How can healing staffs out damage duel wield blades??

Hilgara

I was messing around with a healing staff last night. it's only levelled to about 20 but it was doing 3 times more damage with a light attack than my maxed duel wield light attacks. Something seriously wrong here.

Blackwidow

Hilgara wrote: »

I was messing around with a healing staff last night. it's only levelled to about 20 but it was doing 3 times more damage with a light attack than my maxed duel wield light attacks. Something seriously wrong here.

Is there any way you can show data?

That seems very odd.

Hilgara

Just hit a mudcrab with FTC and watch the numbers between a light attack duel wield and a light attack resto staff.

Uviryth

mudcrabs may have very high armor and lesser spellresistence

Tankqull

put points into stamina

Blackwidow

tankqullb16_ESO wrote: »

put points into stamina

That is a good point.

zgrssd

Hilgara wrote: »

I was messing around with a healing staff last night. it's only levelled to about 20 but it was doing 3 times more damage with a light attack than my maxed duel wield light attacks. Something seriously wrong here.

Hilgara wrote: »

Just hit a mudcrab with FTC and watch the numbers between a light attack duel wield and a light attack resto staff.

I am sorry, but there is so much you might be overlooking with a claim like that it is hard to take anything you say there seriously.
There are dozens of Factors that can affect the damage with either, the first being what defenses the target has.

That being said there is a distinct inbalance towards magica skill lines. They are slowly getting nerved down to the level of Stam skills.
But nothing on the "does thrice damage" level.

darkopale

My NB with a staff do more damages than with dagger and sword with a stealth backstab attack and can do ranged attack.

So just play EVERY CLASS in the game with a staff, you ll be awesome

Welcome to "The Elder STAFF Online"

Vysca

Raises a question for me, does speed of attack come into effect here? DPS doesn't mean damage per hit. It could be the blades hit for less per hit but faster, making up the difference.

darkopale wrote: »

My NB with a staff do more damages than with dagger and sword with a stealth backstab attack and can do ranged attack.

So just play EVERY CLASS in the game with a staff, you ll be awesome

Welcome to "The Elder STAFF Online"

I thought it was "sword & board is the only way to go". Or was that last week?

Hilgara

zgrssd wrote: »

I am sorry, but there is so much you might be overlooking with a claim like that it is hard to take anything you say there seriously.
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stop being so pompous. I wasn't overlooking anything. I know exactly what effects weapon damage. Both the staff and the daggers I am using get their normal attack damage from stamina BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH WEAPONS! and they are both being wielded by the same toon (i.e. me) and should therefore do fairly close damage under identical circumstances if it were balanced. So it obviously isn't.

Stratti

Simple answer

This game is designed to favor stick and dress players strongly, to the point where serious sacrifices to performance must be made if you want to play this game in anything other than a stick and a dress

I sense a transgender conspiracy

Gisgo

tankqullb16_ESO wrote: »

put points into stamina

This isnt going to make his weapon attacks stronger than his staff attacks, since both are based on stamina.

AZRainman

ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »

Simple answer

This game is designed to favor stick and dress players strongly, to the point where serious sacrifices to performance must be made if you want to play this game in anything other than a stick and a dress

I sense a transgender conspiracy

Yeah go take your stick and dress to a Trial dungeon and and compare it to a sword and baord DK to see how long you can last.. Dead do no dps.

zgrssd

@Hilgara: thrice nwo you posted here, including OP.
Thrice now you have not given us any solid data to replcaite your experiment and thus either proove or disproove the claim that "healing staff does 3 times the DPS of Dual wield".
You have ignored all requests for more data.

There is a know imbalance between Mana/Stamina build, but nothing in that severity level.

From the data you gave us and the data you did not gave us I have to asume this is moslty made up. If not you are welcome to give us actuall data so we can replciate your experiement.
At wich point I will apollogize for what I just said.

anakaki

Hilgara wrote: »

I was messing around with a healing staff last night. it's only levelled to about 20 but it was doing 3 times more damage with a light attack than my maxed duel wield light attacks. Something seriously wrong here.

No, it didn't.

coryevans_3b14_ESO

darkopale wrote: »

My NB with a staff do more damages than with dagger and sword with a stealth backstab attack and can do ranged attack.

So just play EVERY CLASS in the game with a staff, you ll be awesome

Welcome to "The Elder STAFF Online"

This only applies if you're a min/max ass-hat. My dw does just fine the way I play him.

Zabus

AZRainman wrote: »

ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »

Simple answer

This game is designed to favor stick and dress players strongly, to the point where serious sacrifices to performance must be made if you want to play this game in anything other than a stick and a dress

I sense a transgender conspiracy

Yeah go take your stick and dress to a Trial dungeon and and compare it to a sword and baord DK to see how long you can last.. Dead do no dps.

Have you honestly even done trials? Most of the trial groups I've been apart of consist of 3-4 DKs, 5-6 sorcs, and the rest are templars and MAYBE one nightblade.

If you check the leader boards, you'll see the same thing. Most of the DPS is contributed by stick and dress users lol.

Zabus

double comment whoops

zaria

Gisgo wrote: »

tankqullb16_ESO wrote: »

put points into stamina

This isnt going to make his weapon attacks stronger than his staff attacks, since both are based on stamina.

This, the issue is that stamina based abilities lack behind magic based ones and that stamina is used for other things too.

Weapon damage should not be affected here, enchants and critical has some effects.

Lynx7386

if your'e only looking at raw damage, there's your issue.

You can attack very quickly with daggers, but the staff light attack has a long 'wind down' animation afterwards that you have to suffer through. Even with animation clipping, you're only going to be attacking half as fast as someone with dual wield.

Hilgara

zgrssd wrote: »

@Hilgara: thrice nwo you posted here, including OP.
Thrice now you have not given us any solid data to replcaite your experiment and thus either proove or disproove the claim that "healing staff does 3 times the DPS of Dual wield".
You have ignored all requests for more data.

There is a know imbalance between Mana/Stamina build, but nothing in that severity level.

From the data you gave us and the data you did not gave us I have to asume this is moslty made up. If not you are welcome to give us actuall data so we can replciate your experiement.
At wich point I will apollogize for what I just said.

That's coz i'm at work you ***! Jezus, some of us have to earn a living.
In the mean time take you head out your arse, equip a couple of daggers on one bar and a healing staff on the other and compare light attack damage.

coryevans_3b14_ESO

Hilgara wrote: »

zgrssd wrote: »

@Hilgara: thrice nwo you posted here, including OP.
Thrice now you have not given us any solid data to replcaite your experiment and thus either proove or disproove the claim that "healing staff does 3 times the DPS of Dual wield".
You have ignored all requests for more data.

There is a know imbalance between Mana/Stamina build, but nothing in that severity level.

From the data you gave us and the data you did not gave us I have to asume this is moslty made up. If not you are welcome to give us actuall data so we can replciate your experiement.
At wich point I will apollogize for what I just said.

That's coz i'm at work you ***! Jezus, some of us have to earn a living.
In the mean time take you head out your arse, equip a couple of daggers on one bar and a healing staff on the other and compare light attack damage.

LOL you're at work posting on forums. I'd fire you in a heart beat.

Darrett

xsfkxnub19_ESO wrote: »

Have you honestly even done trials? Most of the trial groups I've been apart of consist of 3-4 DKs, 5-6 sorcs, and the rest are templars and MAYBE one nightblade.

If you check the leader boards, you'll see the same thing. Most of the DPS is contributed by stick and dress users lol.

Actually, you'll find people asking for DKs, Sorcerers, or NBs with specific DPS requirements. The only Templars being taken are guild mates and friends.

NBs at least have a chance at a spot because they can sustain DPS.

RangerChad

You most likely used a heavy attack, since light attack for healing staff is very weird feeling, and it's natural just to hold the attack button down.

alphawolph

coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »

Hilgara wrote: »

zgrssd wrote: »

@Hilgara: thrice nwo you posted here, including OP.
Thrice now you have not given us any solid data to replcaite your experiment and thus either proove or disproove the claim that "healing staff does 3 times the DPS of Dual wield".
You have ignored all requests for more data.

There is a know imbalance between Mana/Stamina build, but nothing in that severity level.

From the data you gave us and the data you did not gave us I have to asume this is moslty made up. If not you are welcome to give us actuall data so we can replciate your experiement.
At wich point I will apollogize for what I just said.

That's coz i'm at work you ***! Jezus, some of us have to earn a living.
In the mean time take you head out your arse, equip a couple of daggers on one bar and a healing staff on the other and compare light attack damage.

LOL you're at work posting on forums. I'd fire you in a heart beat.

Lol I'm at work too, if i was at home I'd be in game.

Xnemesis

Lynx7386 wrote: »

if your'e only looking at raw damage, there's your issue.

You can attack very quickly with daggers, but the staff light attack has a long 'wind down' animation afterwards that you have to suffer through. Even with animation clipping, you're only going to be attacking half as fast as someone with dual wield.

Agreed, you need to figure out what your DPS over a 1 min period would be with just light attacks. use simple white weapons as well because weighted will make attacks faster.