How many addons do you use, if any?

zgrssd

I am an addon programmer so I have some interest in seeing how well liked Addons are on the big scale.
I also know that some people choose to intentionally not use Addons and I am interested in how big a factor that is (or the reason for why you choose to do so).

Also please note if you are Addon Programmer and if you release your addons to the public or only use them for yourself/close friends.

Rylana

1-5 Addons

FTC. Skyshard Finder, something about wykkid framework i never turned on.. i think?

But yeah mostly FTC and skyshard thing.

zgrssd

26+ Addons (I have a scroll bar in my Addon list)

My Addon list has a scrollbar.

I am also a programmer, even if I only have made one so far (Unified Chat Tabs).
Did some tests on others, and started making a new one.

Kwas

6-10 Addons

Bout 6 or 8 at the moment, can't remember. Simple rule - if I see/hear about something that might be useful, I'll give it a try.

Blackwidow

26+ Addons (I have a scroll bar in my Addon list)

Way too freaking many.

Shame on ZOS.

Seroczynski

26+ Addons (I have a scroll bar in my Addon list)

I install a lot of small addons for minor tweaks. I am not an addon programmer but programmer in real life, so I sometimes make adjustment to addons I use.

Gisgo

1-5 Addons

To see buffs timers mostly.

Yakidafi

1-5 Addons

1 so I can see enemy health in %

and one so I can see my own health in %

so 2 addons that I use maybe 1% of what they offer, so much clutter

dennissomb16_ESO

I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)

Many reasons for me. Simple ones are things like, new major content comes out and addons become out of date, issues with game, first thing support asks "are you using any addons?", memory load can lead to issues

Another issue for me is security. Just like Apps on your smart phone, many of them are used for tracking your online activities and there is simply no way to vet the people making mods for games

From a gaming point of view, Producers allowing the client side trust for mods to work is one of the main reasons the door is open for Bots, hackers etc. From a purely personal POV I think mods do to much and allow players unintended advantages. Of course I don't have to use them but other players using them can cause issues from gathering, combat advantages (not in this game to much yet, but look at WoW to see where it will go)

So simply, I don't use them and truthfully have not missed them so far

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO

I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)

I use none, game do provide everything I need.

AinGeal

1-5 Addons

Three

One to show buffs/debuffs, health bars in %, etc.
One to show me when my weapon enchants are running out.
One that changes the text choice option to be Khajiit speak.

However I agree with denni's post above. I'd gladly give'em up if it meant making the game more secure.

Rocksteady

I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)

As soon as they add a search bar in the guild store I won't need anything from any addon... I don't use any now but it's making me bitter and angry atm.

Dayv

I don't know how anyone could play VR without status effect timers, resource management is critical and over spamming or under spamming abilities gets you a funeral.

zgrssd

26+ Addons (I have a scroll bar in my Addon list)

dennissomb16_ESO wrote: »

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I am sorry, but you knowledge is fundamentally wrong in the following parts:
Your first mistakle was mixing up Addons and Mods. Comparing them is like comparing a hungry T-Rex (Mods) to a housebroken dachshund (Addons).

Out of Date generally means nothing bad. Only it might not work anymore. So the game wants to make certain you know this might be a cause of problems.

There is no security risk. At tops we can set the Guild note and send a mail every 5 seconds - when you have the mail window open. I know only of one addon that uses it and it does so to send new ingame data to the Addon Programmer (like boss positions).

Addons cannot be used for botting. Every claim to the contrary is wrong. We can do almost nothing that requires only a single Mouse or Keypress. Inlcuding everything combat, movement and gathering related.
We can compress somethign that takes a lot of steps to fewer steps, but can rarely do the final step.

There is no unfair advantage with Addons. Everything Addons can do is explicitly allowed and made possible by Zenimax and thus been part of thier overall plan. If they think it would be unfair it they would switch one boolean value on the server and turn it off.

Jeremy

I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)

In my opinion: addons should either be incorporated into the official game design and supported (not just allowed) by Zenimax or not used at all.

No one should ever feel compelled to download unpredictable programs from an outside source they may or may not be comfortable with to play this game.

AlexDougherty

I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)

Add-ons slow down your system, and given how poorly the game works, I want everything working at their best.

Besides There are no add-ons I want, they either remove any sense of exploration/experimentation, or they do something I'm just not bothered about (like measure DPS rates).

The only one I've considered is for reporting bots, but not yet.

Lodestar

I use no addons, but not intentionally

zgrssd wrote: »

I am sorry, but you knowledge is fundamentally wrong in the following parts:
Your first mistakle was mixing up Addons and Mods. Comparing them is like comparing a hungry T-Rex (Mods) to a housebroken dachshund (Addons).

Out of Date generally means nothing bad. Only it might not work anymore. So the game wants to make certain you know this might be a cause of problems.

There is no security risk. At tops we can set the Guild note and send a mail every 5 seconds - when you have the mail window open. I know only of one addon that uses it and it does so to send new ingame data to the Addon Programmer (like boss positions).

Addons cannot be used for botting. Every claim to the contrary is wrong. We can do almost nothing that requires only a single Mouse or Keypress. Inlcuding everything combat, movement and gathering related.
We can compress somethign that takes a lot of steps to fewer steps, but can rarely do the final step.

There is no unfair advantage with Addons. Everything Addons can do is explicitly allowed and made possible by Zenimax and thus been part of thier overall plan. If they think it would be unfair it they would switch one boolean value on the server and turn it off.

Good info that clarifies quite a bit.

May I suggest you add a condensed version of this info, particularly your first point at least, into your OP somewhere? It may minimise the misunderstandings, and improve the poll, by making more people make informed choices, rather than choices on misconceptions.

Otherwise you will get a poll showing what people think under the views of what that think add ons are.

GreySix

1-5 Addons

I use two:

• Map addon for skyshards
• Map addon for lore books

Were an addon available that facilitated grouping in currently solo-only instances, I'd use that too.

MrBeatDown

I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)

I do not use or condone the use of addons. It opens this game up to too many problems, such as bots, hacks, dupes, etc. And it gives other players an unfair advantage over others. If the features that are developed outside of this game are so safe and good, Then they should be incorporated into the game, and not brought in from a 3rd party source. Basically, this game was already hacked and cracked on pts, and they let it go live. That's why this game suffers from the bot problem and gold spammers that it has now. This game does not have integrity. Its a free for all to who can develop the best hack and has even been granted permission to use at will in this game. Makes no sense. If your programs are so good, then zenimax should buy them from you or hire you so you can implement them in game. But letting everybody mod the hell out of this game at free will is counter productive. Send in your resume or fill out the application if you think you can improve this game. Don't ruin it for everyone else.

Oevaag_Bur

I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)

Thought about a research timer and some other crafting ones early on but didn't fancy extra stuff on screen so didn't bother in the end.

Not really had a use for anything else so far. Though not done any real grouping yet so I don't entirely rule out using any in future.

GreySix

1-5 Addons

MrBeatDown wrote: »

Basically, this game was already hacked and cracked on pts, and they let it go live. That's why this game suffers from the bot problem and gold spammers that it has now.

From what I've read, the reason this game suffers from bot problems is that the client-side control design of ESO facilitates unauthorized hacks (vice authorized addons) for those seeking to sell gold to the many gold buyers.

And we can thank the number of gold-sinks in-game for the number of folks seeking to purchase gold.

Unless you're aware of addons that facilitate no-clip, flying, or subterranean travel.

KhajitFurTrader

I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)

I intentionally do not use addons, because I do not want to use addons. Simple as that.

If ZOS goes on to implement some of the more popular features of addons in the standard UI (which is the only legitimate reason to publish an API in the first place, in my opinion), I'm ok with that, as long as the ability to switch off anything I do not want to see remains. The less, the better. Immersion > all.

(Yeah, I'm kinda radical on this topic, when usually I'm not.)

Moon-and-Star

6-10 Addons

FTC, skyshard and lore book map add on, research helper, one that allows me to search guild store, Tamriel time, a guild add on my GM made, and undiscovered. Think there is a few others as well. But these are the ones I mostly use.

babylon

26+ Addons (I have a scroll bar in my Addon list)

Up to 57 at last count. Game almost works like an MMO with those.

Dayv

MrBeatDown wrote: »

I do not use or condone the use of addons. It opens this game up to too many problems, such as bots, has ks, dupes, etc. And it gives other players an unfair advantage over others. If the features that are developed outside of this game are so safe and good, Then they should be incorporated into the game, and not brought in from a 3rd party source. Basically, this game was already hacked and cracked on pts, and they let it go live. That's why this game suffers from the bot problem and gold spammers that it has now. This game does not have integrity. Its a free for all to who can develop the best hack and has even been granted permission to use at will in this game. Makes no sense. If your programs are so good, then zenimax should buy them from you or hire you so you can implement them in game. But letting everybody mod the hell out of this game at free will is counter productive. Send in your resume or fill out the application if you think you can improve this game. Don't ruin it for everyone else.

Zenimax obviously condone the use of addons and think it makes sense. And if an addon turns out to be really awesome, they may even add that feature to vanilla. Nobody forces you to use one.

Uviryth

16-20 Addons

I use about 15 at the moment, mainly because I love addons. They make my gamingexperience much more personalized.
Only with a user interface specially catered to me I can feel like home in an mmo.
Thats why I dont play mmo's who dont allow Addons.

TazerReloaded

26+ Addons (I have a scroll bar in my Addon list)

Addons have nothing to do with bots and hacks, there is a thing called memory injection which basically enables you to do whatever you want with the client, including running a bot, spamming mail, and so on. The Lua API has nothing to do with this.
Addons can only modify visuals and controls on the surface (user interface), no changes to the world, no interaction with the world. It's not possible to cast a spell with an addon or something like that.

But addons are useful as they can show you important information at one glance, like damage done, bag usage, buffs, timers, etc. which is still not provided (or hidden in messy menus) by the default interface.

In a dungeon for example when multiple buffs and effects are on your character and you cast damage over time spells, you have no idea:
- what effects are on your character at any given time
- what effects are active on your target/enemy
- when your effects (on yourself and your enemy) need to be refreshed
- when you need to take action to remove malicious effects from yourself
Sure, you can somehow guess from the light effects, but this will not lead to the efficiency needed to successfully complete a dungeon, or even beat multiple mobs in veteran areas some guys whine about in other threads.

driosketch

I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)

I'm srprised I'm asked to give a reason for not using add ons. It's the default state of the game. I didn't realize that made me a curiosity. I'm more astonished there are people using 26+, and that's not worthy of asking them to "please give reason". Huh?

Oh well, anyways, my reason is I don't like to spoil the natural state of the game as I play through it. Even with Oblivion and Skyrim I didn't use mods until I was beyond the questing phase and into the general screwing around phase of the game.

MrBeatDown

I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)

TazerReloaded wrote: »

Addons have nothing to do with bots and hacks, there is a thing called memory injection which basically enables you to do whatever you want with the client, including running a bot, spamming mail, and so on. The LUA API has nothing to do with this.
Addons can only modify visuals and controls on the surface (user interface), no changes to the world, no interaction with the world. It's not possible to cast a spell with an addon or something like that.

But addons are useful as they can show you important information at one glance, like damage done, bag usage, buffs, timers, etc. which is still not provided (or hidden in messy menus) by the default interface.

In a dungeon for example when multiple buffs and effects are on your character and you cast damage over time spells, you have no idea:
- what effects are on your character at any given time
- what effects are active on your target/enemy
- when your effects (on yourself and your enemy) need to be refreshed
- when you need to take action to remove malicious effects from yourself
Sure, you can somehow guess from the light effects, but this will not lead to the efficiency needed to successfully complete a dungeon, or even beat multiple mobs in veteran areas some guys whine about in other threads.

Addons could also be used as plugins for bots and hacks

dennissomb16_ESO

I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)

zgrssd wrote: »

dennissomb16_ESO wrote: »

[...]

I am sorry, but you knowledge is fundamentally wrong in the following parts:
Your first mistakle was mixing up Addons and Mods. Comparing them is like comparing a hungry T-Rex (Mods) to a housebroken dachshund (Addons).

Out of Date generally means nothing bad. Only it might not work anymore. So the game wants to make certain you know this might be a cause of problems.

There is no security risk. At tops we can set the Guild note and send a mail every 5 seconds - when you have the mail window open. I know only of one addon that uses it and it does so to send new ingame data to the Addon Programmer (like boss positions).

Addons cannot be used for botting. Every claim to the contrary is wrong. We can do almost nothing that requires only a single Mouse or Keypress. Inlcuding everything combat, movement and gathering related.
We can compress somethign that takes a lot of steps to fewer steps, but can rarely do the final step.

There is no unfair advantage with Addons. Everything Addons can do is explicitly allowed and made possible by Zenimax and thus been part of thier overall plan. If they think it would be unfair it they would switch one boolean value on the server and turn it off.

Sorry but I completely disagree. Ask blizzard after there massive lawsuit on the company that was selling an addon/mod that allowed players to essentially bot. Addons can allow this, the security risks remain no matter what you say. However what I was saying is the design to allow addons essentially allowing trust at the client end is what hackers are using to create their hacking programs
so far ESO has done a pretty good job of not allowing addons to give to much advantage, I agree with that, but so did so many other games in the beginning. time will tell

KerinKor

I intentionally do not use Addons (please give reason)

I don't use them because I got fed up using them in other games only for their authors to abandon them .. the only exception is Titan in WOW.

Also, all the other MMOs I play have very usable and complete UIs, ESO is the exception where the UI is barely the minimum needed to pay but I still won't use add-ons .. not least because of the ZAM add-on example (IIRC) which more than once has caused "Unknown Error" and other connection problems.