Dragon Knights to weak?

Lordus

This is something I'd like to simply cleared up. I myself am a DK and I've noticed that I die pretty easy for a veteran 4 in the PvE world.
Out there I see all other classes taking on a few mobs at a time (especially the mages) without much of a struggle, however when I'm in their situation I seem to barely make it or just end up dying anyway in the end.

I'm a Dunmer with your basic sword and shield with a whole set of Daedric heavy armor with the fire whip, ash cloud, obsidian shield, shield charge, silver bolts and the Corrosive armor ability.

Am I doing something wrong here or am I not being strategic enough?
This is also common in the PvP world but I'm not to fussy on that anyway.

ZiRM

Yes, you should DELETE and play NightBlade.

Commonpain

1.Take Light Armor
2.Take Destro Staff/Resto Staff
3.Take FOTM DK build (you'll find such on the Forums or Youtube)
4.Faceroll-own everything

This game was meant to be "play the way you want"
At the moment its rather "play that way or you're gonna have a hard time"

cheers

babylon

Haven't you heard - Templar are the new OP, you should re-roll quickly.

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO

You are doing something wrong as well as I do. I am sorc with heavy armor, sword and shield, puncture, shield charge, vicious curse, bolt escape and bound armor. I am only vet 2 now, but I strugle with this set up. I thought that I shoukd be able to sustain more damage with like 2400 armor (when puncture is used). But mobs are still doing high damage. In PvP I live a very little longer.

My healing set up with full light armor seems to be better. But I am not complaing. I see tanking as support class that distracts, takes damage. This is how I play in PvP. I keep enemy on the ground so the team can kill them.

I was going full healer set up from the start, but when I reached level 50 with light armor I thought it is a waste not to level up the other armors :-)

Lordus

Commonpain wrote: »

This game was meant to be "play the way you want"
At the moment its rather "play that way or you're gonna have a hard time"

NiRN wrote: »

Yes, you should DELETE and play NightBlade.

Haha, really?

I was seriously considering changing my character altogether. I've dedicated so much time in this one profile and I don't like the idea of stopping it right there in its tracks.

If this is the case then what you you guys recommend for me? I'm not fussed in game play or style but just the class itself.

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO

Just keep playing what you like. Don't get affected by min maxers. If you play more pve, seek some players to help you. It is more run than facerolling everything in your way.

Maulkin

I get the feeling you're trolling, since half the threads in this forum are about DKs being OP and if you found your way here, you can't have missed them. But just in case you're not...

True, vet levels are pretty hard that's been documented. However if you can't complete them with a DK, then you're not gonna complete them with any other class. It's not a DK issue, they got plenty of fire power that's for sure

Multiple mobs need AoE to burn through them quickly and the build you posted has no AoE. If you want to stick to sword and shield and avoid the AoE power of the destro staff then use what your class has: Talons, Fiery Breath, Inhale.

If you want to be just Flame Whipping one NPC/Monster to death before switching to the next, then at least use Petrify to stun one of your targets and reduce the amount of incoming damage & active targets.

Azarul

I am also a S&S DK lvl 1-50, then when I hit the veteran ranks I grabbed the Destro and Resto staffs just to level to 50 since I already had leveled 2hand,bow, and S&S to 50. Its definitely much easier than the sword shield in PvE IMO. In PvP I still do much much better with the sword and shield. The one ability I do not see you mention that I believe is a must is Searing Strike morphed to Unstable Flame.

Baphomet

Try switching out silver bolts with inhale. For the VR content, you need some AoE or high single target dps. You won't find very high single target dps with the dragonknight so AoE is the way to go.

drackonir

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

I get the feeling you're trolling,

He is not. Why everyone on this forum think that all DK are destro based specs? Majority of ppl playing this class start it as a melee based class and most of them reach vet ranks as a such build, without being interested in spell casting. Only later on the "need" of being competitive in end game content force many to respec and look for alternative builds.

Yes, DK can be a strong class, seen by many as overpowered class but the reality is quite different. In hands of most players DK is just another class out there that struggle to kill a group of 3-4 regular mobs.

ErykGrimm

In order to be effective in end game content you must be willing to wear a dress and use a staff. Sadly.

Covyn

Even when I went Heavy Armor, sword and board on my DK I had no issue taking out 5-10 mobs at a time. Granted, it didn't scale well past VR5...with the nerf to shield bash, it was quite damaging to my single target damage.

This is in comparison to the Light Armor staff build I ran which allowed me to kill 20+ mobs with ease, regardless of level or difficulty.

The DK was overpowered IN COMPARISON to the other classes, and there is no argument. They addressed it, but they have yet to address ANY of the STA builds and other weapons/armor in a positive way.

You can claim to "not care about min/max" but if you don't care about finding a working skill rotation/Synergies/resource allocation, you can expect to die.....often. Perhaps if ZoS spent some time bringing some skills up, at the same time nerfing others, the balance would be easier to achieve for the casual player.

anakaki

babylon wrote: »

Haven't you heard - Templar are the new OP, you should re-roll quickly.

This made me smile

Azarul

Covyn wrote: »

Even when I went Heavy Armor, sword and board on my DK I had no issue taking out 5-10 mobs at a time. Granted, it didn't scale well past VR5...with the nerf to shield bash, it was quite damaging to my single target damage.

This is in comparison to the Light Armor staff build I ran which allowed me to kill 20+ mobs with ease, regardless of level or difficulty.

This I need to see video of. I would like to see a video of you taking on 20 Veteran rank mobs at level and living. Your only chance would be with the banner I guess.

I could be wrong, but I consider myself at least an average player and there's no way I am getting through more than 5-8 veteran mobs on level.

Maulkin

drackonir wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

I get the feeling you're trolling,

He is not. Why everyone on this forum think that all DK are destro based specs? Majority of ppl playing this class start it as a melee based class and most of them reach vet ranks as a such build, without being interested in spell casting. Only later on the "need" of being competitive in end game content force many to respec and look for alternative builds.

Yes, DK can be a strong class, seen by many as overpowered class but the reality is quite different. In hands of most players DK is just another class out there that struggle to kill a group of 3-4 regular mobs.

I play a S&B DK in both PvE & PvP, so no I don't assume every DK plays destro staff. But spec'ing the (certainly pre-nerfs) most powerful class, for single target dmg then saying it's underpowered because you get killed by groups of 4-5 mobs is bound to raise some eyebrows, don't you think?

Also most people I know find the Pyromage build abusing Siphon Spirit, Flames of Oblivion & Magicka Furnace set to keep magicka at 100% while throwing one Standard after the next cheesy as f*ck and (after I've done it 10 times) as boring as any God mode. If you don't use the above ridiculously OP combo (nicknamed infinitank), playing vet ranks with a Destro Staff DK is actually harder than S&B because the amount of incoming damage when wearing 7 light armour and no shield is off the scale. We don't have pets to tank for us like Sorcs do.

Not every destro staff DK build is OP, only certain builds that use certain combinations

Eivar

I Play a weaponless dk wearing light armor, I have no issues at all unless it's a boss with high HP.

Khivas_Carrick

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO wrote: »

Just keep playing what you like. Don't get affected by min maxers. If you play more pve, seek some players to help you. It is more run than facerolling everything in your way.

The problem there is that in this game there shouldn't be the ability to min-max. This isn't WoW or SWTOR or some point and click MMO, this is an Action RPG, and every choice you make needs to be a viable one and just as effective as the next guy no matter what choices you made. That's the point, and again, as I say,t he hard-on ZoS has for Magicka users is RETARDEDLY strong. I haven't had this much of an issue with magic users in a game being this strong since Vanilla and Burning Crusade days of WoW.

And that's saying something, freaking SWTOR had better starting class balance than this.

Baphomet

Must have had some more skilled players, too.

Krinaman

Not it's not just you. Like most games that give players lots of character options 85% of them suck, 10% are ok and 5% are completely OP.

For me, nothing sucks the fun out of a game more than looking up the FOTM build and using what everybody else does.

As a heavy armor dual wield DK I face rolled till 50 and then struggled when I hit vet levels versus multiple mobs. Even with heavy armor 3 mobs would destroy me before I could kill one. At the time I was just using gear I looted (so greens the occasional blue and whatever stat they had).

With a few tweaks I was able to complete the content much easier:

1 - Petrify. Keep one mob permanently locked down. This is also great for end bosses. Cheesy but you can CC them and stand there and regen. Smack them a couple times and CC them again.

2 - Ash cloud - does damage, makes them miss and snares them. Awesome. Also breaks your CC so be careful with this.

3 - Health - I stacked mag/stam to 50 with little regard to health. In vet levels stacking health made things much easier.

4 - Set bonuses. I started crafting my own armor instead of just using whatever I picked up.

A couple of more things I could of/should of done.

1 - food - cheap and easy way to boost a stat. Stop by your local inn if you don't cook.
2 - Better enchants - I like crafting my own stuff but enchanting is a nightmare to level so I could never craft on level ones. As a result I used vendor enchants. The crafted give much better stats.

TetsuMaru

Im a 49 dk sword and board redgaurd who uses a bow as oh. My build is my own and thus far I have had little to no trouble killing mobs. It just takes a while when compared to my sorc or nb. Which makes complete sense because I am a tank. People shouldnt be jealous about a dps class out dpsing them if they are not built for damage. Soft cap what matters to your build. Im sc on spell resist, health, armor, and health regen. Really looking forward to hitting 50 after work today to see what the fuss about the combat is like in vr content.

Jimm_ay

What makes Destro/Reso staff so good on a DK? I have never played on or teamed with one who used it.

Wifeaggro13

Commonpain wrote: »

1.Take Light Armor
2.Take Destro Staff/Resto Staff
3.Take FOTM DK build (you'll find such on the Forums or Youtube)
4.Faceroll-own everything

This game was meant to be "play the way you want"
At the moment its rather "play that way or you're gonna have a hard time"

cheers

Completely broken melee and horrible imbalanced Armor passives for the win! yaye caster scrolls online!

Lordus

Thanks for the comments guys, I'll stick to my DK character since I've come to far with him, however I will experiment a bit with all other classes and see if I like any of them more

Stratti

Lordus wrote: »

Thanks for the comments guys, I'll stick to my DK character since I've come to far with him, however I will experiment a bit with all other classes and see if I like any of them more

I would not change they will nerf and buff away and 3 months from now it will be better. The nerfs on Dk are targeting different builds now and we got a bit of a buff in the next patch as S+B

andreas.rudroffb16_ESO

ipkonfigcub18_ESO

NiRN wrote: »

Yes, you should DELETE and play NightBlade.

what he said

Stratti

In fairness he is talking about a specific build not the class

grizzbi

I think the OP is trolling.

Anyway, I just spent a few minutes with a tank DK heavy armor/1H&shield in a VR5 public dungeon filled with Trolls. As a melee Templar, I had to use all my tools available in both skill bar + avoid the attacks etc..The guy was just standing in front of the troll hitting him, not avoiding any attack..and his health points were barely moving. I don't think his life dropped at less than 80%. And on top of that he was doing more DPS than I do. I don't play a DK and I couldn't comment on what has been changed. But I can tell you that DK looks still as OP as they have always been. That's - of course - from a templar point of view.

TL:DR
If you think that a DK is weak...well...don't try a NB or a Templar. Maybe a Sorc if you like that kind of gameplay.

Sakiri

Khivas_Carrick wrote: »

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO wrote: »

Just keep playing what you like. Don't get affected by min maxers. If you play more pve, seek some players to help you. It is more run than facerolling everything in your way.

The problem there is that in this game there shouldn't be the ability to min-max. This isn't WoW or SWTOR or some point and click MMO, this is an Action RPG, and every choice you make needs to be a viable one and just as effective as the next guy no matter what choices you made. That's the point, and again, as I say,t he hard-on ZoS has for Magicka users is RETARDEDLY strong. I haven't had this much of an issue with magic users in a game being this strong since Vanilla and Burning Crusade days of WoW.

And that's saying something, freaking SWTOR had better starting class balance than this.

One of the strongest pvp classes in vanilla wow didnt use mana.....

Loco_Mofo

Commonpain wrote: »

1.Take Light Armor
2.Take Destro Staff/Resto Staff
3.Take FOTM DK build (you'll find such on the Forums or Youtube)
4.Faceroll-own everything

This game was meant to be "play the way you want"
At the moment its rather "play that way or you're gonna have a hard time"

cheers

1 & 2 can be applied to every class in this game with great success. The sad truth.