowulfsshield wrote: »

kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »

Hilgara wrote: »

This isnt to show off. It's because some people have accused me of out right lying.

Grats you just did in 46 seconds what any other class could do in 15.

Wasn't going to mention that a skirt and stick Sorc could slice through that crap like a knife through hot butter, but since you did...

Right, not to mention this NB is a skirt wearer and using the dog and pony trick that everyone knows is the only way you can possibly do groups that the other 3 classes can do easily in a few ways just rushing in and mowing them down.

Not sure what you are trying to prove Hilgara.

No staffs were used in combat. If you check my health bar the mutagen was never needed so I could have done it without the pre buff and to be honest usually do but you dont take chances when you are putting yourself on show.

You are really struggling now.

Nope, didn't mention staff at all, just the fact that you are using light armor to facilitate your dog and pony trick of spamming invisibility.

Check my edit on the post above, I get it now, it's just that I don't see why it needs to be said it's so obvious that VR difficulty is not an issue except that it may be to easy, only that NB can't even hold a candle to the other three classes especially in AvA.