Healer class recommendations/info request

Hatred871

My girlfriend wants to play this and is interested in healing.

Can I get some information on how healing works in ESO(PvP and PvE specific if possible), and the differences in healing on each class.

If it helps she was a big fan of disc priest and resto druid healing in WoW. I'm not expecting too many similarities in this game though.

Thanks in advance.

anakaki

Hatred871 wrote: »

My girlfriend wants to play this and is interested in healing.

Can I get some information on how healing works in ESO(PvP and PvE specific if possible), and the differences in healing on each class.

If it helps she was a big fan of disc priest and resto druid healing in WoW. I'm not expecting too many similarities in this game though.

Thanks in advance.

Has she decided on a class yet? They are all viable healers yet some have more favour to dps/regen/versitility if necessary, especially during dungeons/trials.

Many would have you believe that the templar is the best healer, but they aren't. They do have more heals at their disposal though which can come in handy.

I'm a templar healer but if I could change character and keep gear etc, Id pick Sorcerer dark elf without looking back. The synergies with sorcerer makes it so you can't run out of magicka and you deal triple the amount of dps while healing just as well. Nightblade healers are very useful aswell in trials.

Regarding builds, try tamriel foundry and watch some youtube clips. There are loads if them out there but as with everything, to each is own.

Have fun

Syndy

Anyone can heal in the game, equip a resto staff, and boom, you are now a healer.

Healing works in this game by "smart targeting", for lack of a better word. Your ST heals will go to the player around you that the game determines needs it most. There are also many AoE puddles etc to AoE heal people in an area... However these have a cap on the amount of players healed, it's 6 or 7 atm.

Having said any player can heal, some classes are better at it than others in the current state of the game. PvE most classes can equip a resto staff pair it with a few nice synergies and do well. Sorcs do really well with their synergies healing in PvE.

PvP healing is a bit different, there is ALOT of burst dmg, I find Templars to be the best PvP healers. They can, for the most part keep up most targets for a respectable amount of time through some insane dmg. Other classes healing in PvP fair pretty well, but when someone gets focused they don't really have the heals to keep the target up.

Templar is the only class with a full "tree" dedicated to healing. Others have group buffs, bubbles, heal based on dmg etc.

plymale.jonathanb14_ESO

Until there is a dev/community manager post even acknowledging how under-performing, undesirable, and broke as **** templars are. Pick Sorc.

eliisra

No. Only Templar can heal challenging fights. Of course "challenging" is subjective. But if you have a group and a tank that's shaky, in comparison to the encounter, than you must have a Templar.

Restoration Staff is good for back-up group healing and building Ultimate. Offers nice hybridizations and comes with a few good skills. But lacks any form of powerful spot heals and burst heals. Also lacks the ability to help the tank regain stamina, another perk of Templar.

Point is, If you want good healing or main healing, than you have to play Templar. Sadly, I might add. Because their dps or tanking isn't competitive, so no flexibility as far as roles goes. But than again 3/4 classes lacks competitive healing. That's not flexible or fair either.

Really wish Eso would stay true to their "play what you want" philosophy

plymale.jonathanb14_ESO

Above post is absolutely 100% wrong. Templars only advantage healing is the healing ultimate, which is totally a non factor with a crit surge healing springs spamming sorc with barrier.

Source: V12 trial healing templar that only goes out of guild pity. It is not ideal or overall efficient to even bring 1 templar.

Edit for Clarity: templars are the best healers, However you never need the best healers in the game... for anything. You need someone that can get the job done and dps when you are not experiencing an oh-**** phase change in a boss encounter. A crit surge healing springs spam sorc is way more than enough to get the job done and can also pull 200-400% of the templar's dps during down time.

anakaki

eliisra wrote: »

No. Only Templar can heal challenging fights. Of course "challenging" is subjective. But if you have a group and a tank that's shaky, in comparison to the encounter, than you must have a Templar.

Restoration Staff is good for back-up group healing and building Ultimate. Offers nice hybridizations and comes with a few good skills. But lacks any form of powerful spot heals and burst heals. Also lacks the ability to help the tank regain stamina, another perk of Templar.

Point is, If you want good healing or main healing, than you have to play Templar. Sadly, I might add. Because their dps or tanking isn't competitive, so no flexibility as far as roles goes. But than again 3/4 classes lacks competitive healing. That's not flexible or fair either.

Really wish Eso would stay true to their "play what you want" philosophy

This is 100% false. Heard of crit surge and healing springs spamming Sorcerer with a barrier for a hat?

Also, during trials. With no deaths, who do you bring? A templar for heals and toothpick dps or a sorcerer that can switch to dps for triple the amount of any templar?

Hatred871

Awesome replies. Keep up the debate, its great info.

Thanks guys.

dakhon

plymale.jonathanb14_ESO wrote: »

Above post is absolutely 100% wrong. Templars only advantage healing is the healing ultimate, which is totally a non factor with a crit surge healing springs spamming sorc with barrier.

Source: V12 trial healing templar that only goes out of guild pity. It is not ideal or overall efficient to even bring 1 templar.

Edit for Clarity: templars are the best healers, However you never need the best healers in the game... for anything. You need someone that can get the job done and dps when you are not experiencing an oh-**** phase change in a boss encounter. A crit surge healing springs spam sorc is way more than enough to get the job done and can also pull 200-400% of the templar's dps during down time.

If you think you can heal all content with healing springs,you are a bit wrong.
Sure,when group is stacked,it works but there are a lot of situations that the group is spread.
Also when the tank gets hit for a lot of burst dmg,then you need an instant heal to get him back to full hp,ony templars have that.
Basically,the post of eliisra,above you is completely right and describes the good and bad things of templar.

Gilandred

One of the biggest differences between ESO and WoW healing is that you can't just spam heals all the time. You need to be doing something else, which for a healer, means contantly using your restoration staff heavy attack to regenerate magicka.

If she has played a disc priest and is used to atonement healing, then this would be the most similar to ESO healing. And it case it's not obvious, there is no click-healing. It's all directional, ground aoe, or smart heals.

Mephos

Edit for Clarity: templars are the best healers, However you never need the best healers in the game... for anything. You need someone that can get the job done and dps when you are not experiencing an oh-**** phase change in a boss encounter.

I think that has some true words in it.

A crit surge healing springs spam sorc is way more than enough to get the job done and can also pull 200-400% of the templar's dps during down time.

mhm, a temp can increase the whole group weapon dmg by 10% which adds up if you have a 12 people group. but yes, I think a good sorc can easy outdmg a temp.

for me its more:

temp = burst healer
sorc = hot healer
NB = hot healer

if your tank would get 2x big hits in a row no sorc or NB could heal that. so far the only class that I know can heal such burst is temp because of class skills.

but I don´t know if actually any boss exists that would hit 2x with big hits. never met something like this so far (probably because only temp could heal that).

I think temp is not superiour to other classes because of really bad magicka managment. temp healer also rely on the restro staff to get magicka running.

just my personal opinion, but I also never had contact to any good sorc or NB healers so far, so I might be wrong ^^

anakaki

Gilandred wrote: »

One of the biggest differences between ESO and WoW healing is that you can't just spam heals all the time. You need to be doing something else, which for a healer, means contantly using your restoration staff heavy attack to regenerate magicka.

If she has played a disc priest and is used to atonement healing, then this would be the most similar to ESO healing. And it case it's not obvious, there is no click-healing. It's all directional, ground aoe, or smart heals.

In WoW you tend to watch bars go up and down and many times "miss" whats really going on. I think this smart healing makes you more aware of the game rather than focusing on addons.

Phantorang

Sorcerer with Restoration Staff are the greatest healers, Resto staff has just as good or even better heals than Templar, AND the Sorcerer got Dark Deal which makes it possible to regen magicka very fast, Templar got no such thing.

My char is a Templar, and I envy the Sorcerers for their ability to heal and heal and heal with no limit, while Templar is dependent on Resto staff heavy attack to regen some Magicka.

Besides, the Sorcerer got some nice CC (Crowd Controls), which can be just as important as healing, as it prevents mobs from doing damage.

On top of that the Sorcerer absolutely steam rolls the game, soloing dolmens up to lvl 50 and extremely high DPS nearly as high as the DK.

And last but not least, Sorcerer got Bolt Escape, the god mode 1 button escapeANDstun.

Tatuaje

I have run a Temp healer from the start. I use a mix of restro staff and class skills for heals. I like cherry picking the best of both lines (swapping out as the run requires). At V3 I really have no smurf juice issues. With the proper glyphs, points allocated, etc I sit 100 points below cap. Eat some tasty chow right before the bigger fights and I zoom past cap. If I do need more a few tags with the restro staff or a pot and all is good.

On the other hand, as a healer I experience agro like no other MMO I have ever played. Getting healing agro in most games is due to bad game play or popping an Oh $h!t healing skill if some gets tagged hard. In TESO I can back off 1 room, let the fight start and the mobs will still race for me. The guild members get a good laugh out of it until the tank/agro player snaps it up.

In the end I would say as far as healing either a Sorc or Templar will get it done, so what would she like to do in off times. Templar DPS is less than stellar, so if she is a DPS fan (I am so - so) she may want to go Sorc.

plymale.jonathanb14_ESO

dakhon wrote: »

If you think you can heal all content with healing springs,you are a bit wrong.
Sure,when group is stacked,it works but there are a lot of situations that the group is spread.
Also when the tank gets hit for a lot of burst dmg,then you need an instant heal to get him back to full hp,ony templars have that.
Basically,the post of eliisra,above you is completely right and describes the good and bad things of templar.

I don't want my disagreement to come off as a personal attack, or to insinuate that your experiences with the game are somehow wrong. With that being said, It seems like you have never played with a non-templar healer running the alliance war support ultimate "Barrier". This skill trivializes those big hits you are referring to. When used in conjunction with other class ultimate and the siege shield, it allows raids to completely ignore encounter mechanics and run straight dps on bosses (specifically in trials). This is the easiest and most efficient way of doing end-game content, and if gaming/mmo history has taught us anything, its that players will Always collectively gravitate to the fastest/easiest route to end game gearing and raiding.

If you can accept the above premise, then it stands to reason that templars inevitably have and will continue to be marginalized for raiding / dungeon runs until class balance is addressed. A lot of the rage you will see on these forums, perhaps rightly so, is because there has not been a single ZOS acknowledgement of how down and out templars feel in the "meta" right now.

Syndy

anakaki wrote: »

Gilandred wrote: »

One of the biggest differences between ESO and WoW healing is that you can't just spam heals all the time. You need to be doing something else, which for a healer, means contantly using your restoration staff heavy attack to regenerate magicka.

If she has played a disc priest and is used to atonement healing, then this would be the most similar to ESO healing. And it case it's not obvious, there is no click-healing. It's all directional, ground aoe, or smart heals.

In WoW you tend to watch bars go up and down and many times "miss" whats really going on. I think this smart healing makes you more aware of the game rather than focusing on addons.

I healed in WoW, Rift, WAR, Tera, and now ESO. I can say without a doubt that Tera had the most fun healing I have ever played... You had to be aware of the bosses positions, your position, the bosses telegraphs, and all of these where you had a target recticle like ESO in the center of your screen where you actually had to target the player to you wanted to heal with a ST heal...

Later on you could add a "morph" to the skill that let you target and lock on to multiple targets then cast the heal when needed.

I had a blast healing in Tera, I am sure that game made me a better healer... in WoW, for the most part all I did was play Whack-a-mole with bars, didn't have to pay attention to anything else.

Having played Tera it really made me a better pvp healer in WAR, now ESO, where you must always be aware of the battlefield and your positioning.

Gilandred

anakaki wrote: »

Gilandred wrote: »

One of the biggest differences between ESO and WoW healing is that you can't just spam heals all the time. You need to be doing something else, which for a healer, means contantly using your restoration staff heavy attack to regenerate magicka.

If she has played a disc priest and is used to atonement healing, then this would be the most similar to ESO healing. And it case it's not obvious, there is no click-healing. It's all directional, ground aoe, or smart heals.

In WoW you tend to watch bars go up and down and many times "miss" whats really going on. I think this smart healing makes you more aware of the game rather than focusing on addons.

I think there are pluses and minuses to both systems. I agree that ESO encourages you to be more "in the action." However, since I'm not a fan of atonement healing in WoW, I'm not really digging the resto staff heavy attack requirement in ESO.

anakaki

plymale.jonathanb14_ESO wrote: »

dakhon wrote: »

If you think you can heal all content with healing springs,you are a bit wrong.
Sure,when group is stacked,it works but there are a lot of situations that the group is spread.
Also when the tank gets hit for a lot of burst dmg,then you need an instant heal to get him back to full hp,ony templars have that.
Basically,the post of eliisra,above you is completely right and describes the good and bad things of templar.

I don't want my disagreement to come off as a personal attack, or to insinuate that your experiences with the game are somehow wrong. With that being said, It seems like you have never played with a non-templar healer running the alliance war support ultimate "Barrier". This skill trivializes those big hits you are referring to. When used in conjunction with other class ultimate and the siege shield, it allows raids to completely ignore encounter mechanics and run straight dps on bosses (specifically in trials). This is the easiest and most efficient way of doing end-game content, and if gaming/mmo history has taught us anything, its that players will Always collectively gravitate to the fastest/easiest route to end game gearing and raiding.

If you can accept the above premise, then it stands to reason that templars inevitably have and will continue to be marginalized for raiding / dungeon runs until class balance is addressed. A lot of the rage you will see on these forums, perhaps rightly so, is because there has not been a single ZOS acknowledgement of how down and out templars feel in the "meta" right now.

@dakhon‌

This.

I was about to answer you but I felt we would get off topic. Post above pretty much sums it up.

anakaki

f0rgiv3n27b14_ESO wrote: »

anakaki wrote: »

Gilandred wrote: »

One of the biggest differences between ESO and WoW healing is that you can't just spam heals all the time. You need to be doing something else, which for a healer, means contantly using your restoration staff heavy attack to regenerate magicka.

If she has played a disc priest and is used to atonement healing, then this would be the most similar to ESO healing. And it case it's not obvious, there is no click-healing. It's all directional, ground aoe, or smart heals.

In WoW you tend to watch bars go up and down and many times "miss" whats really going on. I think this smart healing makes you more aware of the game rather than focusing on addons.

I healed in WoW, Rift, WAR, Tera, and now ESO. I can say without a doubt that Tera had the most fun healing I have ever played... You had to be aware of the bosses positions, your position, the bosses telegraphs, and all of these where you had a target recticle like ESO in the center of your screen where you actually had to target the player to you wanted to heal with a ST heal...

Later on you could add a "morph" to the skill that let you target and lock on to multiple targets then cast the heal when needed.

I had a blast healing in Tera, I am sure that game made me a better healer... in WoW, for the most part all I did was play Whack-a-mole with bars, didn't have to pay attention to anything else.

Having played Tera it really made me a better pvp healer in WAR, now ESO, where you must always be aware of the battlefield and your positioning.

Warhammer

Phantorang

Gilandred wrote: »

I think there are pluses and minuses to both systems. I agree that ESO encourages you to be more "in the action." However, since I'm not a fan of atonement healing in WoW, I'm not really digging the resto staff heavy attack requirement in ESO.

Agreed, the Resto Heavy attack requirement pretty much takes alot of the fun away from being a templar healer, And a templar healer without the resto staff isnt viable, which kind of minimizes the otherwise powerful potential of the Templar healing tree.

PF1901

anakaki wrote: »

plymale.jonathanb14_ESO wrote: »

dakhon wrote: »

If you think you can heal all content with healing springs,you are a bit wrong.
Sure,when group is stacked,it works but there are a lot of situations that the group is spread.
Also when the tank gets hit for a lot of burst dmg,then you need an instant heal to get him back to full hp,ony templars have that.
Basically,the post of eliisra,above you is completely right and describes the good and bad things of templar.

I don't want my disagreement to come off as a personal attack, or to insinuate that your experiences with the game are somehow wrong. With that being said, It seems like you have never played with a non-templar healer running the alliance war support ultimate "Barrier". This skill trivializes those big hits you are referring to. When used in conjunction with other class ultimate and the siege shield, it allows raids to completely ignore encounter mechanics and run straight dps on bosses (specifically in trials). This is the easiest and most efficient way of doing end-game content, and if gaming/mmo history has taught us anything, its that players will Always collectively gravitate to the fastest/easiest route to end game gearing and raiding.

If you can accept the above premise, then it stands to reason that templars inevitably have and will continue to be marginalized for raiding / dungeon runs until class balance is addressed. A lot of the rage you will see on these forums, perhaps rightly so, is because there has not been a single ZOS acknowledgement of how down and out templars feel in the "meta" right now.

@dakhon‌

This.

I was about to answer you but I felt we would get off topic. Post above pretty much sums it up.

Irks me a wee bit - or maybe I got the wrong impression - that a non templar with a healing staff seems to be doing as good a job if not better than a templar with healing staff and running the class healing tree. If i ever have the nerve to make an alt I'll try it out myself.

Edited - damn spelling.

anakaki

PF1901 wrote: »

anakaki wrote: »

plymale.jonathanb14_ESO wrote: »

dakhon wrote: »

If you think you can heal all content with healing springs,you are a bit wrong.
Sure,when group is stacked,it works but there are a lot of situations that the group is spread.
Also when the tank gets hit for a lot of burst dmg,then you need an instant heal to get him back to full hp,ony templars have that.
Basically,the post of eliisra,above you is completely right and describes the good and bad things of templar.

I don't want my disagreement to come off as a personal attack, or to insinuate that your experiences with the game are somehow wrong. With that being said, It seems like you have never played with a non-templar healer running the alliance war support ultimate "Barrier". This skill trivializes those big hits you are referring to. When used in conjunction with other class ultimate and the siege shield, it allows raids to completely ignore encounter mechanics and run straight dps on bosses (specifically in trials). This is the easiest and most efficient way of doing end-game content, and if gaming/mmo history has taught us anything, its that players will Always collectively gravitate to the fastest/easiest route to end game gearing and raiding.

If you can accept the above premise, then it stands to reason that templars inevitably have and will continue to be marginalized for raiding / dungeon runs until class balance is addressed. A lot of the rage you will see on these forums, perhaps rightly so, is because there has not been a single ZOS acknowledgement of how down and out templars feel in the "meta" right now.

@dakhon‌

This.

I was about to answer you but I felt we would get off topic. Post above pretty much sums it up.

Irks me a wee bit - or maybe I got the wrong impression - that a non templar with a healing staff seems to be doing as good as a job if not better than a templar with healing staff and running the class healing tree. If i ever have the nerve to make an alt I'll try it out myself.

Yes. I want to heal and I'd reroll if it weren't for veteran content. Plus you have a ton of damage (roughly 300% more) on a sorc. This isn't a L2P issue but in the core of the templar vs sorcerer class mechanics.

Inco

When big bad Daedric's attack me and touch me in the no-no place I like to WHACK them with my Restoration Staff and H2F (Insert You-Tube Heal to Full - SWTOR Parody) via my Templar Ultimate to save my group and self.

Templar Healer has some great skills that only Templar's get. Sadly like it's been mentioned we got the short end of the stick for DPS (No matter the combo) - IMHO.