Racial motif drop rate O.O

Cody

and if they got nerfed back again, we would be seeing 300K for daedrics all over again, and we all know that is complete crap. heck even the prices NOW are complete crap in my opinion. nerfing drops would actually HELP the farmers/exploiters, because then they could go back to charging insanely high prices for these motifs, and people would buy them at that price. no way should ANY motif be worth over 30K IMO. but again, that's just me.

PriorityBalle

Alephen, idk why youre comparing making armors to how some OUR great artist made sculptors and paintings when Mona Lisa took 4 years to paint, The Last Judgment by Michelangelo took him 7 years to make, being an great artist or Smith does not mean you can just copy any great armor or painting you see cause makes it a fake, If your a car mechanic and your car has a dent does not mean the mechanic can fix the dent without sending it to a person who has been trained in the particular area of expertise in 4 years, your telling if a level 50 blacksmith/clothier see a daedric armor they should be able to craft a perfect replica of daedric armor is insane. Anyway i think this thread has gotten outta control and im gonna stop here.

Alephen

PriorityBalle wrote: »

Alephen, idk why youre comparing making armors to how some OUR great artist made sculptors and paintings when Mona Lisa took 4 years to paint, The Last Judgment by Michelangelo took him 7 years to make, being an great artist or Smith does not mean you can just copy any great armor or painting you see cause makes it a fake, If your a car mechanic and your car has a dent does not mean the mechanic can fix the dent without sending it to a person who has been trained in the particular area of expertise in 4 years, your telling if a level 50 blacksmith/clothier see a daedric armor they should be able to craft a perfect replica of daedric armor is insane. Anyway i think this thread has gotten outta control and im gonna stop here.

daedric armor IS FAKE.

how much clearer need i be? noone in this game makes daedric armor. noone makes a perfect replica. they make regular armor that looks similar to daedric armor. not a perfect replica. it is a STYLE.

shame on the schools that have done such a poor job of reading comprehension.

p.s. remember in those other elder scrolls games when you made daedric armor you would kill a daedra, take there heart and infuse their evil soul into the ebony in order to make armor that was extremely stronger and heavier than non-daedric armor? remember how in this game you take any metal and use 'daedric hearts' that are never found inside of daedra but in trunks and nightstands and make armor that is exactly the same in protection and weight as armor made with copper or molybdenum? have you read the daedric motif, or just ckicked and learned it?
now to think. see what you come up with.

p.p.s. a copy of a great painting is not really fake. it is a real painting and is only 'fake' in that it was not painted by the original painter. for things of practicality, like armor, the name is not such a consideration. that is why we have copyright laws. if someone can buy a DVD from disney for $30, or an exact copy for $3, disney would not make much money. but the daedric armor isnt even an exact copy, the colors are wrong for most pieces, there are obvious flaws. the player made daedric armor in this game is of lower consistency then chinese clone cars.

PriorityBalle

I don't see anymore references to Michelangelo.

And NO, daedric style is not fake, you learn the crafting style and then you can craft daedric armor, simple. Whatever your convinced is a replica is outrageous Im done arguing with you since you just keep comparing the how to craft daedric armor with something totally irrelevant. Your just mad you cant afford buying a motif ingame.

Im done arguing.

AlexDougherty

Technically you would have to be a Daedra to craft Daedric Armour, you craft in the Deadric style, but that's not the same.

It's like having to be American to make an American Car, or Swiss to make a Swiss Watch, or British to paint British Art.

PriorityBalle

Yea but they make Chrysler in Japan but its still a American car ...

Alephen

the lvl 1 daedric armor i make with iron is EXACTLY the same as what actual daedra wear. gotcha.

it is not a replica even though in every other elder scrolls game daedric has different stats then nondaedric armor. gotcha.

reading a 2 page book by some research assistant that only says daedric armor is the same straps and padding but with flourishes teaches a crafter how to imbue armor with daedra hearts. gotcha.

daedric armor in ESO is true daedric armor even though daedric armor is always made with ebony, always the best protection, always better than regular armor of that metal (ebony) and here it is EXACTLY the same as every other armor. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Daedric_Armor#Daedric_Armor
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Daedric_Armor <pick one. gotcha

oh, and motif does not mean '1: a usually recurring salient thematic element (as in the arts); especially: a dominant idea or central theme or 2: a single or repeated design or color.' as merriam webster suggests. nor a '1A decorative image or design, especially a repeated one forming a pattern.' as oxford dictionaries suggests. it means a perfect example of the finest craft. gotcha.

just because all of the evidence says it is fake. your compelling argument of 'it's not fake' has thoroughly convinced me. gotcha.

bugulu

What they should change is how motifs are acquired at all.
It's too late for the motifs in the game right now but for future motifs a suggestion from me would be this:

* Deconstructing an item in that racial style gives you a small chance of learning that style and thus enabling you to craft items with the correct racial stones.

No more logging out, no more overpriced motifs. You'll only be able to craft it if you're lucky to learn it.

PriorityBalle

I think they should remove relogging so you cant refill empty containers by doing so, Alephen im not reading ur posts btw, i stil disagree with whatever you wrote though.

Artemiisia

Heard that purple recipe vr5 only drops in group veteran dungeons.

there are two things in this game that aint farm-able, which I think is great

Imperial motif
purple recipe

PriorityBalle

Ive got 2 Imperial motifs, and i bought them both

DeLindsay

PriorityBalle wrote: »

Im a normal player i dont farm them, i found 3 daedric during a day ... That's not balanced, i dont farm motifs and buffing the drop ruins the game lore, no Smith or clothier in any ES game have ever been able to craft all these different armors, yes this a MMORGP but it's also an ES game and being able to find such rare crafting styles so easily is stupido.

I'm also a normal player who doesn't farm motifs and I've NEVER found a Daedric, Imperial, Barbaric or Primal. I'm VR7 and started with 5 day early access. I do have 1-9 and have found ONE AE in that time period. It's absolutely unreasonable to ask ZoS to reduce even farther the spawn rate of anything. The only reason to do so is to keep prices as high as possible for those who have the time to farm motifs for sale.

RNG luck for some people sucks bad enough already, don't ask ZoS to make it even worse.

PriorityBalle

Look im a Merchant, i buy stuff cheap and sell it more expensive, i farm motifs cause its a Waste of time, i only open containers once and then im gone.

I think they should make motifs harder to aquire because in my head it should be a Unique thing to do, that is my opinion. I think that aquiring motif's should be harder than aquiring some food recipe.

PriorityBalle

Oops -.-

Look im a Merchant, i buy stuff cheap and sell it more expensive, i farm motifs cause its a Waste of time, i only open containers once and then im gone.


Was mean to say i DONT farm motifs cause its a Waste of time, i only open containers once and then im gone.

Because in my head relogging to find motifs are not playing the game. I dont think they should reduce the drop rate, I think they should remove relogging container respawn.

Cody

PriorityBalle wrote: »

I don't see anymore references to Michelangelo.

And NO, daedric style is not fake, you learn the crafting style and then you can craft daedric armor, simple. Whatever your convinced is a replica is outrageous Im done arguing with you since you just keep comparing the how to craft daedric armor with something totally irrelevant. Your just mad you cant afford buying a motif ingame.

Im done arguing.

this is no longer a tlk about motif drop rates:/

Cody

PriorityBalle wrote: »

Look im a Merchant, i buy stuff cheap and sell it more expensive, i farm motifs cause its a Waste of time, i only open containers once and then im gone.

I think they should make motifs harder to aquire because in my head it should be a Unique thing to do, that is my opinion. I think that aquiring motif's should be harder than aquiring some food recipe.

if you don't actually look for them, you won't find them, even then, you may not find them. they ARE a unique thing to find, I find ALOT more food recipes, which I don't even use, than motifs. Motifs are fine just the way they are. Stop trying to make everyone turn into a farmer/exploiter, just because you think motifs should be more "unique" they are fine the way they are. when they got nerfed to oblivion, like you want it to be, it was horrible. even common motifs could not be found without a week of farming/hard looking. you want it to be more "unique" then force yourself to only learn "Rare" motifs, don't ruin it for everyone else.

PriorityBalle

I never said i dont look for them, i said i dont relog to do so, ive found alot rare motifs by just opening containers in houses, and that's what annoys i find them so easily when i dont need them, i have so many and there is no room in my bank.

Alephen

PriorityBalle wrote: »

I think they should remove relogging so you cant refill empty containers by doing so, Alephen im not reading ur posts btw, i stil disagree with whatever you wrote though.

i am not suprised you disagree with things you dont read. much better to decide what you want to believe and ignore all evidence. i wish i could live in a world where everything i wanted to believe was truth in my mind.

bugulu wrote: »

What they should change is how motifs are acquired at all.
It's too late for the motifs in the game right now but for future motifs a suggestion from me would be this:

* Deconstructing an item in that racial style gives you a small chance of learning that style and thus enabling you to craft items with the correct racial stones.

No more logging out, no more overpriced motifs. You'll only be able to craft it if you're lucky to learn it.

i agree completely that deconning items should give motifs. makes much more sense. some other reasonable solutions, in addition to the above:decon x number items to unlock, an increasing percentage with each piece deconned, or perhaps deconning each piece unlocks that style + piece.

however, i think this is moot since i would be suprised if they put in this type of system for the one or 2 motifs they might introduce at a time in the future. i suspect it is much more likely they keep it the same, or possible have them as loot drops. fact is this game does not reward crafting. i havent played another game where crafting is the worst way to level crafting. motifs are just one aspect of that decision.

i would ask which is worse for the economy, for new players:
buying cheap stuff to resell at higher prices, thus artificially increasing prices
or
relog farming thus increasing supply and artificially lowering prices (daedric and AE motifs have dropped from 35k to 25k (over 25%) in the week i have been farming.)

i see a problem with neither. but i see no ethical difference between them.

finally, to say farmers are not playing, is siimply saying not playing they way that person thinks they should. farming motifs, xp, trials, gear, the pvp points, ranking all the same, all people playing they way they wish to fulfill their goals.

PriorityBalle

The only reason your whining about the motif Price if because you dont have the gold.

DeLindsay

PriorityBalle wrote: »

The only reason your whining about the motif Price if because you dont have the gold.

And the only reason you're asking ZoS to nerf the spawn rate of Motifs is so YOU can make MORE gold selling them.

Bloodfang

I haven't found any motif for more than a month and counting..

PriorityBalle

If you havent found any motif's in a month your not trying, i wanna bet if you tried you could find a day.

And Again, i dont want them to nerf the drop rate, i want them to remove relogging so you cant farm racial motfis.

And ofc i wanna make gold on my motif's. Giving them away for free would be idiotic since 80 % of the people WHO /w me for the motif would probably try and sell it overpriced themself.

huntgod_ESO

In the last 2 weeks I've found 2 daedric, 3 ancient elves and 1 barbarian - that is just hitting up the Auridon bank 2-3 times a day during regular play, when I log in, when I sell and then maybe 1 more time as I get ready to log out for the day.

Bolo_Bob

i farm fishing bait... it should not be this easy.
fishing should be skillful, but it seems like everyone can catch trophy fish and then sell them for gold.

we need a fishing bait nerf next patch.

PriorityBalle

Lol Bob Best comment ever xD

Cody

PriorityBalle wrote: »

I never said i dont look for them, i said i dont relog to do so, ive found alot rare motifs by just opening containers in houses, and that's what annoys i find them so easily when i dont need them, i have so many and there is no room in my bank.

if you find rare motifs the very first time you search a house or container, you are lucky. I myself don't find them that much. heck I don't find COMMON motifs that much. there have been many times iv spent 30 mins to an hour trying to find motifs, with no success. if you have a lot of motifs, sell them! of course you will stack up on them if you never use or get rid of them! look, if you want to turn 80% of the community into farmers, and want to see Daedrics go for 300,000 gold again, fine. that's your opinion, and i respect it, but most of the rest of us do not.

Cody

disable reloging? so what if you get stuck? what if you are trying to receive some mail, what if you just want to log out and not quit, because you have to do something?

Cogo

That people, and it seams not just one or two, are spending time to relog only to "farm" motifs........anyone else then me find that kinda sad?

I go "wooohoo", when I find a motif, which doesn't happen very often

I do like how they are found, but if so many are abusing this by relogging, then Zeni would be forced to find another way to place these motifs.

The idea of the motifs must be that they have some sort of value and should be rare, but possible to find.

I think the current way is pretty ok, but gets ruined if people relogs to get them.
And I do wonder what fun that is.........?

Zenimax have stated that they will add rare items in Graglorn, that will be RARE and explained why. This is something I really look forward too. I hope relogging will not break that as well?

I have no own suggestion how to fix this, so motifs are random, but availible in a slow order.

This time its not Zenimax fault really. Abuse of the system that gives every player some chance to open a box here and there is the problem here, and that is us players. Really sad....

I guess asking players not to abuse it, would be a possible solution?

PriorityBalle

NookyZooky ... what a comment ... You can still relog, the container's just wont refill so motif farmers cant farm motifs be logging in and out for hours.

And when have i ever said i wanna turn everyone into farmers O.O I want the opposite, think you misunderstand something Nooky, and i cant help that everyone doesnt have as much gold as me, but ive made my gold fair and Square, not by relogging as a desperate person.

Alephen

you neednt feel sad that i spend time farming. i love the world cup so watching that. not too many activities to do while watching tv. dungeon crawl then wipe the group because spain just collapsed to the orange?

plus by farming i not only make gold to buy inventory slots, half the motifs i give away to guildmates. feels rather nice to help out people i have been playing games with for years, so they can play with their shorter amount of time instead of having to find someone way to make gold.

i have 2 weeks between the end of the school year and the start of summer school, so i have time. not everyone has a job where they were under 1200 hours a year. i would rather farm while the mates are off and group with them when they can play, than solo while they use their time farming.

win for me -inventory
win for them - motif
win for buyers - cheap prices
lose for sellers/dupers/market players - cheap prices
i am good with that.