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You actually BUFFING DK in 1.2? are you serious?
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✭daswahnsinn wrote: »What ever they did with the this update is a lie. I'm a DK and if I go up against a Sorc/Healer the same level, I'm done. I can't do enough DPS to kill them. So take two VR2 NPCs and tank and a healer vs. me a VR2 DK tank I get owned. I have tried several different setups with this char and found most of it worthless. Heavy armor, worthless. Increase health bar, nothing. Magicka resistance, looks nice does nothing. Mages have it made in this game. I saw a Sorc/Healer take out a group of five VR2 goblins in under 15 seconds, yet at the same level I would have died and not have come close to winning. It might be me or my sword is broke.
if you have trouble healing, maybe get some resto staff skills, but you can't use individual play to justify changes for a whole class.
doesn't 8 out 10 leaderboard slot say something?
doesn't highest proportion of player base say something?Edited by crislevin on June 5, 2014 12:57PM0 -
Evandus✭✭✭✭Seroczynski wrote: »Seroczynski wrote: »I don't think this guys plays a DK himself. This thread is so much fail.
nice try, I do have a level 39 DK in coldharbour, now stop assuming and get to the topic plz.
This is epic. You should go play some more on your level 39 Dragonknight mate.Dragon Blood cost 25% LESS than critical surge, and is 100% reliable, heal health AND magicka, its extremely OP, only a DK would argue otherwise.
Not your mate in any stretch of imagination, don't spew meaningless statement that has zero relevance to the topic plz.
Assuming, then making the claim that others who play the class differently than you and in different content are making untrue statements is a critical error. Doing the same when they disagree with you and citing topic relevance destroys the credibility of anything you have to say.
Think on this.
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crislevin✭✭✭✭✭
✭Seroczynski wrote: »Seroczynski wrote: »I don't think this guys plays a DK himself. This thread is so much fail.
nice try, I do have a level 39 DK in coldharbour, now stop assuming and get to the topic plz.
This is epic. You should go play some more on your level 39 Dragonknight mate.Dragon Blood cost 25% LESS than critical surge, and is 100% reliable, heal health AND magicka, its extremely OP, only a DK would argue otherwise.
Not your mate in any stretch of imagination, don't spew meaningless statement that has zero relevance to the topic plz.
Assuming, then making the claim that others who play the class differently than you and in different content are making untrue statements is a critical error. Doing the same when they disagree with you and citing topic relevance destroys the credibility of anything you have to say.
Think on this.
LOL, you are saying OP class DKs will honestly judging their OP-ness and also have complete knowledge about how other classes are actually "pretty good".
LMAO, right back at ya.1 -
Reykice✭✭✭✭✭*** sake Extended Chains is like THE most annoying PvP ability ever. I was pulled on the keep wall from down below or pulled at great heights just on the edge so if i moved i`d fall and lose 50% hp or more...
Its not even PvP its DK war out there... they can go immune to everything ranged and just stand where other classes would be splat in seconds....
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eaton68_ESO✭✭✭SuperJChat wrote: »Extended Chains (Fiery Grip morph): This ability’s cost has been decreased.
Dragon Leap: This ability’s minimum range requirement has been removed.
your nerf bolt escape and buff DK's chain? are you seriously just want DK to be able to kill sorc THAT much easier?
Flame Lash (Lava Whip morph): Increased the damage and healing for this ability’s activated follow-up attack.
you dont think DKs have enough healing? isn't Dragon blood OP enough?
Burning Talons (Dark Talons morph): Decreased this ability’s damage-over-time duration.
So the damage out put per sec is even higher? so each time they spam it, it will be more efficient in killing? Are you serious?
Even if the damage/s is not increased, they spam this so freaking often, it changes nothing.
Igneous Shield (Obsidian Shield morph): This ability now increases the healing you deal to allies for 5 seconds instead of increasing your shield value.
Oh nice, so you buff them enough they can solo craglorn, then BEG them "hey, we give you some healing to allies, please group with those low classes."
This IS ridiculous.
I smell a Dirty Sorc complaining about something he doesn't understand.
Extended chains: cost reduction. So what? Sorcs will still be able to Bolt away, they just can't SPAM it like they have been. Also, considering the other morph adds damage, and this one just extends the pull, it kinda makes sense that we shouldnt be using 1/3rd our magicka on a pull.
Dragon Leap: Minimum range requirement gone. Also doesn't make sense for you to argue this, being able to use it from a shorter range wont really help them out, considering its "range" was meant as Gap Closer, and if they are standing right next to you, there is no gap to close. the skill hasn't been Buffed in any way whatsoever
Lava Whip: increased damage and healing. You must not know this, but the healing on Lava Whip was Awful, truly a waste of a skill point. now this will make it more viable as a means of Survivability. Also if you knew anything about Dragon Blood and how math works, you would realize that Dragon blood is NOT an OP heal, considering its cost.
Dark Talons: Decreased the DoT duration. I shouldn't even have to say how ignorant you are about this... First of all you must have missed the Note about adding CC immunity to all CC's and an immunity when you dodgeroll... thats right, no more talon spam. Second, the Talons don't really do that much damage at all, they are simply a means for holding you in place so the DK can kill you with its other abilities
Obsidian Shield: increases healing to allies for 5 seconds instead of increasing your shields. Honestly your complaint about this one makes absolutely no sense. you are mad because the ability is now a group based Heal Buff instead of a Solo Armor buff? s=So basically the DK's which Solo everything now have to group? and please tell me how many DK healers you've run into that just wiped the floor with you. Seriously did you even think about what you were typing?
Thank you, you saved me a lot of typing.
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Evandus✭✭✭✭Seroczynski wrote: »Seroczynski wrote: »I don't think this guys plays a DK himself. This thread is so much fail.
nice try, I do have a level 39 DK in coldharbour, now stop assuming and get to the topic plz.
This is epic. You should go play some more on your level 39 Dragonknight mate.Dragon Blood cost 25% LESS than critical surge, and is 100% reliable, heal health AND magicka, its extremely OP, only a DK would argue otherwise.
Not your mate in any stretch of imagination, don't spew meaningless statement that has zero relevance to the topic plz.
Assuming, then making the claim that others who play the class differently than you and in different content are making untrue statements is a critical error. Doing the same when they disagree with you and citing topic relevance destroys the credibility of anything you have to say.
Think on this.
LOL, you are saying OP class DKs will honestly judging their OP-ness and also have complete knowledge about how other classes are actually "pretty good".
LMAO, right back at ya.
Excellent. I need do nothing. You've solidified your glaring ignorance for me
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Alephen✭✭✭[
Even if the damage/s is not increased, they spam this so freaking often, it changes nothing.
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This IS ridiculous.
highlighting this because it shows the original post is simply an emotional reaction without critical thought. they would have to spam it more often, using more magicka. to say such a magicka cost increase changes nothing is, indeed, ridiculous.
if you read he road ahead post, they have outright stated that DKs will be nerfed, but slowly over time. NBs will be buffed, but slowly over time. ultimate spamming will be nerfed, but slowly over time.
this post does, very much, sound like a i cant use bolt escape whine. did the OP also have a 'the area of talons being reduced doesnt matter, since they will just spam it more often' post?3 -
un_ahri✭ohhh, you said you have a lvl 39 dk? I have vr12 DK. Who knows more About DK after vr? you or me? This IS ridiculous. and you are ridiculous.3
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crislevin✭✭✭✭✭
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It was a freaking typo and I corrected it, I don't run my DK to coldhabour by knowing nothing about green dragon blood.Seroczynski wrote: »
Uhm, dude.. you do know that Dragon Blood does not regenerate Magicka right? I was trying to point that out to you. And by doing so I am making a point that you don't really seem to understand what you are getting all worked up about.Seroczynski wrote: »Seroczynski wrote: »I don't think this guys plays a DK himself. This thread is so much fail.
nice try, I do have a level 39 DK in coldharbour, now stop assuming and get to the topic plz.
This is epic. You should go play some more on your level 39 Dragonknight mate.Dragon Blood cost 25% LESS than critical surge, and is 100% reliable, heal health AND magicka, its extremely OP, only a DK would argue otherwise.
Not your mate in any stretch of imagination, don't spew meaningless statement that has zero relevance to the topic plz.
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SuperJChat✭✭✭nice try, I do have a level 39 DK in coldharbour, now stop assuming and get to the topic plz.
This made me laugh, because you being a 39 DK and me being a VR10 DK, obviously you know more about the class than I do.Any why nerf gap extender at the SAME time buffing gap closer, unless they intended to tip the balance in ones favor?
I'm about 100% sure you have a Sorc and have Bolt escape slotted right now, so you tell me, is a 99% guaranteed escape fair? Should you be able to spam it to oblivion with no downsides except that, oh look, you've left combat? Also I know very few DK's that use Extended chains anymore, there are much better skills we can slot.Dragon leap is a FREAKING CHEAP ultimate, anything buff it is a recipe for abuse.
Almost nobody uses Dragon Leap, its just not that good of an Ultimate.Dragon Blood cost 25% LESS than critical surge, and is 100% reliable, heal health AND stamina, its extremely OP, only a DK would argue otherwise.
Considering it only heals 33% of MISSING Hp, and it would take around 5 consecutive casts to gain around 90% health, which would also likely drain your magicka down to almost nothing (if you even could use it 5 times in a row, let alone 4) I still don't understand your arguement. We have little to no Magicka left after, we don't use it over and over and then spam you with spells. So no, its nice, but not OP, you just can't Burst us down fast enough to kill us, and then we use it one time, get about 37% hp, and you are out of magicka, so we kill you, end of story.Talon, you are COMPLETELY ignoring that fact that dodge roll cost A TON of stamina, A DK can SPAM talon while others will be dodge OUT OF STAMINA and get caught quickly.
You are COMPLETELY ignoring the post in the same thread you are getting these "Buffs" from that says:ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Combat & Gameplay
General- Automatic crowd-control immunity and crowd-control break immunity will now protect you from the same types of crowd-control.
Now will you shut up?The SHIELD is an absurd attempt to ask DK to group, AFTER they Buff DKs to the high heavens.
Not even gonna argue with you, you are just spewing forth nonsense that not even you understand. who cares if they push DK's toward grouping?
Now that I have Undoubtedly proven you wrong, i beseech you to just go away1 -
crislevin✭✭✭✭✭
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you have a v12 DKs and how fair do you judge your classes OP-ness? do you have a V12 sorc, V12 Temp, V12 Nb too?ohhh, you said you have a lvl 39 dk? I have vr12 DK. Who knows more About DK after vr? you or me? This IS ridiculous. and you are ridiculous.
enlightening me.
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drackonir✭✭✭Next time he sees a patch note saying that NB is being buffed he will start a whining topic saying that it should be nerfed because he is playing 23 lvl NB
As i said he must be a really bad sorcerer that he decided to roll an alt which is DK
Edited by drackonir on June 5, 2014 1:22PM"Even Gods dislike the absolute, for it stinks of something larger than themselves."
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un_ahri✭
I have v12 DK so I KNOW vr-DK's situation now. But YOU DON'T. and 1.2 is nerfing DK but not buffing.
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crislevin✭✭✭✭✭
✭SuperJChat wrote: »nice try, I do have a level 39 DK in coldharbour, now stop assuming and get to the topic plz.
This made me laugh, because you being a 39 DK and me being a VR10 DK, obviously you know more about the class than I do.Any why nerf gap extender at the SAME time buffing gap closer, unless they intended to tip the balance in ones favor?
I'm about 100% sure you have a Sorc and have Bolt escape slotted right now, so you tell me, is a 99% guaranteed escape fair? Should you be able to spam it to oblivion with no downsides except that, oh look, you've left combat? Also I know very few DK's that use Extended chains anymore, there are much better skills we can slot.Dragon leap is a FREAKING CHEAP ultimate, anything buff it is a recipe for abuse.
Almost nobody uses Dragon Leap, its just not that good of an Ultimate.Dragon Blood cost 25% LESS than critical surge, and is 100% reliable, heal health AND stamina, its extremely OP, only a DK would argue otherwise.
Considering it only heals 33% of MISSING Hp, and it would take around 5 consecutive casts to gain around 90% health, which would also likely drain your magicka down to almost nothing (if you even could use it 5 times in a row, let alone 4) I still don't understand your arguement. We have little to no Magicka left after, we don't use it over and over and then spam you with spells. So no, its nice, but not OP, you just can't Burst us down fast enough to kill us, and then we use it one time, get about 37% hp, and you are out of magicka, so we kill you, end of story.Talon, you are COMPLETELY ignoring that fact that dodge roll cost A TON of stamina, A DK can SPAM talon while others will be dodge OUT OF STAMINA and get caught quickly.
You are COMPLETELY ignoring the post in the same thread you are getting these "Buffs" from that says:ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Combat & Gameplay
General- Automatic crowd-control immunity and crowd-control break immunity will now protect you from the same types of crowd-control.
Now will you shut up?The SHIELD is an absurd attempt to ask DK to group, AFTER they Buff DKs to the high heavens.
Not even gonna argue with you, you are just spewing forth nonsense that not even you understand. who cares if they push DK's toward grouping?
Now that I have Undoubtedly proven you wrong, i beseech you to just go away
oh you know few DKs use chains, sure, we should all make buff/nerfs on your personal knowledge now? Do you even believe yourself thats how develop works?
dragon blood heals 400 health when you at half bar, heal 700 when you are near 10%, and last for 20sec, just tell me which other class has that kind of heal power.
enlighten me the situation surrounding this "Automatic crowd-control immunity and crowd-control break immunity will now protect you from the same types of crowd-control". Make a description on how this gonna go up against talon.1 -
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My god, I bet you were super OP the whole time you were doing the tutorial part too werent you? you probably didn't even die once.
And then you got to your alliance area, you probably breezed through all of it to coldharbor like a boss didn't you? and im sure you just sneezed your way through coldharbor too, and now you are Solo'ing the vet content...
Oh wait! 95% of players can solo up to coldharbor, and you haven't even beat that yet to start playing the veteran content.
You clearly have superior knowledge of how DK's are in End-Game content over those of us who are actually in the End-Game content.1 -
crislevin✭✭✭✭✭
✭SuperJChat wrote: »
My god, I bet you were super OP the whole time you were doing the tutorial part too werent you? you probably didn't even die once.
And then you got to your alliance area, you probably breezed through all of it to coldharbor like a boss didn't you? and im sure you just sneezed your way through coldharbor too, and now you are Solo'ing the vet content...
Oh wait! 95% of players can solo up to coldharbor, and you haven't even beat that yet to start playing the veteran content.
You clearly have superior knowledge of how DK's are in End-Game content over those of us who are actually in the End-Game content.
my god you are so correct! anybody doesn't play a V12 DK has zero idea how difficult and balance DK is!0 -
un_ahri✭SuperJChat wrote: »
My god, I bet you were super OP the whole time you were doing the tutorial part too werent you? you probably didn't even die once.
And then you got to your alliance area, you probably breezed through all of it to coldharbor like a boss didn't you? and im sure you just sneezed your way through coldharbor too, and now you are Solo'ing the vet content...
Oh wait! 95% of players can solo up to coldharbor, and you haven't even beat that yet to start playing the veteran content.
You clearly have superior knowledge of how DK's are in End-Game content over those of us who are actually in the End-Game content.
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✭Uhm, regarding dragon blood, you know that honor the dead heals for more, costs about the same and can crit, right? It can heal you for well over 1000 hp in one cast - and you get the cost of the ability partially returned afterwards. ANd you don't have to be very low health in order to get that 1000+ heal, either.
Now can we get off dragon blood?- The Psijic Order
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un_ahri✭Uhm, regarding dragon blood, you know that honor the dead heals for more, costs about the same and can crit, right? It can heal you for well over 1000 hp in one cast - and you get the cost of the ability partially returned afterwards. ANd you don't have to be very low health in order to get that 1000+ heal, either.
Now can we get off dragon blood?
he just knows nothing about How terrible now DK is in end-game0 -
Seroczynski✭✭✭So I've been looking at this guys profile, and it's now clear to me there is no reasoning with him. All threads are QQ threads about something Zenimax is doing wrong in his eyes. Just see the thread where he QQ's about the Escape Bolt nerf, taking a stab at DK's which is totally unrelated at that point. And another thread telling Zenimax to stop graphically enhancing the game.
Kinda sums it up for me. There will be no end to this thread. I'm out.“To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems.” ― Homer J. Simpson0 -
crislevin✭✭✭✭✭
✭Uhm, regarding dragon blood, you know that honor the dead heals for more, costs about the same and can crit, right? It can heal you for well over 1000 hp in one cast - and you get the cost of the ability partially returned afterwards. ANd you don't have to be very low health in order to get that 1000+ heal, either.
Now can we get off dragon blood?
he just knows nothing about How terrible now DK is in end-game
oh my GOD, DKs are terrible in end game!
statement of the century alright.
you know why nobody came here to argue against that? because they are hard grinding and only 1/3 to that end game your are suffering from right now.Edited by crislevin on June 5, 2014 1:42PM0 -
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✭✭✭enlighten me the situation surrounding this "Automatic crowd-control immunity and crowd-control break immunity will now protect you from the same types of crowd-control". Make a description on how this gonna go up against talon.
I'll enlighten you. It means that if I talon you once and you roll out of it, I can't talon you again for 5 secs.
Do you feel enlightened?
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SuperJChat✭✭✭oh you know few DKs use chains, sure, we should all make buff/nerfs on your personal knowledge now? Do you even believe yourself thats how develop works?
dragon blood heals 400 health when you at half bar, heal 700 when you are near 10%, and last for 20sec, just tell me which other class has that kind of heal power.
enlighten me the situation surrounding this "Automatic crowd-control immunity and crowd-control break immunity will now protect you from the same types of crowd-control". Make a description on how this gonna go up against talon.
Wow, I face-palmed.
First of all, as far as knowing people don't use chains, there are a few, superior gap closers, such as Invasion (shield charge), which not only close the gap, but also stun the target and do other things.
Second, the ability Dragon Blood, which morphs to Green Dragon Blood (the one that adds Stamina Regen, But doesn't actually restore Stamina instantly like you seem to think) is under the Class tree Draconic Power, Is a primarily Tanking class. Basically High survivability, so they don't die so easily (dont believe me take a look Mr. 39 DK) this being said it is a means of Surviving. which means in the long run, when my health is critical (under 10%) ill pop Green Dragon Blood, which will heal me up to about 30% in one cast. if you knock me back down to under 10% ill just pop it again. im not able to fully heal using GDB, but i sure as hell won't DIE if i use it. Also just so you know here are the stats on Rank 4 Green Dragon Blood:
Heals for 33% of missing Health. Increases Health Recovery by 40% and Stamina Recovery by 30% for 20 seconds. Costs 448 Magicka at Level 50.
the Health recovery and stamina recovery don't even help that much, cause they usually hit the softcap, and then we LOSE about half of the bonus they add.
And if i really have to explain to you how CC immunity works, then maybe you should just go back to skyrim. Seriously, it means that if i use Dark Talons on you, you get Locked in place, and then you either A. wait for it to end, or B. dodgeroll out of it, then for an amount of time, you will be IMMUNE to me using Dark Talons on you again. and im guessing this immunity will be around 5 seconds.
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mumok✭✭✭It seems most "Nerf the DK!" discussions focus on the PvP aspect which I really don't get into or care about.
My plead to you ZOS is if you do decide to cave to all the DK=OP talk and decide to nerf us please find a way to make those nerfs effective ONLY in Cyrodiil. Don't mess PvEr's game up because some classes are getting rolled by others in PvP. I'm not even a vet. Matter of fact I dinged 42 last night so I'm not saying this because I want to solo Craglorn or anything else that should not be done. I just want to enjoy my character and not worry that around the next corner there will be a mass re-roll taking place.
By the way this goes for all classes.0 -
Brynmere✭✭The devs who made the changes to the class are laughing at this thread...Or, maybe they're crying because their recent efforts at class balance are so misunderstood by some.0
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Alephen✭✭✭Next time he sees a patch note saying that NB is being buffed he will start a whining topic saying that it should be nerfed because he is playing 23 lvl NB
As i said he must be a really bad sorcerer that he decided to roll an alt which is DK
as a really bad templar that decided to roll an alt which is a DK, i resent that remark!0 -
Aaklor✭✭✭ohhh, you said you have a lvl 39 dk? I have vr12 DK. Who knows more About DK after vr? you or me? This IS ridiculous. and you are ridiculous.
well actually, that depends. Did you exploit one of the many craglorn(yes, I consider Anomaly farm an xp exploit), vet dungeons, or pre release pvp xp exploits. Or did you actually lvl up your char doing quests?
Just because you are VR 12 doesn't make you an expert.
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Erinshaw✭I think Zen have not looked at the big picture. They have had a knee jerk reaction to the shield bash (op) issue of the class and then gone much further. My main is a DK V3 and I am totally bemused and stuck in PVE if solo. I played for 4 hours today before work and managed to do 2 quests. Half that playtime was spent waiting for another toon to come along to make any progress. If I didn't use soul gems I would never move past a group of 3 trash. This last week the zones are just deserted.
Now I am not a min/maxer I just play and put my points where I think they are best. Sometimes I get it wrong so I live with it. My hands are not as nimble at 62 years as they once were. I play with a ping of 250 plus (no I am not in Europe) By the time I dodge I am dead as the red shows up after my health already plummets. This last week then has been a misery and not fun or entertainment.
So I started a Sorc cloth toon and OMG so easy to kill at range they are dead before they get to me. The normal roadblock encounters are not there. I also remember the betas where everyone said in pvp got to go ranged!!!
I have subscribed for 6 months and am hopeful by that time things will have evened out. The issues of pvp and pve are different and Zen needs to look at each differently and balance accordingly. They must stop listening to the doom and gloom merchants. They need to improve classes not nerf them into the ground and make the game unplayable for the average player for we are the majority. I do not mind dying but I need to enjoy the journey.
I love the game but there are many things that need attention. We play for fun and that is what is wrong at the moment too many are just plain frustrated and start trolling as a result.
Good luck to all and I hope your class becomes fun to play and gets the attention they all deserveEdited by Erinshaw on June 5, 2014 2:38PM0 -
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✭Balancing involves reducing and increasing the effectiveness of all skills, not just touching the ones that are abused. Try to be less melodramatic (for both the people who whine about nerfs, And the people who whine about buffs).0 -
Uhm, regarding dragon blood, you know that honor the dead heals for more, costs about the same and can crit, right? It can heal you for well over 1000 hp in one cast - and you get the cost of the ability partially returned afterwards. ANd you don't have to be very low health in order to get that 1000+ heal, either.
Now can we get off dragon blood?
um you know that honor the dead doesnt return magika if the target is higher than 33% after the heal?0