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De-Nerf Sorcs.

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Soloeus
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I can't even handle a full mob of 3 of my own vet level and now you want to take my power away? Keep doing this, and soon you can fit all ESO players into one guild.

Note the key words: Make sorcerers more fun to play. Not less fun.
Edited by Soloeus on June 9, 2014 4:44PM

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  • Cously
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    What nerf are you talking about? With two pets and right CC/Damage I find sorcerer really easy to play with. I do struggle in Cyrodiil caves by myself being a VR3 and mobs being a VR5 but I still manage to get 3 of them without break a sweat and in need of a bit of luck if I pull a group of 6 and the boss. Maybe change your tactics?
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  • TheBull
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    Did you know that NB stealth base cost is 463? BE is only 300? Looks like more nerfs are in order.
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  • Columba
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    Lol. 3 mobs. NBs can barely handle one. Get over god mode.
  • gopher723ub17_ESO
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    I acknowledge other classes need major tweaking and help, but to nerf the only class i have been able to have Fun with and make it now a struggle in every minor solo battle is well...... a loss of another sub, I've canceled
  • Fairydragon3
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    Columba wrote: »
    Lol. 3 mobs. NBs can barely handle one. Get over god mode.

    I'm a crafting nightblade and I do fine vs 2, maybe 3 depending on my approach and enemy composition

    I also have the 3 piece buffs from shadows and dragon sets, dw claws of dragon, and a vampire
    Edited by Fairydragon3 on June 9, 2014 6:19PM
  • Ragnar_Lodbrok
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    Get use to the nerf hammer sorcs, rather than fix the op light armor and op staffs, they will just nerf dk and now sorc for you sorc players until we are all templars.
  • Kivi83
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    wait! when did sorcs get nerfed? they are more than capable of soloing 3+ mobs all day long,
  • Emohsnevar
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    Soloeus wrote: »
    I can't even handle a full mob of 3 of my own vet level and now you want to take my power away? Keep doing this, and soon you can fit all ESO players into one guild.

    Note the key words: Make sorcerers more fun to play. Not less fun.

    HUH???? You can't handle 3 mobs? I take on 5 to 6 and sometimes more on at the same time! ( Yes of same level) (Yes I am a sorc)

  • Ragnar_Lodbrok
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    Soloeus wrote: »
    I can't even handle a full mob of 3 of my own vet level and now you want to take my power away? Keep doing this, and soon you can fit all ESO players into one guild.

    Note the key words: Make sorcerers more fun to play. Not less fun.

    AS a dk tank I cant handle more than one mob.
  • ForTheRealm
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    Soloeus wrote: »
    I can't even handle a full mob of 3 of my own vet level and now you want to take my power away? Keep doing this, and soon you can fit all ESO players into one guild.

    Note the key words: Make sorcerers more fun to play. Not less fun.

    Actually there are some good buffs planned in 1.2.0 for Sorcs (better Crystal Blast AoE, Dark Deal while moving, targetted pets...)

    So please be patient - better times will come ;-)

  • Ragnar_Lodbrok
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    piotreb17_ESO4 wrote: »
    Soloeus wrote: »
    I can't even handle a full mob of 3 of my own vet level and now you want to take my power away? Keep doing this, and soon you can fit all ESO players into one guild.

    Note the key words: Make sorcerers more fun to play. Not less fun.

    Actually there are some good buffs planned in 1.2.0 for Sorcs (better Crystal Blast AoE, Dark Deal while moving, targetted pets...)

    So please be patient - better times will come ;-)

    Meanwhile dks are *** upon.
  • Nox_Aeterna
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    I have to wonder , if the OP cant even solo 3 on sorc , he would really die over and over if using a templar or NB, well probably.
    "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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  • Venithar
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    Nox_Aeterna wrote: »
    I have to wonder , if the OP cant even solo 3 on sorc , he would really die over and over if using a templar or NB, well probably.

    or... he may not be using the cookie cutter build that actually needs to be nerfed...

    (this does not mean nerf sorc again, it means fix the armor/staff synergies which are why everyone claims DK/Sorc are OP anyway in most cases)
    Edited by Venithar on June 10, 2014 8:16AM
  • Nox_Aeterna
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    Venithar wrote: »
    Nox_Aeterna wrote: »
    I have to wonder , if the OP cant even solo 3 on sorc , he would really die over and over if using a templar or NB, well probably.

    or... he may not be using the cookie cutter build that actually needs to be nerfed...

    Sorry , but im not buying that.

    Unless you are either bad OR you use a bad build on purpose (which i admit , i did myself for example during the bitting jabs nerf because i refused to change over it) , you should be able to win the solo content of this game , which includes packs of 3.

    What the OP needs is help with this build , nerfs to BE seem like the least of the problems here :P.
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  • Kivi83
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    cookie cutter build? no such thing I practically change my bars to suit the encounter I'm facing.
  • Venithar
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    Kivi83 wrote: »
    cookie cutter build? no such thing I practically change my bars to suit the encounter I'm facing.

    have fun doing that in pvp
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    De-NERF the game subscriptions right to F2P.
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  • Kivi83
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    Venithar wrote: »
    Kivi83 wrote: »
    cookie cutter build? no such thing I practically change my bars to suit the encounter I'm facing.

    have fun doing that in pvp

    I have a build I use for pvp too :-)

  • Hypertionb14_ESO
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    Soloeus wrote: »
    I can't even handle a full mob of 3 of my own vet level and now you want to take my power away? Keep doing this, and soon you can fit all ESO players into one guild.

    Note the key words: Make sorcerers more fun to play. Not less fun.

    Ok then why is it i can take groups of 7 equal level vet mobs on and come out with full hp after running in melee range?

    Oh right... Critical Surge.....

    Bolt Escape was NEVER actually useful beyond running away compaired to ACTUALLY fighting mobs....
    I play every class in every situation. I love them all.
  • Venithar
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    Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »
    Soloeus wrote: »
    I can't even handle a full mob of 3 of my own vet level and now you want to take my power away? Keep doing this, and soon you can fit all ESO players into one guild.

    Note the key words: Make sorcerers more fun to play. Not less fun.

    Ok then why is it i can take groups of 7 equal level vet mobs on and come out with full hp after running in melee range?

    Oh right... Critical Surge.....

    Bolt Escape was NEVER actually useful beyond running away compaired to ACTUALLY fighting mobs....

    Just wait until they nerf the AoEs :)
  • Hypertionb14_ESO
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    Venithar wrote: »
    Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »
    Soloeus wrote: »
    I can't even handle a full mob of 3 of my own vet level and now you want to take my power away? Keep doing this, and soon you can fit all ESO players into one guild.

    Note the key words: Make sorcerers more fun to play. Not less fun.

    Ok then why is it i can take groups of 7 equal level vet mobs on and come out with full hp after running in melee range?

    Oh right... Critical Surge.....

    Bolt Escape was NEVER actually useful beyond running away compaired to ACTUALLY fighting mobs....

    Just wait until they nerf the AoEs :)

    No i expect them to change Crit Surge so it only heals 10% of critical damage or something like that long before they nerf the damage on Impulse again.

    Right now i can heal over 500HP per second while attacking large groups easily.... have hit 900HP per second before even...
    I play every class in every situation. I love them all.
  • Venithar
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    Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »
    Venithar wrote: »
    Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »
    Soloeus wrote: »
    I can't even handle a full mob of 3 of my own vet level and now you want to take my power away? Keep doing this, and soon you can fit all ESO players into one guild.

    Note the key words: Make sorcerers more fun to play. Not less fun.

    Ok then why is it i can take groups of 7 equal level vet mobs on and come out with full hp after running in melee range?

    Oh right... Critical Surge.....

    Bolt Escape was NEVER actually useful beyond running away compaired to ACTUALLY fighting mobs....

    Just wait until they nerf the AoEs :)

    No i expect them to change Crit Surge so it only heals 10% of critical damage or something like that long before they nerf the damage on Impulse again.

    Right now i can heal over 500HP per second while attacking large groups easily.... have hit 900HP per second before even...

    And you think that is balanced right?
  • Hypertionb14_ESO
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    Venithar wrote: »
    Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »
    Venithar wrote: »
    Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »
    Soloeus wrote: »
    I can't even handle a full mob of 3 of my own vet level and now you want to take my power away? Keep doing this, and soon you can fit all ESO players into one guild.

    Note the key words: Make sorcerers more fun to play. Not less fun.

    Ok then why is it i can take groups of 7 equal level vet mobs on and come out with full hp after running in melee range?

    Oh right... Critical Surge.....

    Bolt Escape was NEVER actually useful beyond running away compaired to ACTUALLY fighting mobs....

    Just wait until they nerf the AoEs :)

    No i expect them to change Crit Surge so it only heals 10% of critical damage or something like that long before they nerf the damage on Impulse again.

    Right now i can heal over 500HP per second while attacking large groups easily.... have hit 900HP per second before even...

    And you think that is balanced right?

    healing 500hp per second while dealing 1k when fighting just 2 mobs?

    Oh yeah... totally balanced (rolls Eyes)

    Many have stated that Crit Surge is a "bit" OP even back during the BETA.

    TBH i am surprised it hasnt been brought up more... but then it was not as common to see a build that focused it vs one that focused Bolt Escape in PVP, which is where 90% of all these "Nerf" crys come from...

    i expect that more sorcerers will come up with builds to take it into PVP now... and it will get said attention. But my point was, that Bolt Escaping was HARDLY the only way to take on groups of mobs..
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    Soloeus wrote: »
    I can't even handle a full mob of 3 of my own vet level and now you want to take my power away? Keep doing this, and soon you can fit all ESO players into one guild.

    Note the key words: Make sorcerers more fun to play. Not less fun.
    Agree here!
    Sorcerers needs in huge buff!
    Crystal shards must always be instacasted and Crystal fragments morph will have a 35% proc for +30% damage
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    TheBull wrote: »
    Did you know that NB stealth base cost is 463? BE is only 300? Looks like more nerfs are in order.

    BE has a base of 400, stop spreading lies.
  • wllstrt75b14_ESO
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    First BE nerf was not enough as plenty of sorcerers can still BE 5-6 times no issues so yes they are still unkillable via BE.

    Second the Op is just clueless, they only nerf they got class wise was BE that has nothing to do with PvE or shouldn't.

    You want to talk about issues lets compare whirlwind vs Impulse both aoe one etam based one magika based...

    impulse 4 costs 253 magika(varies per build) does like 213 damage vs Whirlwind 4 that costs 381 stamia and does 99 damage

    obviously the costs are associated witht he build choice but even with a 20% reduction in stam costs it still costs more and does way less damage, and stamina is used for block, stealth, running etc..where magika is solely used for skills.

    That right there is in dire need of fixing and a perfect case why stam builds suck as up and down the lines comparisons can be made like this.

  • crislevin
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    wllstrt75b14_ESO wrote: »
    First BE nerf was not enough as plenty of sorcerers can still BE 5-6 times no issues so yes they are still unkillable via BE.

    wut? so a sorc would be only unkillable when they reserve ALL magicka for BEs.

    God forbid they even cast a spell trying to attack you!

    what a balanced approach you have here. Astoundingly thought out.
  • SilverWF
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    wllstrt75b14_ESO wrote: »
    You want to talk about issues lets compare whirlwind vs Impulse both aoe one etam based one magika based...

    impulse 4 costs 253 magika(varies per build) does like 213 damage vs Whirlwind 4 that costs 381 stamia and does 99 damage

    obviously the costs are associated witht he build choice but even with a 20% reduction in stam costs it still costs more and does way less damage, and stamina is used for block, stealth, running etc..where magika is solely used for skills.

    That right there is in dire need of fixing and a perfect case why stam builds suck as up and down the lines comparisons can be made like this.

    This thread about Sorcs or not?

    Wirlwind have bigger radius and this is finisher skill - on low HP targets it deals insane damage!
    You also "forgot" about Controlled Fury passive - 20% cost for dual skills
    Both staves didn't have passive like this.

    So you are liar and your words cost nothing.
    Edited by SilverWF on June 10, 2014 2:17PM
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  • dastone
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    Whirl wind is a finisher. It does more damage on lower health mobs. But the damage is hardly insane. Even on low Heath mobs it does less or equal what impulse does. Impulse is still better by a good measure. And that was is point
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