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Worst community.
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✭✭✭✭✭marten_philip wrote: »So.. *snip*
If you are talking about Veteran level dungeons, it has nothing to do with the community. They are way over-tuned and even people that communicate well and try to inspire each other to press on through attrition run after attrition run, strategy after strategy, even groups that KNOW the strategy, eventually run out of soul gems and patience to keep mashing their heads against a brick wall of bad design choices.
The 1-50 dungeons were a total blast. I personally won't even attempt another veteran dungeon. I am a fairly skilled player and communicate well in a considerate and respectful fashion.
Sometimes, it ain't the player, its the game.0 -
Fuzzylumpkins✭✭✭✭Bad games breed bad a bad community. If it is a good game the community is focusing on the game. You will have several players left that are not happy with the current state of the game yet dumped all of their allowance into the title fee and subs. You are stuck with them until they can afford to move on. Turn off chat. Play the game as it was built, solo play.2
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marten_philip✭✭✭AlienDiplomat wrote: »marten_philip wrote: »So.. *snip*
If you are talking about Veteran level dungeons, it has nothing to do with the community. They are way over-tuned and even people that communicate well and try to inspire each other to press on through attrition run after attrition run, strategy after strategy, even groups that KNOW the strategy, eventually run out of soul gems and patience to keep mashing their heads against a brick wall of bad design choices.
The 1-50 dungeons were a total blast. I personally won't even attempt another veteran dungeon. I am a fairly skilled player and communicate well in a considerate and respectful fashion.
Sometimes, it ain't the player, its the game.
Those are challanges, and you could aspact things of the end game dungeons.
They are ment to be very hard, you'll have to run it sevral times to eventually get through.
But 6 wipes on the boss of BC because the healer is a socerer with only 1, aoe healing with duration of 3 seconds giving less heals than my knightblade siphoning skill is just playing stupid.0 -
Robocles✭✭✭✭✭marten_philip wrote: »Nazon_Katts wrote: »What's your level and more specifically, your server? I've not done most of low level dungeons and be glad to have a sidekick (or two, dem mobs hit hard still)
Well, currently I only own 1 character.
I started playing a argonian templar speccing healing.
But I had a hardtime progressing on my own once I was level 23 so I rerolled a dragon knight and got up to level 23. He was a heavy armor 2handed dammage dealer. Solo play was to easy and got boring really quickly.
THan I rolled a knightblade archer, with medium armor.
It's dmg was poor abnormally poor once I hit level 23..
I tried to reroll a ne wnightblade with cloth and destruction staf and siphoning which was awesome good dmg out put both solo play and dungeon / pvp play.
So there you have it.
I have played multiple classes and multiple roles.
All leading to the same issue, players groups being horrible .
What exactly is the purpose of your thread? Nazon just offered to run dungeons with you... and you respond about how hard it was to progress (or how easy on your DK) so you rerolled... do you want help? Or are you just here on a general rant?
Plenty of people have agreed with some of what you say, and you go off on another tangent.
Plenty have suggested potential solutions to alleviate what you say is bothering you, and you don't seem interested.
You will get out of it what you are willing to put into it.
Believe me, there are decent people/groups/guilds playing the game.
Make some effort to find them (at least one presented themselves to you in this very thread) and you will be much happier.1 -
Enkil✭✭✭✭✭
✭marten_philip wrote: »marten_philip wrote: »jelliedsoup wrote: »Sound as though a problem is language too. French and Germans are naturally going to stick together. Try the US server if the latency is not too bad.
Well at the risk of sounding racist.
I find it difficult to cope with people who decide to play a English languaged multiplayer game. And still prefer to use their own native language regardles of the set common public English language.
They even advertise in their own language and they don't and you reply on their add they will respond in their own language asuming you can understand.
Most of them do not even try, too use the general language.
For me it's spam, it's something I can't understand and it's something I do not wish to see plus it's something I can't propperly reply on.
It is not an "english languaged game".
Perhaps you just have to accept that not everything in chat is your business?
Or, by all means, disable general zone chat and enable english zone chat
ZEnimax Bethesda both are American companies ? am I not right.
The largest groups of the target consumers are English lanauged or people who adapt and accept the english language.
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Dude.... GROW UP! You might partially have a legit complaint but you are making yourself look like a total [snip].
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]
Edited by ZOS_ShannonM on June 22, 2014 3:52AM3 -
Nazon_Katts✭✭✭✭✭Alright, so you got all chars stuck at 23. We can duo the new world order in 5."You've probably figured that out by now. Let's hope so. Or we're in real trouble... and out come the intestines. And I skip rope with them!"0 -
marten_philip✭✭✭Fuzzylumpkins wrote: »Bad games breed bad a bad community. If it is a good game the community is focusing on the game. You will have several players left that are not happy with the current state of the game yet dumped all of their allowance into the title fee and subs. You are stuck with them until they can afford to move on. Turn off chat. Play the game as it was built, solo play.
Honestly can't believe how many people believe this game is actually designed to be a solo play game.
Most people can't even handle 2 mobs at the same time.
If Bethesda wanted to create another SP game they wouldhave released ES 6 and not a mmo.
And I didn't waste my "allowance" it just feels bad to waste my hard earned money on failing products. Without having a chance to test the product to see if it fits my entertainment needs before actually buying it.
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marten_philip✭✭✭marten_philip wrote: »marten_philip wrote: »jelliedsoup wrote: »Sound as though a problem is language too. French and Germans are naturally going to stick together. Try the US server if the latency is not too bad.
Well at the risk of sounding racist.
I find it difficult to cope with people who decide to play a English languaged multiplayer game. And still prefer to use their own native language regardles of the set common public English language.
They even advertise in their own language and they don't and you reply on their add they will respond in their own language asuming you can understand.
Most of them do not even try, too use the general language.
For me it's spam, it's something I can't understand and it's something I do not wish to see plus it's something I can't propperly reply on.
It is not an "english languaged game".
Perhaps you just have to accept that not everything in chat is your business?
Or, by all means, disable general zone chat and enable english zone chat
ZEnimax Bethesda both are American companies ? am I not right.
The largest groups of the target consumers are English lanauged or people who adapt and accept the english language. They added translated data for the handicapted French and German people.
Dude.... GROW UP! You might partially have a legit complaint but you are making yourself look like a total ***.
Making my self look like "random curseword, so mature btw" for pointing out your misleading information on my opinion.1 -
Alurria✭✭✭✭✭
✭marten_philip wrote: »marten_philip wrote: »jelliedsoup wrote: »Sound as though a problem is language too. French and Germans are naturally going to stick together. Try the US server if the latency is not too bad.
Well at the risk of sounding racist.
I find it difficult to cope with people who decide to play a English languaged multiplayer game. And still prefer to use their own native language regardles of the set common public English language.
They even advertise in their own language and they don't and you reply on their add they will respond in their own language asuming you can understand.
Most of them do not even try, too use the general language.
For me it's spam, it's something I can't understand and it's something I do not wish to see plus it's something I can't propperly reply on.
It is not an "english languaged game".
Perhaps you just have to accept that not everything in chat is your business?
Or, by all means, disable general zone chat and enable english zone chat
ZEnimax Bethesda both are American companies ? am I not right.
The largest groups of the target consumers are English lanauged or people who adapt and accept the english language. They added translated data for the handicapted French and German people.
No you don't sound racist, just intolerant and prejudice.5 -
Robocles✭✭✭✭✭marten_philip wrote: »marten_philip wrote: »jelliedsoup wrote: »Sound as though a problem is language too. French and Germans are naturally going to stick together. Try the US server if the latency is not too bad.
Well at the risk of sounding racist.
I find it difficult to cope with people who decide to play a English languaged multiplayer game. And still prefer to use their own native language regardles of the set common public English language.
They even advertise in their own language and they don't and you reply on their add they will respond in their own language asuming you can understand.
Most of them do not even try, too use the general language.
For me it's spam, it's something I can't understand and it's something I do not wish to see plus it's something I can't propperly reply on.
It is not an "english languaged game".
Perhaps you just have to accept that not everything in chat is your business?
Or, by all means, disable general zone chat and enable english zone chat
ZEnimax Bethesda both are American companies ? am I not right.
The largest groups of the target consumers are English lanauged or people who adapt and accept the english language. They added translated data for the handicapted French and German people.
No... they provided French and German localizations because that is a large part of their market in Europe.3 -
marten_philip✭✭✭Nazon_Katts wrote: »Alright, so you got all chars stuck at 23. We can duo the new world order in 5.
No I didn't get stuck, I could have gone further but I didn't find the class and build I like most until I tried a couple and reached that level.
The community complaint was legit on all levels on all toons.
I even ran a dungeon my dragon knight today.
It seems the only time I can finish a dungeon propperly is when I'm either tanking my self or when I'm healing. Other players just lack the skills to do so ending up in failing groups and a angry pug.1 -
Fuzzylumpkins✭✭✭✭marten_philip wrote: »Fuzzylumpkins wrote: »Bad games breed bad a bad community. If it is a good game the community is focusing on the game. You will have several players left that are not happy with the current state of the game yet dumped all of their allowance into the title fee and subs. You are stuck with them until they can afford to move on. Turn off chat. Play the game as it was built, solo play.
Honestly can't believe how many people believe this game is actually designed to be a solo play game.
Most people can't even handle 2 mobs at the same time.
If Bethesda wanted to create another SP game they wouldhave released ES 6 and not a mmo.
And I didn't waste my "allowance" it just feels bad to waste my hard earned money on failing products. Without having a chance to test the product to see if it fits my entertainment needs before actually buying it.
I am sure they really intended for it to be an MMO but it has played out better solo. I have never had an issue with a pack of mobs or an public/solo dungeon or world bosses. I have also had no issue clearing dolmens solo but I am sure that is player specific.
Searching for guilds that play in a like minded manner are the best option. Only many of them are depleted or have moved on.
I fully agree on the wasted money. I am still kicking myself for the money I invested in this heap. But Bethesda will never get another dime from me and many others. Such a bad taste left after this. I screwed myself over having played beta for months and known it was crap but still had high hopes for Cyrodil.0 -
marten_philip✭✭✭pieceofyarnb14_ESO wrote: »marten_philip wrote: »marten_philip wrote: »jelliedsoup wrote: »Sound as though a problem is language too. French and Germans are naturally going to stick together. Try the US server if the latency is not too bad.
Well at the risk of sounding racist.
I find it difficult to cope with people who decide to play a English languaged multiplayer game. And still prefer to use their own native language regardles of the set common public English language.
They even advertise in their own language and they don't and you reply on their add they will respond in their own language asuming you can understand.
Most of them do not even try, too use the general language.
For me it's spam, it's something I can't understand and it's something I do not wish to see plus it's something I can't propperly reply on.
It is not an "english languaged game".
Perhaps you just have to accept that not everything in chat is your business?
Or, by all means, disable general zone chat and enable english zone chat
ZEnimax Bethesda both are American companies ? am I not right.
The largest groups of the target consumers are English lanauged or people who adapt and accept the english language. They added translated data for the handicapted French and German people.
No you don't sound racist, just intolerant and prejudice.
Like you when you were asuming I was calling people names behind their backs ?Edited by marten_philip on June 21, 2014 10:46PM0 -
marten_philip✭✭✭marten_philip wrote: »marten_philip wrote: »jelliedsoup wrote: »Sound as though a problem is language too. French and Germans are naturally going to stick together. Try the US server if the latency is not too bad.
Well at the risk of sounding racist.
I find it difficult to cope with people who decide to play a English languaged multiplayer game. And still prefer to use their own native language regardles of the set common public English language.
They even advertise in their own language and they don't and you reply on their add they will respond in their own language asuming you can understand.
Most of them do not even try, too use the general language.
For me it's spam, it's something I can't understand and it's something I do not wish to see plus it's something I can't propperly reply on.
It is not an "english languaged game".
Perhaps you just have to accept that not everything in chat is your business?
Or, by all means, disable general zone chat and enable english zone chat
ZEnimax Bethesda both are American companies ? am I not right.
The largest groups of the target consumers are English lanauged or people who adapt and accept the english language. They added translated data for the handicapted French and German people.
No... they provided French and German localizations because that is a large part of their market in Europe.
Larger Market? I doubt that, you forget that they have subscriber in Scandinavia,Russia,Poland,Netherlands,Belgium,Spain,Portugal, and many other european countries, oh yeah and the U.k all using the English langauge to communicate.Edited by marten_philip on June 21, 2014 10:48PM1 -
Vunter✭✭✭Ahahahah, I like how you say "worst community" when..marten_philip wrote: »Like I said, self centered socially[snip] is on a very highlevel in this game.marten_philip wrote: »ZEnimax Bethesda both are American companies ? am I not right.
The largest groups of the target consumers are English lanauged or people who adapt and accept the english language.
Please don't put your hands on the keyboard anymore. I'm saying this only for your own sake
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Robocles✭✭✭✭✭marten_philip wrote: »marten_philip wrote: »marten_philip wrote: »jelliedsoup wrote: »Sound as though a problem is language too. French and Germans are naturally going to stick together. Try the US server if the latency is not too bad.
Well at the risk of sounding racist.
I find it difficult to cope with people who decide to play a English languaged multiplayer game. And still prefer to use their own native language regardles of the set common public English language.
They even advertise in their own language and they don't and you reply on their add they will respond in their own language asuming you can understand.
Most of them do not even try, too use the general language.
For me it's spam, it's something I can't understand and it's something I do not wish to see plus it's something I can't propperly reply on.
It is not an "english languaged game".
Perhaps you just have to accept that not everything in chat is your business?
Or, by all means, disable general zone chat and enable english zone chat
ZEnimax Bethesda both are American companies ? am I not right.
The largest groups of the target consumers are English lanauged or people who adapt and accept the english language. They added translated data for the handicapted French and German people.
No... they provided French and German localizations because that is a large part of their market in Europe.
Larger Market? I doubt that, you forget that they have subscriber in Scandinavia,Russia,Poland,Netherlands,Belgium,Spain,Portugal, and many other european countries, oh yeah and the U.k all using the English langauge to communicate.
And?
Yes... French and German speakers are a large part of their European market.
Look... enjoy the game, or not. If you don't want help, fine... be a tool, and rant.
Enjoy yourself.1 -
marten_philip✭✭✭I'm Dutch, and my English ain't that perfect. But instead of..
Alleen maar Nederlands uit mijn nek te [snip].
I choose to adapt and make my self understandable to other players using a common general language to communicate even though it can be difficult since I do not fully control the needed knowledge of the language.
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]Edited by ZOS_ShannonM on June 22, 2014 2:15AM1 -
Fuzzylumpkins✭✭✭✭I see what the thread has become , another soapbox for a player that refreshes it and responds every post and launches attacks at posters that have posted their version of exactly what the OP has posted.
Alright OP, you had a GD opportunity to try this heap before wasting money as open beta was live the month before release.
Game sucks, community isn't agreeable. It is an expensive meal you paid for that ended up being terrible. You ate it, you didn't like it, move on, try someone else's food.Edited by Fuzzylumpkins on June 21, 2014 10:55PM2 -
Fuzzylumpkins✭✭✭✭Ahahahah, I like how you say "worst community" when..marten_philip wrote: »ZEnimax Bethesda both are American companies ? am I not right.
The largest groups of the target consumers are English lanauged or people who adapt and accept the english language.
Please don't put your hands on the keyboard anymore. I'm saying this only for your own sake
All I can visualise is a full bag of vile filled cockroaches leaking all over a keyboard and hitting post every time I see the op reply to posters.
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Vunter✭✭✭marten_philip wrote: »I'm Dutch, and my English ain't that perfect. But instead of..
Alleen maar Nederlands uit mijn nek te[snip]
I choose to adapt and make my self understandable to other players using a common general language to communicate even though it can be difficult since I do not fully control the needed knowledge of the language.
I'm pretty sure that Dutch phrase is offensive, just guessing.
And there is /enzone for english.
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marten_philip✭✭✭Fuzzylumpkins wrote: »I see what the thread has become , another soapbox for a player that refreshes it and responds every post and launches attacks at posters that have posted their version of exactly what the OP has posted.
Alright OP, you had a GD opportunity to try this heal before wasting money as open beta was live the month before release.
Game sucks, community isn't agreeable. It is an expensive meal you paid for that ended up being terrible. You ate it, you didn't like it, move on, try someone else's food.
FALSE,
You can't compare BETA events with the real deal.
They are two total different things.
I was very sceptical durin gthe BETA, but I didn't let it cloud my judgement.
Further more, you said " a player that refreshes it and responds every post and launches attacks" Is it wrong for me to reply on the post ment for me? And I'm not attacking. I reply with my opinion on a other person's opinion.
Some of them offended me resulting in a reflecting answer from me.
This is exactly the same thing happening in game.
A large group disagrees starts insulting me critisize the insulter and suddenly I'm the bad guy.
Do me a favor. If you do not like this topic move allong these aren't the messages you are looking for.1 -
BaazarLykanSoul ShrivenIf your wanting it have a group experience you need to find you a guild. I am sure in the forums there are topic for guilds. If your looking for help when your soloing things you just need to follow someone. Stop running around expecting for others to follow you. I haven't had a single problem with people not helping. I just help them which gets the job done for both.
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Phinix1✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Fuzzylumpkins wrote: »Game sucks, community isn't agreeable. It is an expensive meal you paid for that ended up being terrible. You ate it, you didn't like it, move on, try someone else's food.
While I don't entirely agree with you here, I wanted to compliment your use of metaphor. Very punchy.
Wait... I just complimented someone I didn't agree with in a thread about the community sucking. is that irony? O_OEdited by Phinix1 on June 21, 2014 11:02PM2 -
cigarsmoker✭✭✭Sorry to hear you've had some bad times. Perhaps you should get on the US server, I've never had a bad group on it and I've PUG'd every 4 man dungeon but one and we finished them all."900 years of Time and Space and I've never met anyone who was unimportant" - The 9th incarnation of The Doctor1 -
marten_philip✭✭✭BaazarLykan wrote: »If your wanting it have a group experience you need to find you a guild. I am sure in the forums there are topic for guilds. If your looking for help when your soloing things you just need to follow someone. Stop running around expecting for others to follow you. I haven't had a single problem with people not helping. I just help them which gets the job done for both.
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That is not the issue here, I think you have misled with the current multiple offtopics in this main topic.
I only encountered some difficulties levelling a FULL healer templar in cloth with no offensive abillities.
All other toons managed to do fine.
It's the group events that troubled me and the general chats.
And finding a actual guild that doesn't care about it's personal progression rather than a group progression is hard to find. Many of these players have deserted from wow and are poluting the wow play style in to this game.
Thinking they can run through a dungeon with only 4 dmg and no tank and healer.
Having to steal treassure chests by kiting aoe mobs towards me etc. etc. etc.
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marten_philip✭✭✭cigarsmoker wrote: »Sorry to hear you've had some bad times. Perhaps you should get on the US server, I've never had a bad group on it and I've PUG'd every 4 man dungeon but one and we finished them all.
I think I might try that as a last resort.
I've had better experiences playing on US servers in the past hope this time it will too.Edited by marten_philip on June 21, 2014 11:06PM1 -
Artemiisia✭✭✭✭✭
✭I dont see the problem with people writing in their own language, I cant be bother with it, especially in zone chat come on, who has the right to say to another talk English there.....
If I cant understand whats being written I just move along and enjoy the game.
Guild chat is different, if the guild has from start clearly said English speaking guild, then thats the rule.
I prefer to write in English, both to reach the masses but also its easier to talk together in a language like English.
Chest, you say they pull mobs to get you out of combat??? how long do you take to open a chest, first they need to spot you, be quick to find a mob, and somehow make you get agro so u cant unlock it. they should make an skill point just for that alone.
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sylviermoone✭✭✭✭✭Whoa, holy all over the place thread, Batman!!
Off topic: just....wow.
On topic: I don't think the "community" is terrible. I've met some very nice folks in game, many of whom I contact frequently. Some of which came from forum contact before in game contact. I've joined a couple of guilds (by which I mean, 2), and while I originally joined for store access, they've both turned out to be awesome, cooperative places where I can find someone to run low level areas with my gimped double-crafting Templar, send me a much needed piece of armor for research, or a mat or two when in need.
All of the dungeons I've run have been done PUG style, and while there were times I wasn't able to complete a dungeon with a particular group, it was never because the players were terrible people, just that the particular group synergy didn't work well. Que Sera Sera, sometimes you just can't tell if the skill sets of those in question are going to work well together unless you try it.
While there are, in fact, terrible people within the community, judging the entire community base because of a few bad seeds is pretty lame. To put it mildly and stay within forum rules.
I am very sorry that you seem to be having bad luck in terms of those you interact with, but again, that isn't indicative of the entire community.
Also, if you're so worried about people speaking in other languages in chat, may I suggest either a) enabling English only chat, or b) playing on the NA server. If you're playing from overseas anyway, the latency couldn't be any worse than it is on the EU server.Co-GM, Angry Unicorn Traders: PC/NA
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Ojustaboo✭✭✭✭✭
✭marten_philip wrote: »Aldmeri Dominion european mega server.
Apart form the large amount of europeans talking their own native language in general public chats.
You think they should only be allowed to speak in your native language?2 -
Ojustaboo✭✭✭✭✭
✭marten_philip wrote: »Joining a guild is not a solution, either they have progressed beyond my current level or they just don't give a dam about new comers. Or they just want to use
Sorry, I think you must have been going around this the wrong way if that's been your experience.
While a few good guilds to grow from random invite guilds, usually they have a far greater number of self seeking members than other guilds have.
I will never ever do a dungeon with a pug group, I wouldn't in Lotro either, it doesn't matter which mmo you play, you join a pug group, you are taking a gamble and while other guild members have met good players doing this, for every good group you find you find, you find about 1000 bad ones.
Go onto one of the guild recruiting threads on say Tamriel Foundry, create a new thread, explain what sort of guild you are looking for, that's what I did and have found a guild that I will happily be in for years. We have players of all levels, application via our guilds web site, and we have great fun, also on EU but play DC.
I was surprised how many guilds bothered to reply to my thread, I thought it would be ignored, but numerous people took tne time to explain their guilds aims, some from AD, and I had a hard choice making my decision.
I think you will find many welcoming guilds if you go that route.
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