Remove cancelled accounts from the forums

Ameliae

I also agree that people that aren't playing anymore should have their forum account frozen. So they can view - which everyone can anyways regardless- but not comment. People say that some unsubbers have legit comments.. um.. how can you comment on a game about what you hate/don't hate if you aren't playing after the patches and fixes? Just calls for assumptions and repeated comments about why they unsubbed etc etc. Does get boring.

Ragnar_Lodbrok

malbaboeb17_ESO wrote: »

If a player stops playing and wants to explain why, they should have 2-3 days max, to do so, on the forums or with the feedback tool. But ex-players staying for more than those said days, are here just to bring negativity and troll. The forums are filled with said comments and, quite honestly, its getting to the point where i don't even feel like coming here anymore.

So when can you start cleansing the forums from old accounts?! It makes no sense to let trolls wonder around.

EDIT: im not saying the game is perfect. Its far from it. But usually players that pay for the game, give feedback, with the intent of improving it. Players who have cancelled, for the most part, only complain about what made them quit and get that "i have nothing to lose" attitude.

Way to promote stealing what someone paid for already. You do realize they have all the right to get their 30 days of forum use they PAID FOR IN ADVANCE. Really they should ban you for posting such a totalitarian viewpoint.

Nox_Aeterna

I thought they already had a rule about the subs and the forum accounts that was similar to this?

Well , i dont have anything in favor or against this , if the sub ended , then yeah , they could change it so that the person would not be able to post after a while.

But only if the sub has ended.

williamburr2001b14_ESO

Head.hunter wrote: »

williamburr2001b14_ESO wrote: »

A couple of points: There is no way to "damage forums." It's just people talking. Just because people are saying things you don't like and don't want to hear doesn't make them trolls, or less constructive than you. This is the nature of conversation, and trying to silence others' ability to speak because their opinion threatens you is abhorrent behavior.

I'm not saying they're trolls, I'm saying there's an excessive amount of non-constructive threads about issues that have been gone over several times, where other players continue to beat down on topics in an attempt to unleash their anger. Not exactly what I would call "just talking".

Abhorrent behavior? I'm being as reasonable and fair as anyone else. Totally unwarranted label. I might say you're in denial.

And it's not just about me, it's about the game and having reasonable input that is at least somewhat moderated. I'm glad to see the mods are already bumping threads down that are just copies of week old issues, so we can move on to things that are problematic more than a couple times a day.

"Non-constructive" is an opinion. Actually it's just a synonym for "I don't like it." There's nobody beating down on anyone. People talk, other people talk back. There is no way to abuse the system in which anything unfair happens, except for this rule system where someone (with his or her own opinions) is given the capability of silencing people who disagree.

Yes, that censorship and calling for it is abhorrent. The world has war, famine, atrocity, inequality. The death knell for a regime though is when they try to take away the peoples' right to complain. Silencing voices is the one thing that will always aggravate human beings into action.

Look at your words. "Reasonable." "Somewhat moderated." "Constructive." These are all opinions. Therein lies the problem. Sure, you'd love to wield a system like this to your pleasure and advantage. Every time this has ever happened, it has been abused. It is only used to promote some opinions and prevent others.

Zershar_Vemod

GreySix wrote: »

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_HugoP wrote: »

Greetings folks,

Just to clarify: access to the forums is limited to players having game time on their account / an active subscription.

It means that if you subscription is running out, and you don't actually renew it, your forum access will be revoked as well once your game time has expired.

We know that! some people are just opposed because they want to still be able to post after they quit in case they want to return.

Know of no mainstream MMO that allows that.

SWTOR still does that in limited posts per day I believe.

Ojustaboo

Mortelus wrote: »

No!

I paid and even though I am not now, I have every right to post on these forums that are in no way linked to my actual game account.

Even if it was linked to my game account, don't copy Failed Wars: The loser Republic, by only allowing Subs to post and play a playable game...

None of us has any right really, it's entirely up to Zenimax.

I have a lifetime Lotro account and I've been banned from posting along with many other lifetime and VIP (monthly sub) players who are still playing. Not for trolling (well that apllies to most of us anyway) but for politely questioning the direction of the game and lack of raids. Again most were/are active players.

Mind you, it does make me feel like never ever playing again with their heavy handed censorship.

After some thought, I think they should have a forum section here for those thinking of joining eso or coming back to it, to be able to ask questions etc. With the rest of the forum being read only.

And any poster that trolls in that section, should have their posting privileges withdrawn, temporary ar first, but if they continue, permanently.

AlexDougherty

williamburr2001b14_ESO wrote: »

Yes, that censorship and calling for it is abhorrent. The world has war, famine, atrocity, inequality. The death knell for a regime though is when they try to take away the peoples' right to complain. Silencing voices is the one thing that will always aggravate human beings into action.

Censorship is not automatically abhorrent.

There are plenty of idiots with extreme views I don't want to see on the forums, Censureship/Moderation is the only way to stop these fools posting those views. Totally freespeech is a fine ideal, unfortunately we don't have the ideal people to go with it.

Zos moderation on these forums has been very light, with a few exceptions. They won't let you attack (however mildly) Zos Employees, They will let to attack Zos itself though, provided it's not actionable. They won't let threads diverge from their purpose, which is a shame, I remeber quite a few threads on Swtor forums that started as one thing and ended as another, they were fun, and polite too for the most part.

Everything else has been very reasonable.

Sanspoof

People without an active sub should at least have the ability to post in the customer support section in case they run into billing or other technical issues.

Don't really care about other sections, and I wouldn't mind/care if posting was restricted but everyone, regardless on whether they ever made a sub or not, should be able to read the forums.

Incidentally, my sub has expired today. I want to take a break to play the witcher games I got on a sweet sale a week ago and a break from mmo's in general. It doesn't mean I lost all interest in the game, and this forum seems to be the best place to see what changes occur. If i couldn't have access to it, it would mean it'd be harder to understand what state the game currently is which would make me reluctant to re-sub.

Nox_Aeterna

AlexDougherty wrote: »

williamburr2001b14_ESO wrote: »

Yes, that censorship and calling for it is abhorrent. The world has war, famine, atrocity, inequality. The death knell for a regime though is when they try to take away the peoples' right to complain. Silencing voices is the one thing that will always aggravate human beings into action.

Censorship is not automatically abhorrent.

There are plenty of idiots with extreme views I don't want to see on the forums, Censureship/Moderation is the only way to stop these fools posting those views. Totally freespeech is a fine ideal, unfortunately we don't have the ideal people to go with it.

Zos moderation on these forums has been very light, with a few exceptions. They won't let you attack (however mildly) Zos Employees, They will let to attack Zos itself though, provided it's not actionable. They won't let threads diverge from their purpose, which is a shame, I remeber quite a few threads on Swtor forums that started as one thing and ended as another, they were fun, and polite too for the most part.

Everything else has been very reasonable.

Hehe i would say they got better with time.

I remember the first day when we had just entered the forums , they were modding/reporting people for pretty much anything and i mean anything.

Now they are much more resonable , half the threads we see today would be totally full of removed/modded posts if they did not improve this.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO

Hypersillyman wrote: »

it would make me feel like they don't care about my opinion, my loyalty

You stopped paying them and left, where's the loyalty of which you speak?

fromtesonlineb16_ESO

williamburr2001b14_ESO wrote: »

"Non-constructive" is an opinion. Actually it's just a synonym for "I don't like it."

LOL, of course it isn't a 'synonym', but the fact you think it is explains why you're so wrong in what you're saying.

steveb16_ESO46

Ojustaboo wrote: »

Mortelus wrote: »

No!



I have a lifetime Lotro account and I've been banned from posting along with many other lifetime and VIP (monthly sub) players who are still playing. Not for trolling (well that apllies to most of us anyway) but for politely questioning the direction of the game and lack of raids. Again most were/are active players.

Me too. End result - I took the considerable amount I used to spend on their game elsewhere.

When a game forum goes all USSR you know it's a failing game.

Phantorang

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

One of the biggest problems imo, is that people don't understand what a troll is. They think that anyone that has an opposite viewpoint of theirs is a troll. The fact is, people disagree and some simply cannot take being disagreed with, and so they get butt-hurt.

There are people that like the game, people that want to like the game, and people who don't like the game. Whether someone is not paying a sub or waiting for a sub to run out, there is a reason why. Those reasons should be taken into account when looking at making changes to the game.

There are people that wanted this game to succeed beyond anyone's expectations, and it is painful to watch something you believed in fall apart. Opinions matter, negative or positive.

People post about the mistakes that were made, not to troll, but rather to see the game improved. Some word choices and perceived tones may not be exceptional, but that doesn't make their opinion any less valid.

You notice that most of the people saying they left for X game, give examples of why X game is better. That actually provides a huge amount of feedback to the developers about features that ESO is lacking and other games are offering. Could it have been done differently? Sure, but sometimes the best truth is the hurtful one.

I partly agree, but there are alot of people that flat out admits they want the game to fail, just as you asume people are just being honest, we have to asume people with those kinds of statements are also speaking the truth.

There are posters that doesnt provide anything but hate and because they are butt hurt from eso not meeting their expectations, just want to ruin it for everyone else.

Phantorang

Zershar_Vemod wrote: »

GreySix wrote: »

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_HugoP wrote: »

Greetings folks,

Just to clarify: access to the forums is limited to players having game time on their account / an active subscription.

It means that if you subscription is running out, and you don't actually renew it, your forum access will be revoked as well once your game time has expired.

We know that! some people are just opposed because they want to still be able to post after they quit in case they want to return.

Know of no mainstream MMO that allows that.

SWTOR still does that in limited posts per day I believe.

Most F2P/Pay-2-Win games allow everyone to post as long as they have an account they have payed for by buying the game and registering.

Tabbycat

They should be able to post until their subscription time runs out. No subscription time, no posting (except to the Customer Service and Technical Support areas of the forum). If they break forum rules, they should get whatever punishment ZOS sees fit to hand out up to and including being banned from the forums.

I think that's pretty standard for all MMOs.

Thechemicals

My sub lapsed and i wasnt allowed to post here. Just view

fredarbonab14_ESO

It is very simple. You are not a paying customer - you don't get to post. That solves the problem of the angry ones who spend the following year after they leave a game trying 'to get even' and make coverts or seek 'reinforcement'. Who cares why they would even choose to do this (no life maybe) but they do.

A % of people that for whatever reason do not know how to speak, express whatever they have to say in a semi-palatable fashion nor even remotely follow the Forum rules, like personal attacks of other players, OR the developers or owner (ZOS), should have their posts removed, immediately. These forums shouldn't be a place for you to share your 'rage', the fact they even feel that level of emotion over a game is their problem and toxic. Bottom line - they are bad for business, they loose.

Forget PC, equality, First Amendment rights and all that nonsense, this is a privately-owned forum provided for players exchanging ideas specifically about Elder Scroll Online and must be a civil fashion. You don't what the remotely means - you get your posts removed.

ESO has a tough job at hand, satisfy PvErs and PvPers simultaneously. Good luck, those two groups never have mixed too well, in any game. If allowed, the PvPers being by far a more aggressive group. will set the tone for the forums for the rest, happens every time. I like PvP, but I am very leery of the true nature of the extreme PvPers, the one that views PvE as an 'obstacle' on his way.

P.S. Fabulous game btw ZOS, and keep right on improving it. Auto-stacking would be very helpful; as well as the ability to RMB on a player to send a message would be a Godsend to improve communication among non-grouped players in the heat of battle as they help each other.

GreySix

Zershar_Vemod wrote: »

GreySix wrote: »

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_HugoP wrote: »

Greetings folks,

Just to clarify: access to the forums is limited to players having game time on their account / an active subscription.

It means that if you subscription is running out, and you don't actually renew it, your forum access will be revoked as well once your game time has expired.

We know that! some people are just opposed because they want to still be able to post after they quit in case they want to return.

Know of no mainstream MMO that allows that.

SWTOR still does that in limited posts per day I believe.

Interesting. Back when I first cancelled by subscription to SWTOR, I was no longer allowed to post once my sub ran out.

They must have changed that.

williamburr2001b14_ESO

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

williamburr2001b14_ESO wrote: »

"Non-constructive" is an opinion. Actually it's just a synonym for "I don't like it."

LOL, of course it isn't a 'synonym', but the fact you think it is explains why you're so wrong in what you're saying.

That was very non-constructive. You offered no insight, and attempted no argument. All you did was disagree and attack me. You should be banned for trolling.

You see the problem here?

All this talk about reasonable and constructive is a dodge. It all says the same thing: "I want to hear what I like. I don't want to hear what I don't like."

It's incredibly childish, completely rude behavior. It means you don't have the maturity to hear an opinion that differs from your own without wanting to make that opinion disappear. You want to argue against it? Go ahead, nobody's stopping you. It makes you mad? Ignore it. You want a parental authority to delete it and protect you from all future perceived threats to your own precious snowflake opinions?

Uh, no thanks. Disagree.

frwinters_ESO

ZOS_HugoP wrote: »

Greetings folks,

Just to clarify: access to the forums is limited to players having game time on their account / an active subscription.

It means that if you subscription is running out, and you don't actually renew it, your forum access will be revoked as well once your game time has expired.

Awesome so when we get people say I unsubbed boo boo we know they are full of it.

Armianlee

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_HugoP wrote: »

Greetings folks,

Just to clarify: access to the forums is limited to players having game time on their account / an active subscription.

It means that if you subscription is running out, and you don't actually renew it, your forum access will be revoked as well once your game time has expired.

Awesome so when we get people say I unsubbed boo boo we know they are full of it.

They can unsub, but as long as they have game time remaining they can log into and comment on the forums. Once their time runs dry, they will be done.

There are some people that were in beta that haven't actually bought the game that are still able to post. An oversight I am sure will be cleared up soon enough.

Head.hunter

williamburr2001b14_ESO wrote: »

Head.hunter wrote: »

williamburr2001b14_ESO wrote: »

A couple of points: There is no way to "damage forums." It's just people talking. Just because people are saying things you don't like and don't want to hear doesn't make them trolls, or less constructive than you. This is the nature of conversation, and trying to silence others' ability to speak because their opinion threatens you is abhorrent behavior.

I'm not saying they're trolls, I'm saying there's an excessive amount of non-constructive threads about issues that have been gone over several times, where other players continue to beat down on topics in an attempt to unleash their anger. Not exactly what I would call "just talking".

Abhorrent behavior? I'm being as reasonable and fair as anyone else. Totally unwarranted label. I might say you're in denial.

And it's not just about me, it's about the game and having reasonable input that is at least somewhat moderated. I'm glad to see the mods are already bumping threads down that are just copies of week old issues, so we can move on to things that are problematic more than a couple times a day.

"Non-constructive" is an opinion. Actually it's just a synonym for "I don't like it." There's nobody beating down on anyone. People talk, other people talk back. There is no way to abuse the system in which anything unfair happens, except for this rule system where someone (with his or her own opinions) is given the capability of silencing people who disagree.

Yes, that censorship and calling for it is abhorrent. The world has war, famine, atrocity, inequality. The death knell for a regime though is when they try to take away the peoples' right to complain. Silencing voices is the one thing that will always aggravate human beings into action.

Look at your words. "Reasonable." "Somewhat moderated." "Constructive." These are all opinions. Therein lies the problem. Sure, you'd love to wield a system like this to your pleasure and advantage. Every time this has ever happened, it has been abused. It is only used to promote some opinions and prevent others.

williamburr2001b14_ESO wrote: »

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

williamburr2001b14_ESO wrote: »

"Non-constructive" is an opinion. Actually it's just a synonym for "I don't like it."

LOL, of course it isn't a 'synonym', but the fact you think it is explains why you're so wrong in what you're saying.

That was very non-constructive. You offered no insight, and attempted no argument. All you did was disagree and attack me. You should be banned for trolling.

You see the problem here?

All this talk about reasonable and constructive is a dodge. It all says the same thing: "I want to hear what I like. I don't want to hear what I don't like."

It's incredibly childish, completely rude behavior. It means you don't have the maturity to hear an opinion that differs from your own without wanting to make that opinion disappear. You want to argue against it? Go ahead, nobody's stopping you. It makes you mad? Ignore it. You want a parental authority to delete it and protect you from all future perceived threats to your own precious snowflake opinions?

Uh, no thanks. Disagree.

Reread the part where I said, "It's about the game" and then reconsider the entire basis of your argument. Repeated, unsolicited remarks do have the impact to influence if not change the direction of a game, and we will defend that game, as a counterpart, if necessary.

But no, I'm wrong, wrong, wrong, and so rude, for asking that people who haven't paid to play a game should be entitled to tell Zenimax where balance is needed. That we should incorporate things into the game that will not be used by those who ask for them.

There is nothing childish about moderation, and you need to take it easy. We're not trying to "silence" anyone with an iron fist, and we're definitely not a "regime" lol.