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https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/668861

Jesus Zenimax fix Werewolf already and make it competitive!

  • Gizzarduk
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    Orchish wrote: »
    I've held on to mine in the hopes that we will see it become viable one day. Yet each day that passes i get more and more tempted to cure it and just join the ranks of Vampires that roam the lands.
    I cured myself but refuse to go vamp. If they ever fix WW though I will be back in a heartbeat.
  • Devolus
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    Ok just wanted to post this here because this literally just p***ed me off.
    Mortosk wrote: »
    Still have provisioning on the back burner I see...

    Were you aware low level ingredients are still dropping in most veteran zones?

    Did you know people are so desperate to get purple provisioning recipes that they are paying upwards of 800K gold for them? Do they drop 0.0000000001% of the time or is it 1x10^-35 %? And, I forgot, why is it purple and not gold again? Thought the color was supposed to be indicative of how rare an item was.

    Did you know level 35 food uses the same ingredients as V5 food?

    Did you know Oats and Tomatoes are so rare that even with 4 provisioning mules with hireling III, I get an average of 2.7 oats and 2.5 tomatoes per day? I actually did a 2-week running count of what I got and that was the real average.
    So divide that by 4, if you want to know how many someone silly enough to just level provisioning to 50 once with one hireling III gets per day.

    Did you know for some unknown reason some purple recipes DO NOT require a rare ingredient such as oats and tomatoes and others do? Consummate Honey Brittle for example does not require oats or tomatoes. Same exact stats as Consummate Honey Pudding and Consummate Sweetroll just without that silly only able to make (2.5/4)x4 or (2.7/4)x4 per day restriction. Makes sense.

    Did you know some Drink recipes have exactly the same resource regeneration at lvl 45 and 50? Seems whoever coded the provisioning stuff forgot to check his math and skipped a tier.

    And drink recipes generally suck compared to food, hardly anyone wants to buy them.
    Thanks so much for your feedback - we passed this along so each item can be investigated.

    Mortosk's post was posted July 9, edited July 10. GinaBruno replies July 10, stating that "We passed this along". ONE DAY LATER this is posted in Developer Discussions:
    http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/119265/provisioning-revamp/p1
    Why is something that's not even broken accepted and then have an ENTIRE Dev discussion posted the following day? When Werewolves, who are broken, have YET to have any Developer Discussion going??
    "The day I start considering people's feelings before speaking my mind is the day my efficacy as a politician comes to an end. When that day comes, just kill me outright, I beg of you."
    -Abnur Tharn
  • Sonja
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    Devolus wrote: »
    Ok just wanted to post this here because this literally just p***ed me off.
    Mortosk wrote: »
    Still have provisioning on the back burner I see...

    Were you aware low level ingredients are still dropping in most veteran zones?

    Did you know people are so desperate to get purple provisioning recipes that they are paying upwards of 800K gold for them? Do they drop 0.0000000001% of the time or is it 1x10^-35 %? And, I forgot, why is it purple and not gold again? Thought the color was supposed to be indicative of how rare an item was.

    Did you know level 35 food uses the same ingredients as V5 food?

    Did you know Oats and Tomatoes are so rare that even with 4 provisioning mules with hireling III, I get an average of 2.7 oats and 2.5 tomatoes per day? I actually did a 2-week running count of what I got and that was the real average.
    So divide that by 4, if you want to know how many someone silly enough to just level provisioning to 50 once with one hireling III gets per day.

    Did you know for some unknown reason some purple recipes DO NOT require a rare ingredient such as oats and tomatoes and others do? Consummate Honey Brittle for example does not require oats or tomatoes. Same exact stats as Consummate Honey Pudding and Consummate Sweetroll just without that silly only able to make (2.5/4)x4 or (2.7/4)x4 per day restriction. Makes sense.

    Did you know some Drink recipes have exactly the same resource regeneration at lvl 45 and 50? Seems whoever coded the provisioning stuff forgot to check his math and skipped a tier.

    And drink recipes generally suck compared to food, hardly anyone wants to buy them.
    Thanks so much for your feedback - we passed this along so each item can be investigated.

    Mortosk's post was posted July 9, edited July 10. GinaBruno replies July 10, stating that "We passed this along". ONE DAY LATER this is posted in Developer Discussions:
    http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/119265/provisioning-revamp/p1
    Why is something that's not even broken accepted and then have an ENTIRE Dev discussion posted the following day? When Werewolves, who are broken, have YET to have any Developer Discussion going??

    Everyone except Zenimax know werewolf is broken. I was never treated worse in any game i have played to date. Zenimax support is horrible and that is understatment.
  • Mori
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    WTF? how is it possible? Cant get more plain now that they dont give a *** about werewolves.....and we have been asking for something for over 3 months, and not a single reply. But something that is not important is being passed along right away....

    Now where is that unsubscribe button? I've had enough..
  • Devolus
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    Mori wrote: »
    WTF? how is it possible? Cant get more plain now that they dont give a *** about werewolves.....and we have been asking for something for over 3 months, and not a single reply. But something that is not important is being passed along right away....

    Exactly, the complaint on that post is "Some recipes don't require a rare ingredient while others do (boo fricken hoo, use the recipes that don't require it then) and that it's soooo hard to get the tomatoes and rare recipes. Even though it isn't an issue that immediately needs to be fixed, they still responded, and THE MOST the should have done was just fixed those minor issues. But no, they decide (in less than a day mind you) that "Let's redo the entire way Provisioning works, because that system is CLEARLY broken and needs a revamp ASAP!!"

    Literally ZOS, you have your priorities at the entirely wrong end of the spectrum right now.
    Edited by Devolus on July 15, 2014 3:23PM
    "The day I start considering people's feelings before speaking my mind is the day my efficacy as a politician comes to an end. When that day comes, just kill me outright, I beg of you."
    -Abnur Tharn
  • c0rp
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    I have been very patient with this game, and for the most part, have been pleased with the changes and fixes they have implemented.

    But the fact that ww's are still a POS this far after the game is released is ***. There has been ZERO communication about the subject besides a @zos_MattFiror statement that ww's 'MIGHT" have some balancing done. I almost desubbed when I saw him say that, and I love ESO.

    Patience can only last so long when someone is passionate about something.
    Force weapon swap to have priority over EVERYTHING. Close enough.
    Make stamina builds even with magicka builds.
    Disable abilities while holding block.
    Give us a REASON to do dungeons more than once.
    Remove PVP AoE CAP. It is ruining Cyrodiil.
    Fix/Remove Forward Camps. They are ruining Cyrodiil.
    Impenetrability needs to REDUCE CRIT DAMAGE. Not negate entire builds.
    Werewolf is not equal to Vamps/Bats.
  • Sonja
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    c0rp wrote: »
    I have been very patient with this game, and for the most part, have been pleased with the changes and fixes they have implemented.

    But the fact that ww's are still a POS this far after the game is released is ***. There has been ZERO communication about the subject besides a @zos_MattFiror statement that ww's 'MIGHT" have some balancing done. I almost desubbed when I saw him say that, and I love ESO.

    Patience can only last so long when someone is passionate about something.

    I feel the same way :-/
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  • Sonja
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    To make werewolves slightly more interesting to have/be they should give some buffs to werewolves while in human form because as it stands now we don't feel as werewolves. Remove werewolf ultimate from the bar and you suddenly are ''not a werewolf anymore''.

    They should add to the blood rage 10% health recovery.

    They should add to the savage strength 10% stamina recovery.

    Like vampires have +10% stamina and magicka recovery .

    There is not a single reason to be a werewolf right now, what is the point....what do you gain......

    Anything you can do as a werewolf you can do it better as a human....
  • Oberon
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    Sonja wrote: »
    Remove werewolf ultimate from the bar and you suddenly are ''not a werewolf anymore''.

    There is not a single reason to be a werewolf right now, what is the point....what do you gain......

    Anything you can do as a werewolf you can do it better as a human....
    Actually, you're better off not having the Werewolf ultimate on your bar at all, even if you are a Werewolf. It's a complete waste of ultimate points--the sad thing is even if it were free you are better off not using it over any other ulti.

    Fail skill line is fail. ZOS just needs to buck up, admit their design failure, and redo the thing from scratch.
    Edited by Oberon on July 16, 2014 12:10PM
  • Mori
    Mori
    Sonja wrote: »
    Anything you can do as a werewolf you can do it better as a human....

    yep, pretty much sums it up. just like mathias.botheb16_ESO posted that pic...

    if i wasnt so busy being dissapointed, i would be speechless.
  • Warraxx
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  • Devolus
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    @Warraxx I love just for posting something about The Munsters
    "The day I start considering people's feelings before speaking my mind is the day my efficacy as a politician comes to an end. When that day comes, just kill me outright, I beg of you."
    -Abnur Tharn
  • Sonja
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    Omg guys.... First time i tested ww while looking at stats.... You wont believe it but all i got was about + 100 armor and + 200 stamina while i lost around 10 weapon dmg.... Wtf..... I can get better stats by using food .... Is this a joke? @ZoS_MattFiror
  • Mori
    Mori
    apparently its a sick joke from zenimax. No doubt who they prefer out of bloodsuckers and wolves.

    anything you can do as a werewolf, you can do better as a human. its sad, but its true. werewolves are truly useless right now.................... except for rp i guess, lol.

    we need a fix to this broken skill line, and we need it now!
    100 armor, 200 stam and the chance to be the laughing stock of all 3 factions fighting around you as they cc and 2shot you.

    GG zenimax...
  • Sonja
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    You can't even RP because timer is lame useless 40 seconds, so you can RP few words with zero emotes and you turn back to human form....
  • Sonja
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    And then you have to grind 725 ultimate again.....
  • Warraxx
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    Zos...
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  • Sonja
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    Omg
    Warraxx wrote: »
    Zos...
    the_animals___uncle_sam_by_werewolf_pirate-d5ads2y.jpg

    You are awesome :smiley:
  • c0rp
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    I want to hear "we know ww sucks ass right now and we are in the process of making big changes" at the Quakecon meeting tonight.

    What I will hear is absolutely nothing about it though.

    Its sad when you see a ww in cyrodiil and your first reaction is "what a ***"
    Edited by c0rp on July 18, 2014 7:22PM
    Force weapon swap to have priority over EVERYTHING. Close enough.
    Make stamina builds even with magicka builds.
    Disable abilities while holding block.
    Give us a REASON to do dungeons more than once.
    Remove PVP AoE CAP. It is ruining Cyrodiil.
    Fix/Remove Forward Camps. They are ruining Cyrodiil.
    Impenetrability needs to REDUCE CRIT DAMAGE. Not negate entire builds.
    Werewolf is not equal to Vamps/Bats.
  • Sonja
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    Would be nice if someone could post a link to some info about werewolves from that quakecon if there is any in the first place.
  • Lyall84
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    Sonja wrote: »
    Would be nice if someone could post a link to some info about werewolves from that quakecon if there is any in the first place.

    -listen to crickets chirping-

    Something was said out loud about WW from ZeniMax?

    -crickets continue chirping-
  • Sonja
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    OMG, YES, YES, YEEEEESSSS, finally werewolf updates! Nick said increased damage, more time in beast form, more abilities on the bar while in werewolf form, finally!

    It will come in 2 updates, hopefully soon!

    As Martin Lupinus King said " I had a dream..... A dream in which werewolves of all fur colors and backgrounds will walk as equals with humans and vampires in Cyrodill with their tails held up high, without fear of racism and death within 1 second of showing true self........Yes.....I had a dream....''


    Zenimax has honored Martin Lupinus King's legacy and memory.

    May the great werewolf rights fighter rest in peace.

    The great werewolf revolution of 2014 has succeeded.

    The people have won, go homes, return pitchforks and let the peace on forums reign.....Time of strife, flames and forum wars is over. Werewolf veterans may go home to their pack and celebrate the victory of first werewolf rights war, remembered in history as ''The great werewolf revolution''.

    Praised be Hircine.
    Edited by Sonja on July 18, 2014 11:42PM
  • Lyall84
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    Link?
  • Sonja
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    Lyall84 wrote: »
    Link?

    It was live twitch stream i believe, i just watched and my word counts for more then a link! :-D

    Joking aside , i don't really have the link but i watched and asked on their chat and the first question Gina picked up was werewolf and Nick answered it....so relax :)

  • Mori
    Mori
    This is excellent news, finally some love for the wolves.. Now the hardest part will be to wait through those painfull weeks till it gets released.
  • Sonja
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    Stop worrying and celebrate instead! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J52elJRuPPI
  • Lyall84
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    Nice, just that I am still at work. So had no way of watching.
  • Lyall84
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    Two updates is a long tome though...they must be doing a complete overhaul
  • Sonja
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    Lyall84 wrote: »
    Two updates is a long tome though...they must be doing a complete overhaul

    As they should, we asked for overhaul since day one. I am at work too, night shift in Serbia.
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