Dyes - achievement based unlocks...

Moonchilde

If you take a look at the screenshot in the latest Road Ahead post, you will notice that the color Black was unlocked by a Weekly Trial completion.
http://elderscrollsonline.com/en/news/post/2014/06/04/the-road-ahead--june-4th?ref=news-list
I don't know if this will bode well for characters dedicated to crafting and not achievements. Your main might be able to unlock colors this way, but if that character isn't the one with all the crafting skills, what will you do?

Thoughts?

ZiRM

Why would they make something so simple not simple. I mean just let people spend Gold for Dyes it's not rocket science. Dyes should of been in at retail release like most MMO's.

Snowstrider

I think its good,So we actually get rewrded for achievments,Makes them less pointless. ( i know they give you exp amd sometimes titles) But still not rewarding enough.

I wonder if it is old achievments or new achievments which unlocks the dyes.

I want them to do something with achievments points also,And i agree with you nirn,Should have been in the game from start,Along with lots of other cuztomisation stuff,And other mounts then horses.. Eso Atm does not have great cuztomisation,Lets hope for them to add more.

Edit: i looked at the pic,it says from achievment weekly trial complete.
What is that? I hope its nothing too hard so lot of people can actually enjoy dyes,
But i am more then happy that they will add dyes And i love that you can save sets you have made.

Tannakaobi

As long as it's not from group content I'm not bothered. If I have to socialize I will rage quite and troll the boards with WS love...

slayer7800

Based on the tooltip in the pic it certainly looks like the black dye is from group content (trials).

RazzPitazz

It doesnt really matter if the crafter can dye the product. The buyer has the ability to dye it however he wants, as long as he is able. Not a crafting issue unless you really want to be the all-encompassing crafter. However this did answer another question I has regarding dyes.

Catches_the_Sun

I think it's great. It makes achievements a bit more rewarding. My issue is that, just based on the small sampling of colors in the image, they've already gone overboard with them. This is Elder Scrolls, not WoW or GW2. This is supposed to be a dark, dreary land...and yet now I'll get to see Redguards wearing hot pink. /facepalm

Halrloprillalar

So long as they actually fix our achievements first...

Snowstrider

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

So long as they actually fix our achievements first...

I Agree,I would have got Pact Hero if the achievments worked.

slayer7800 wrote: »

Based on the tooltip in the pic it certainly looks like the black dye is from group content (trials).

Yeah that sucks,I am only vr4 and i think alot of people want to be able to cuztomise their character like this.

KerinKor

Tannakaobi wrote: »

As long as it's not from group content I'm not bothered.

Trials ARE group content.

If @Moonchilde is right, only those who want to deal with jerks in PUGs will be able to get the most desirable dyes.

KerinKor

Snowstrider wrote: »

Edit: i looked at the pic,it says from achievment weekly trial complete.
What is that? I hope its nothing too hard so lot of people can actually enjoy dyes,
But i am more then happy that they will add dyes And i love that you can save sets you have made.

Trials are VR group content, so ZOS are locking this feature behind forced- high-level grouping it seems.

DuelWieldingCheesyPoofs

Arnt Dyes for girls ?

DuelWieldingCheesyPoofs

ooooooooooooo pink!

DuelWieldingCheesyPoofs

KerinKor wrote: »

Snowstrider wrote: »

Edit: i looked at the pic,it says from achievment weekly trial complete.
What is that? I hope its nothing too hard so lot of people can actually enjoy dyes,
But i am more then happy that they will add dyes And i love that you can save sets you have made.

Trials are VR group content, so ZOS are locking this feature behind forced- high-level grouping it seems.

Just moan for a week and they will make it a regular drop like motifs

Snowstrider

No,That would be annoying as hell to have it be dropped like motifs.

Iluvrien

KerinKor wrote: »

Trials are VR group content, so ZOS are locking this feature behind forced- high-level grouping it seems.

Sadly this does seem to be the case.

Why something that is purely linked to crafting, which is in essence a solo activity, should only be available by taking on high-level group content makes very little sense to me. Any logical reason why this should be so eludes me entirely.

If the requirement to learn new dyes was based on research, deconstruction of existing dyed items, apprenticeship to a clothier or tailor (quest?) or even a drop based on a similar system to the motifs (a text explaining dying methods and compounds) then I could understand this.

As a group content achievement? No.

Carnage2K4

IMO dyes should be part of the Alch system, make 10 black dyes, sell them, whoever buys them can use 10, 3 on one piece of gear if they wish...

Food4Thought

The problem with having dyes unlock with higher level group content only is that many highly dedicated crafters are going into these levels already combat light. They may be able to suffer through the VR levels with help but they aren't going to be your first, second, or third choice when attempting to do trials or current endgame content where these very dyes unlock.

But on a side note, if anyone can dye a suit of armor, isn't it more likely that you can only dye an item if it is bound to you? After all, our crafting system really isn't setup to see what a piece looks like until you put it on and at that point it is bound to the player.

The reality is the dye system is probably completely separate from the crafting system and it will be on the player and not the crafter to dye it the color of their choice.

But I can only imagine how many brightly colored Khajiit there will be or how many PVP players will go with dark brown, black, or green to blend in to the background in the hope it will give them some slight advantage.

The reality is anybody who is going to PVP will likely go with neutral colors and anybody who does end game PVE content will go with bright just so they stick out.

Viblo

You looked at one tool-tip to unlocks and it's DOOM. Dyes will be unlocked with achievements of course they will make the more desirable dyes the harder achievements. With all the bitching they should scrap dyes and patch a big middle finger into the game for the players.

Dyes are not for crafters, there is no skill set for dyes, any player can dye their clothing however they want as long as they have the achievements. This post should be in general and not in crafting. DYES ARE NOT LIMITED TO CRAFTERS, THEY ARE A GENERAL PLAYER ABILITY BASED ON ACHIEVEMENTS.

Now please stop the QQ.

Alephen

Viblo wrote: »

You looked at one tool-tip to unlocks and it's DOOM. Dyes will be unlocked with achievements of course they will make the more desirable dyes the harder achievements. With all the bitching they should scrap dyes and patch a big middle finger into the game for the players.

Dyes are not for crafters, there is no skill set for dyes, any player can dye their clothing however they want as long as they have the achievements. This post should be in general and not in crafting. DYES ARE NOT LIMITED TO CRAFTERS, THEY ARE A GENERAL PLAYER ABILITY BASED ON ACHIEVEMENTS.

Now please stop the QQ.

yeah, face the fact, this is not a crafting game, it is a pvp game with a pve component. the 'crafting' is just part of the pve adventuring system, which is why a lvl 1 blacksmith with lvl 50 adv can pull mats out of an item that a lvl 50 BS with lvl 3 adventuring cannot. and why making items is the worst way to actually leveling 'crafting.'

cybersam.p_ESO

Alephen wrote: »

yeah, face the fact, this is not a crafting game, it is a pvp game with a pve component. the 'crafting' is just part of the pve adventuring system, which is why a lvl 1 blacksmith with lvl 50 adv can pull mats out of an item that a lvl 50 BS with lvl 3 adventuring cannot. and why making items is the worst way to actually leveling 'crafting.'

Wooooow.... If this game is PVP 1st then PVE, then we are doomed.
I have never seen a MMO PVP game that has survived, but I have seen many PVE games get ruined do to accommodating "crying PVPers" that are loud but very few.
I like PVP but not when it takes over the game and force developers to make all kind of nerfs and destruction to the game.

DeLindsay

In that picture there was ONE out of what, 100 dyes that was from Trials? Boo hoo, let the folks who actually get the Trials done in a timely manner have access to one single additional dye color while the rest of the population has access to all but one. There is no reason that players shouldn't have some reason to excel in an MMO. Achievements are one way, Titles another, specific gear drops (or vanity drops) are another way, etc.

Moonchilde

DeLindsay wrote: »

There is no reason that players shouldn't have some reason to excel in an MMO. Achievements are one way, Titles another, specific gear drops (or vanity drops) are another way, etc.

I can think of 3 reasons off the top of my head
1. Crafters who are spending most of their time crafting or trading, and may not even have a character suitable for VR group trials.
2. Solo players or explorers who are engaging other areas of the game
3. Roleplayers who make the most use of visual features, but have less time or interest in going out and earning achievements.

Also, we don't know if this is a requirement for only one color. It may be a requirement for all of the solid or popular colors, which I'm inclined to things is the more likely case.

RazzPitazz

Can someone tell me how dyes are purely crafting related? I get it, you color your clothes. Purely ASTHETIC, like motifs.
Did anyone else notice there were 3 different shades of BLACK. Are we seriously going to complain about the difference between Satin Black and Midnight Black?
Wait..... you mean I might have to actually EARN something that is purely asthetic as opposed to buying it with gold?
Worst case scenario, get someone who has the dye to dye it for you.... kind of like what we expect from crafters.... dun-dun-DUUUUUUUN

Moonchilde

rajaniemiorama_ESO wrote: »

Can someone tell me how dyes are purely crafting related?

I hope your not being serious about that question..

Dying has always been an integral process of the clothier and textile industries, which in times that resemble Tamriel's were known as 'crafts', or 'trades'. They were known by crafters, and sometimes the techniques of how to dye wool or other fibers were protected secrets of the profession.

You didn't just go out and kill things and then come home knowing the art and science of perfect pigmentation. You couldn't do it in medieval times, and you still can't do it today.

Most_Awesome

WTS Black dye 1000000000g

RazzPitazz

Moonchilde wrote: »

rajaniemiorama_ESO wrote: »

Can someone tell me how dyes are purely crafting related?

I hope your not being serious about that question..

Dying has always been an integral process of the clothier and textile industries, which in times that resemble Tamriel's were known as 'crafts', or 'trades'. They were known by crafters, and sometimes the techniques of how to dye wool or other fibers were protected secrets of the profession.

You didn't just go out and kill things and then come home knowing the art and science of perfect pigmentation. You couldn't do it in medieval times, and you still can't do it today.

I meant in relation to the game, though you are on point.
If a dye skill line is that necessary we might as well make racial motifs a skill line too. You don't just read a book and know how to shape bone/metal/leather/fiber perfectly. I just find this thread silly in the sense that people are complaining about a shade of color that they might not be able to get because of limitations. Are the expectations formed in realism? No. Then again I cant just "know kung-fu". Its really not a big deal. One particular shade.

bloodenragedb14_ESO

i dont want to be forced into group content to get a dye, just doesnt make sense to me

Iluvrien

rajaniemiorama_ESO wrote: »

I just find this thread silly in the sense that people are complaining about a shade of color that they might not be able to get because of limitations. Are the expectations formed in realism? No. Then again I cant just "know kung-fu". Its really not a big deal. One particular shade.

At least one particular shade. The article shows a single tooltip for a single shade (not even a shade at the end of the bar) and that tooltip suggests trials completion as the way it was unlocked.

With this information it is a pretty safe conclusion that they wouldn't show off a single shade if that was the only one that was unlocked through group content (because it would give a misleading impression). On that reasonable basis it is a good bet that this isn't about "One particular shade" but many, perhaps even all, shades.

Woolenthreads

Too many colours, IMO it should have been simpler than that *sigh*, just a base set of 16 or so max. As far as most players are concerned, Dark Navy Blue will be just as good as black.

RazzPitazz

Iluvrien wrote: »

rajaniemiorama_ESO wrote: »

I just find this thread silly in the sense that people are complaining about a shade of color that they might not be able to get because of limitations. Are the expectations formed in realism? No. Then again I cant just "know kung-fu". Its really not a big deal. One particular shade.

At least one particular shade. The article shows a single tooltip for a single shade (not even a shade at the end of the bar) and that tooltip suggests trials completion as the way it was unlocked.

With this information it is a pretty safe conclusion that they wouldn't show off a single shade if that was the only one that was unlocked through group content (because it would give a misleading impression). On that reasonable basis it is a good bet that this isn't about "One particular shade" but many, perhaps even all, shades.

The dyes are achievment based, we have known this since they announced dyes. How many forced group content achievments are there? So far they have not made one item, asthetic or not, that was completely exclusive for solo, groups, pve, pvp, class or race. Looking at all the different achievments available, I find it very hasty amd dooms-day-ish to even remotely assume the majority of dyes will be based on group content.
What if they displayed a die earned by an achievement for a solo instance? Would you have cried "no group dyes! No pvp dyes!" Not likely because now it sounds silly. And again ONE shade of ONE color has people up in arms. There are, litterally, hundreds of other more important topics, more pressing issues, better asthetic arguments than this thread. Complaining about Daedric armor is more valid than this.
Can we please get a mod in here to shed light on this topic so we can go ahead and move to complaining about other non-important things?