NIGHTBLADE NOT FIXED :S

Squarcle

hey there ive been PvPing with my lowbie nightblade figuring out some good rotations for the upcoming pwnfest that will happen when nonvet campaigns are released, and I gotta say the biggest bug ive found so far = veiled strike (or maybe its surprise attack specific) and that 70% crit morph invisibility spell.

ill go invisible and spam click my veiled strike morph, and 90% of the time it wont go off until AFTER my invisibility is over? that's 3 seconds of nothing happening... now in PvE I rarely have this problem and sometimes it only happens when my surprise attack misses. (I have scrolling damage addon to confirm literally nothing happens, when it happens, and when it misses)

please explain what im doing wrong here because even when im normal stealth ill walk up behind another player and spam click veiled strike(surprise attack) and it wont even go off until they've detected me = throws myself outta the shadows to hit a lousy 200 damage on them no stun. and than ill go invis and try to atleast get that quick stun off on them and what happens? 3 sec of invis staring right at them then I become visible again THEN veiled strike casts a no stun 200 damage like WTF!

does this bug happen to anyone else??

Animus0724

Happens to everyone, theres a hole thread dedicated to Nightblade problems.

Edit: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/100627/nightblade-update/p1

there you go buddy

IKilled007

ChingChong wrote: »

please explain what im doing wrong here

Playing a nightblade.

Gisgo

I quit trying to do the cloak -> veiled strike trick, it just doesnt work most of the times.
Its not even an NB problem to me it feels like a "lag" problem and i doubt its going to be easy to fix.

Squarcle

Gisgo wrote: »

I quit trying to do the cloak -> veiled strike trick, it just doesnt work most of the times.
Its not even an NB problem to me it feels like a "lag" problem and i doubt its going to be easy to fix.

was the only reason I thought nightblade would be viable for PvP lol.. sigh.. please zenimax, don't make me roll a DK or Sorc to not be steamrolled by everyone in PVP..

Gisgo

ChingChong wrote: »

Gisgo wrote: »

I quit trying to do the cloak -> veiled strike trick, it just doesnt work most of the times.
Its not even an NB problem to me it feels like a "lag" problem and i doubt its going to be easy to fix.

was the only reason I thought nightblade would be viable for PvP lol.. sigh.. please zenimax, don't make me roll a DK or Sorc to not be steamrolled by everyone in PVP..

Dont jump to conclusions just because you cant run an easy trick build it doesnt mean its not playable in PVP.

It needs a few fixes, for sure.

Gern_Verkheart

It seems to have something to do with the number of other players near by. I have no problems with delays with "surprise attack" when I'm solo questing, but when I'm in a group dungeon or doing a world boss, or any other activity with multiple other players near me, it simply won't work. I have to spam the crap out of it just to finally get the ability to work before my invisibility wears off.

Squarcle

Gisgo wrote: »

ChingChong wrote: »

Gisgo wrote: »

I quit trying to do the cloak -> veiled strike trick, it just doesnt work most of the times.
Its not even an NB problem to me it feels like a "lag" problem and i doubt its going to be easy to fix.

was the only reason I thought nightblade would be viable for PvP lol.. sigh.. please zenimax, don't make me roll a DK or Sorc to not be steamrolled by everyone in PVP..

Dont jump to conclusions just because you cant run an easy trick build it doesnt mean its not playable in PVP.

It needs a few fixes, for sure.

well sadly my PvE AoE is limited to 10 damage a sec on shadow path and my ulti, so I had to start upping my destroy staff just for impulse to even get to the lvl 30+ skills lol, ill most likely become a caster for PvP like all the others on a nightblade.. only time you can fight with weapons is 1v1, and its never 1v1 unless you gank or get ganked.

Squarcle

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

It seems to have something to do with the number of other players near by. I have no problems with delays with "surprise attack" when I'm solo questing, but when I'm in a group dungeon or doing a world boss, or any other activity with multiple other players near me, it simply won't work. I have to spam the crap out of it just to finally get the ability to work before my invisibility wears off.

this is what I mean. and sometimes the ability doesn't even cast at all in PvP until im out of shadows ? so ive basically put myself in reach of all his attacks with no benefit lol, I got it off once but she just did stunbreak and wrecked my face with AoE burst cus shes v12 and im 19

Evergnar

It may never be fixed. Been this way since the beginning of time. I only mention this because Zos keeps promising fixes for it which imo is unfair to the player. It's unfortunate but there are still plenty of other ways to build the NB class.

I do hope the devs continue to focus on NB but at this point they should just replace the unfixable stuff with things that actually work. Shelve the broken stuff and if/when they are fixed bring them back again. Or just throw them out for good.

Squarcle

Evergnar wrote: »

It may never be fixed. Been this way since the beginning of time. I only mention this because Zos keeps promising fixes for it which imo is unfair to the player. It's unfortunate but there are still plenty of other ways to build the NB class.

I do hope the devs continue to focus on NB but at this point they should just replace the unfixable stuff with things that actually work. Shelve the broken stuff and if/when they are fixed bring them back again. Or just throw them out for good.

well apparently in 2 months version 1.2 comes out with a few minor fixes to us but whos to say it even fixes anything? might just get another post saying 1.3 than .4 .. I played nightblade up to lvl 13ish in beta and regretted rolling a Templar and always wanted to have a nightblade back so after my Templar got up into vet land and boring I rolled this NB and its so broken

Worstluck

I died yesterday in Cyrodiil with my mana bar at 80% when my game refused to cast Dark Cloak. Just spammed the button, nothing happened. Dead. Same old, same old. I don't see this changing any time soon.

Vis

NBs still need a little tweaking (no doubt) but there are plenty of very successful NBs out there who are melting faces without any problems.

What I am trying to say is:

NBs are almost at a good place and hitting harder than ever. Take a deep breath now.

Evergnar

Squarcle wrote: »

well apparently in 2 months version 1.2 comes out with a few minor fixes to us but whos to say it even fixes anything? might just get another post saying 1.3 than .4 .. I played nightblade up to lvl 13ish in beta and regretted rolling a Templar and always wanted to have a nightblade back so after my Templar got up into vet land and boring I rolled this NB and its so broken

Exactly. I just don't want to see other players (especially those just starting out) go down that road thinking it will be fixed in "the next patch".

Worstluck

I've been on the PTS (you guys should check it out, 1.2.x comes out next Monday) and to be honest, not that much changes at least with the 1.2.1 patch, so I would say keep your expectations low.

I want the removal of skills like Haste and Blur and get them replaced with skills that provide some kind of synergy and group utility, as we have none (no useful ones at least, the ultimate synergies are useless) from our class skills, while the other classes have them. They aren't going to do that unfortunately. Enjoy playing a caster at endgame, at least for the unforeseeable future.

Squarcle

Worstluck wrote: »

I've been on the PTS (you guys should check it out, 1.2.x comes out next Monday) and to be honest, not that much changes at least with the 1.2.1 patch, so I would say keep your expectations low.

I want the removal of skills like Haste and Blur and get them replaced with skills that provide some kind of synergy and group utility, as we have none (no useful ones at least, the ultimate synergies are useless) from our class skills, while the other classes have them. They aren't going to do that unfortunately. Enjoy playing a caster at endgame, at least for the unforeseeable future.

for the most part my whole melee focus of NB would have been haste and mark target after cloak and veiled strike, all 4 seem to be broken.. casting has been going okay so far, unfortunately it seems like the only skills that work for our class are the weapon skills available to everyone else ? even the AOE play seems to be from weapons..

Squarcle

Evergnar wrote: »

Squarcle wrote: »

well apparently in 2 months version 1.2 comes out with a few minor fixes to us but whos to say it even fixes anything? might just get another post saying 1.3 than .4 .. I played nightblade up to lvl 13ish in beta and regretted rolling a Templar and always wanted to have a nightblade back so after my Templar got up into vet land and boring I rolled this NB and its so broken

Exactly. I just don't want to see other players (especially those just starting out) go down that road thinking it will be fixed in "the next patch".

i wish i just rolled a sorc.. id be emperor by now lol, hitting a 1k crit healing for 750 hp, than spamming the same mages fury from 34m away while the guy stands up... funny how everyone you see maxed rank in the high population pvp servers are Dk and sorc, and your lucky to see 5 Templars and nightblades out of the top 100?

Worstluck

We actually have awesome AoE, Sap Essence. If you are playing a caster solo questing and what not, Sap Essence with Mage Light, Impulse/Elemental ring and Siphoning Strikes allows you to take on packs of three 'relatively' easily. You can cast Sap Essence and Impulse while blocking. Sap Essence also builds a lot of ultimate and allows you to use Veil of Blades a bunch.

Unfortunately, both Sap Essence (reduced utlimate gain from critical strikes) and Siphoning Strikes (25% reduction in resource return) are nerfed in the next patch.... :'(

Squarcle

Vis wrote: »

NBs still need a little tweaking (no doubt) but there are plenty of very successful NBs out there who are melting faces without any problems.

What I am trying to say is:

NBs are almost at a good place and hitting harder than ever. Take a deep breath now.

ya but they say it themselves, if they get a GANK on you, they win. basically, unless you cheapshot a guy with crits before he even knows hes involved in a fight, you got a 75% chance of dying. how many times have you seen a DK just do 2 dragonbloods back to full hp and than turn around talon you, drop flag, than bash your face in or impulse you to death spamming talons following you? same with sorc as soon as he breaks CC he just bolts away stunning you and by time u CC break and turn around hes hit u in the face for 600+ with another knockdown shard and now ur out of stamina breaking CC and your running to him or wasting magicka to even reach him before he does ANOTHER stun bolt. i get mad just thinking about the unbalance lol, its almost better to PvP without mark target unless your using a bow with pushbacks

Tavore1138

May I recommend the invisibility potion as a substitute that seems to work, you can lace it with a crit effect and some health regen too and it can be handy.

Xnemesis

Vis wrote: »

NBs still need a little tweaking (no doubt) but there are plenty of very successful NBs out there who are melting faces without any problems.

What I am trying to say is:

NBs are almost at a good place and hitting harder than ever. Take a deep breath now.

What you meant to say is they are casting harder than ever in their dresses. Then again that is the same for every class

Squarcle

Worstluck wrote: »

We actually have awesome AoE, Sap Essence. If you are playing a caster solo questing and what not, Sap Essence with Mage Light, Impulse/Elemental ring and Siphoning Strikes allows you to take on packs of three 'relatively' easily. You can cast Sap Essence and Impulse while blocking. Sap Essence also builds a lot of ultimate and allows you to use Veil of Blades a bunch.

Unfortunately, both Sap Essence (reduced utlimate gain from critical strikes) and Siphoning Strikes (25% reduction in resource return) are nerfed in the next patch.... :'(

ya my guys lvl 19 at the moment ive been grinding zombies in deshaan when its uncrowded trying to get my nightblade to 30ish and than hes strictly PvP based, if he does good enough i might get him to vet and use him as my new main for vet PvP since the campaigns are going to be 10-49 and v1-v12 strictly after these campaigns finish

Squarcle

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

May I recommend the invisibility potion as a substitute that seems to work, you can lace it with a crit effect and some health regen too and it can be handy.

i like this idea lol but than i might aswell have rolled any other class if i use invisibility potions instead of my move speed, crit, and stam restore potions even those will be useless now seeing as everything heavy hitting is magicka based.. might aswell look for a spell power spell crit invisibility recipe

Tavore1138

I refuse to surrender to sticks & will find ways to compete with my DW NB

Had great fun in DawnBreaker EU trying to defend Arrius, although they got it on the fifth or sixth go, the flying blade & invisibilty is a nice way to pick off targets ready for the ambush finish...

Squarcle

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

I refuse to surrender to sticks & will find ways to compete with my DW NB

Had great fun in DawnBreaker EU trying to defend Arrius, although they got it on the fifth or sixth go, the flying blade & invisibilty is a nice way to pick off targets ready for the ambush finish...

yea man i was strictly duel weild training until i seen i couldn't AoE grind below lvl 30 at all unless i picked up a destro staff, id love to try flying blade with some crit potions and full medium armor, stacked with mark target = pure evil

xanikk999

Worstluck wrote: »

I died yesterday in Cyrodiil with my mana bar at 80% when my game refused to cast Dark Cloak. Just spammed the button, nothing happened. Dead. Same old, same old. I don't see this changing any time soon.

This game out of any MMO I have played has been the most unresponsive to key hits. I have tried to do my invigorating drain ability as a vamp and in some cases hit the button 3 times and my character would do nothing.

Caused me to die in veteran content a few times.

Squarcle

xanikk999 wrote: »

Worstluck wrote: »

I died yesterday in Cyrodiil with my mana bar at 80% when my game refused to cast Dark Cloak. Just spammed the button, nothing happened. Dead. Same old, same old. I don't see this changing any time soon.

This game out of any MMO I have played has been the most unresponsive to key hits. I have tried to do my invigorating drain ability as a vamp and in some cases hit the button 3 times and my character would do nothing.

Caused me to die in veteran content a few times.

yup i don't even slot drain for PvP anymore, the guy isn't even black (saying hes been drained already) and the thing doesn't cast, and ever since the last patch my drain has like a 1-2 second lag before actually draining, but my scrolling damage addon shows the damage still going off before any animations.. even the vampire quest is buggy where the rogues will wall through walls and hit you 10 metres away with melee attacks and the voice for the first vampire girl overlaps everytime i do the quest its really weird she goes from normal talking about molag bal to a random shouting voice overtop of her own talking voice o.0

Tavore1138

Squarcle wrote: »

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

I refuse to surrender to sticks & will find ways to compete with my DW NB

Had great fun in DawnBreaker EU trying to defend Arrius, although they got it on the fifth or sixth go, the flying blade & invisibilty is a nice way to pick off targets ready for the ambush finish...

yea man i was strictly duel weild training until i seen i couldn't AoE grind below lvl 30 at all unless i picked up a destro staff, id love to try flying blade with some crit potions and full medium armor, stacked with mark target = pure evil

Yeah, NB with blades or bow is not going to work with level grinding, although whirling blades and ember explosion can do a bit of that.

The upside is when your abilities fire you can do some nasty damage, but when they do not you are left hanging.

No denying a 'traditional' NB is hard work but if they fix the broken stuff we will both rock & the current pain will teach us to have the skills to exploit it.

Squarcle

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Squarcle wrote: »

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

I refuse to surrender to sticks & will find ways to compete with my DW NB

Had great fun in DawnBreaker EU trying to defend Arrius, although they got it on the fifth or sixth go, the flying blade & invisibilty is a nice way to pick off targets ready for the ambush finish...

yea man i was strictly duel weild training until i seen i couldn't AoE grind below lvl 30 at all unless i picked up a destro staff, id love to try flying blade with some crit potions and full medium armor, stacked with mark target = pure evil

Yeah, NB with blades or bow is not going to work with level grinding, although whirling blades and ember explosion can do a bit of that.

The upside is when your abilities fire you can do some nasty damage, but when they do not you are left hanging.

No denying a 'traditional' NB is hard work but if they fix the broken stuff we will both rock & the current pain will teach us to have the skills to exploit it.

we can already do amazing 1v1, but that never happens in PvP lol thats why i need massive AoE damage and thats all weapon abilities until max rank

Tavore1138

I see that but in PvP we are all about the targeted kill. Pick the right couple of targets and never dive into the middle of a huge skirmish.

When defending a castle we can be vicious with ranged from the wall, jump stabbing and dps and then various hide options to get back inside.

Same applies when the fight comes inside the walls - take out the key people and help your side.

But an NB is going to die in trade from time to time, get a good group and they will appreciate the openings you give them and res you.

Squarcle

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

I see that but in PvP we are all about the targeted kill. Pick the right couple of targets and never dive into the middle of a huge skirmish.

When defending a castle we can be vicious with ranged from the wall, jump stabbing and dps and then various hide options to get back inside.

Same applies when the fight comes inside the walls - take out the key people and help your side.

But an NB is going to die in trade from time to time, get a good group and they will appreciate the openings you give them and res you.

ya but in laggajack server the game tends to freeze up everytime its max population so pvp looks like stop motion film lol, hard to pick a target sometimes easier to just drop a ballista to help your team, but I always do try to focus the healers and stay 20+ metres away from the DK, sorc targeting is kinda pointless, they see anything hit them and its 5 bolts the opposite direction